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Eddie Maddock: Kurt Gehlbach, Do hundreds more vehicles in Uptown make sense for the city of Sedona?

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock provides a forum for Sedona mayoral candidate, Kurt Gehlbach, to provide his perspective on the March 2020 City Council decision to approve the purchase of 430 Forest Road (Uptown) for over its appraised value, and encumbering more than $11 million in new debt for city taxpayers if projected tourism parking meter income fails to service the debt.

Sedona AZ – Although earth as an orb continues its normal rotation, global inhabitants have been thrown into an alien orbit which is NOT in outer space. The seriousness of the deadly coronavirus is reality in the truest form. Isn’t it somewhat stunning to become shell-shocked and forced to face the fact that mere mortals really don’t have a great deal of control?

However and in spite of the turmoil, it is an election year and survivors of the pandemic will have the privilege of casting votes in Sedona for candidates vying for Sedona Mayor and rotating seats on the Sedona City Council.

The two mayoral contenders remain Mayor Sandy Moriarty, opting for yet another term, and a new name on the slate, Kurt Gehlbach.

Because the coronavirus conflict quite likely will obstruct the opportunity for city council candidate forums prior to the primary vote in August, Mr. Gehlbach contacted me inquiring about the possibility for Sedona Eye to feature some information about him. Therefore, this resulting article has been derived solely from e-mail communication obliging the mandate for no private meetings, consultations, or even phone calls.

Mr. Gehlbach opted to focus on his own perspective relating to the city council’s recent approval at the council meeting on March 24, 2020:

  • AB 2570 Approval of a Resolution authorizing a Real Estate Purchase and Sale Agreement for the City of Sedona to purchase the property located at 430 Forest Road (APN 401-160-71) located in Coconino County, City of Sedona, Arizona, for the sum of $480,000 for use as a parking structure.

Due to recent global events creating such an upheaval and uncertain economic predictions, Kurt Gehlbach maintains this premise:

Sedona AZ uptown tourist traffic. The city plans to build parking garages for 500 additional vehicles in Uptown to encourage shopping. [Photo courtesy The Arizona Republic]

“The responsibility of Elected Officials is to the Residents of Sedona, and because of the uncertainty of serious implications with regards to the spread of the coronavirus predicted by the World Health Organization, it is the obligation of our Government to revisit with the residents with regards to any decisions made prior to the onset of Sedona’s devastating shutdowns.”

He continues: “With regards to real estate, I personally have 24 years as a licensed residential Real Estate Agent and Developer, always successful through every negotiation. Why? Experience, research, knowledge and always emotionally prepared to negotiate.

Considering all circumstances I would never move forward with the purchase of any property during an election year and certainly not when we know there’s the possibility for another financial recession.

When moving forward within favorable conditions I first request a current appraisal to be accomplished by the property owner. While waiting for the appraisal, I personally research all comparative properties in order to compare to the appraisal. When the appraisal comes in, I scrutinize the hell out of it making sure everything is accurate and up to date. When negotiations begin, I never offer appraised value, starting the negotiation below appraisal, especially when it’s a cash transaction.”

Questioning the wisdom of the city having paid $100,000 OVER appraised value at the recommendation of the city manager, Mr. Gehlbach stated:The people of Sedona have now been ripped off through pure ignorance!”

His conclusion is the city of Sedona has now set a precedent for any FUTURE land acquisitions to be overvalued, questioning the premise of “property is only worth what the Buyer is willing to pay.” Is that true when the investment was overpriced to begin with?

Regarding future Uptown parking, here’s what Kurt Gehlbach has to say:

A recent ADOT traffic study found the majority of Sedona tourist traffic backs up miles just to drive through the Sedona city limits without stopping before continuing along SR 89A to reach their northern destinations.

“$11.5 million to place 300 automobiles in the center of uptown, and that’s one of two parking structures, totaling roughly an additional 500 automobiles in Uptown Sedona. Add another $500,000 or more for the “ledge work” they will find digging down at least 2 floors or 30 feet (??)”

Kurt continues: “Not long ago our Mayor, Sandy Moriarty, was headstrong to be part of the Global Covenant of Mayors for Climate and Energy, designed to cut emissions, basically decreasing Sedona’s carbon footprint within the next three years. Does this make sense to anyone?”

Regarding Sedona residents, Kurt Gehlbach relates:

“Prior to lockdown, I spent days and many hours walking door to door throughout our city gathering 200 signatures myself while sharing in conversation.

The emotions are all over the place, and many of our residents are very angry. I’m truly, truly worried about the future of Sedona so I believe the conversation needs to be about Sedona herself and our residents, to include their mixed levels of anger toward this government. We, as a city, must now come together to create change through a government that will listen, respond, inform, create and prosper with and for the Residents of Sedona. How about grasping the opportunity for such a collaboration giving new life and hope for Sedona’s survival?”

End of input from city of Sedona mayoral candidate Kurt Gehlbach. Read, study, ask questions and by all means plan to vote in August. Life in Sedona continues and be grateful each and every day for what we have and consider by way of your own judgment what will be the best way to preserve and protect this special corner of the world.

Over and Out. Cheers. Be Safe. Stay Well.

336 Comments

  1. Mike Campbell says:

    There you go again (Deleted by Editor),

    Why don’t you tell us, as you seem to know all the details. Use your real name this time. You can sign it with “Hope this helps.”

  2. Paul, Sedona AZ says:

    Laugh me a riot !! New some is reopening California beginning this week and next and you are still screaming at Trump for reopening too soon and he said not to do it quite yet? You people are like Jonestown Dummies. Follow the Democrats to the death.

  3. Jess Wundrin says:

    Silence from mayoral candidate Kurt Gehlbach is deafening both vocal AND written. Is he busy working on a solution to the viral pandemic and/or proceeding with his plans to conform his park and ride traffic solution from the sewer plant? Or maybe the community garden out where the soil’s fertile? Just askin’ from Jess Wundrin.

  4. Mandy, Sedona says:

    Thanks “Jess Wundrin” for at least a moment to bring us back down to earth.

    My own wandering mind during this unforeseen confinement has drifted to “wundrin” what the heck is being manipulated and plotted behind the confines of Sedona City Hall and the gawd awful control of the freakin’ chamber of commerce? What the h… is the story behind their ability to dominate this city?

    Why did this city manager, Justin Clifton, take it upon himself to pledge them that control for the next eight years? It most assuredly can’t be because “they” brought in tourists. Sedona was discovered long before the C of C entered into the picture.

    Hopefully a good thing that might come out of this global disaster will be bringing a few people (staff & council members) to their knees realizing they aren’t the be all of Sedona’s survival. Quite possibly unless they change their ways they could very well be the “end all” of what Sedona has become! And, really, would that be so bad?

  5. Elaine says:

    Don’t plan on anything changing @Mandy, Sedona except possibly the big shots at city hall attempting to figure out ways to extract more money from residents. Or hadn’t you heard? We are constantly accused of not contributing anything to the tax base! Maybe we should all take our receipts, including for utilities, and highlight the amount of taxes “WE” do pay, and drop them off in the courtyard at City Hall?

    Don’t think for one moment the hot shots with the Chamber/Lodging Council aren’t already planning their next scam for nailing those in power to up their $2.5 million for next year’s hand-out to them. Need to keep that Chamber CEO well fed. Maybe $12,000/mo isn’t enough anymore?

    Nothing short of disincorporation will get their attention. But who will pay off all those bonds if that were to miraculously happen? We, the residents, of course would be assessed via Yavapai and Coconino Counties! No matter what, the residents are the losers. But those who voted for incorporation created the monster!

  6. Andrew & Sally says:

    Now is the hour – ballots have been mailed. The opportunity to vote for change is somewhat offered. Somewhat? But of course. Here in Sedona it’s generally only those who will represent the chamber of commerce and their members outside city limits who run for city council and/or mayor. However, at least there’s an opportunity to vote in a new mayor and then maybe begin a campaign for term limits?

    However, another option is presented here. That is the opportunity to write-in names. If for no other reason it’s a chance to express opposition to our current biased city employees and the majority of those on the council. Most of the candidates (with the exception of Kurt Gehlbach) remain with the same old, same old C of C support, allowing them to rule the roost. So don’t look for alarming changes – but – don’t miss out on voting disapproval by writing in names of people you think would do a better job at representing RESIDENTS. Let’s at least have some fun with this. There isn’t much else to laugh about these days.

  7. Kelsey says:

    No, do not write in names to “have fun” with the election. This will only result in Sandy Moriarty getting another term because she will have the most votes. This is not about “fun,” people. This is very serious. Although you may think that Kurt Gehlbach is not much of a change, the point is that electing him WILL send a message that we want change. Trust me, if you elect people who are not the incumbents, the message will be very clean that we are sick of the status quo.

    Even if you don’t agree with the new candidates’ positions, sending a message that we want change WILL be heard by those candidates. Also, importantly, it will encourage other potential candidates in the future that it is worth their while to run because they will see that they have a genuine chance to break the stranglehold of the chamber of commerce and Lodging Council and dishonest city manager on this town.

    Even if you don’t think Gehlbach and the other candidates are “change enough,” it is very important to send the message that we WANT CHANGE. You can complain all you want in the Sedona Eye but if you really want change, you MUST vote for it and be strategic, knowing that even one step in the direction of change counts. Wasting your vote writing in other names will only guarantee that we will get two more years of the status quo.

    Do not waste your vote “having fun.” If you truly want change, you must be smart and use the existing system to vote for the candidates who are not incumbents.

  8. Jerry Uptown says:

    @Kelsey maybe you are correct that writing in names on a ballot isn’t a good idea and/or much fun. However if anyone out there has been watching the city council meeting presently in progress (Channel 4) it will be confirmed. It’s the chamber of commerce calling the shots. That meeting should be available to watch. Check the City Web site if you don’t believe any of this.

    The Pres/CEO of “the Chamber” (regional) actually was identified as having sat with two City of Sedona Staff members at City Hall and decided next year’s budget (2020/2021). The local chamber of commerce has gone on record as representing ONLY their members. (that was back when Adams/Littrell/ AND current Vice Mayor John Martinez voted for this member driven group to receive millions of Sedona city $$$$ to promote ONLY their members.)

    The C of C is incorporated with the State of Arizona as non-profit!! That most assuredly does not define it as a department of incorporated Sedona as the membership organization is continued to be misrepresented by both city staff AND city council members!! (especially John Martinez who was active in allowing this dog and pony show to take center stage)

    To hell with Sedona residents. We’re only a thorn in the sides of the powers controlling City of Sedona City Hall. And most assuredly that is not a “FUN” place to be.

    Sedona Chamber of Commerce CEO/Pres – we did NOT vote for you and you do NOT and should NOT be in a position to represent or speak for US. A pox on all of you allowing this to continue. And, of course, no matter who is elected NOTHING will change because control is still held by the C of C and their ability to apparently call ALL shots within the confines of that (IMO) corrupt establishment.

  9. Sedona a Place of Beauty says:

    Say what you will about one candidate or the other for Mayor but one point that no one has touched on is that if Gehlback really thinks Sedona is a place of beauty why does he continue to put those campaign signs all over our highways? I get that individual homeowners wish to show support for “their candidate” but it’s clear to me that Gehlback has no individual supporters and has to resort to littering our highways with his signs. If you really care about Sedona why litter on her roads?

  10. Oh Happy Day! says:

    Walking in the rain! It’s true. The best things in life ARE free.

    Oh – for the record – IMO!

    E.S. Maddock

  11. Kirsten T. says:

    Just to show you how corrupt the city and Sedona’s chamber of commerce are, please take note that the city of Scottsdale has REDUCED the amount of funding they give to their marketing organization because of the reduction in both work and revenues generated by tourism. Furthermore … (in the words of the Scottsdale Independent newspaper) …

    Further, the destination marketing firm [Experience Scottsdale] has laid off 20% of its staff, and President and CEO Rachel Sacco reportedly took a pay cut as tourism revenue has slowed.

    Jennifer Wesselhoff, where is YOUR pay cut? City Manager, where is YOUR pay cut?

  12. Daniel T. says:

    Bottom line – some decisions will be made on Aug 4th. It should be interesting.

    Will Missy Mayor Sandy’s overextended authority to deny council vote on shuttering Sedona businesses make a difference? Will Sedona VOTERS continue to support the financial give-away to the unmentionable controlling force ruining our quality life?

    My bet goes to Mother Nature & Karma – running on the same ticket! THEY are the ones in control! But for sure the dip snots @ City Hall better not come up with some BS scheme to come after residents for financial bail out for their ongoing selfish, prejudice, unjustified, wasteful priorities.

    Losers ALL of you (IMO).

  13. @Daniel T says:

    Let’s see who’s the loser are in the August Primary. My prediction; everyone supported on this site will all be crying in your coffee cakes. But, you won’t really surprised will you?

  14. Mike Campbell says:

    Nothing will change. The residents did not provide any candidates for change.

    The other thing you miss is this is not a city that serves the residents. It is a jobs program and a scam. Like all government jobs programs a lot of money is spent and not much gets done.

    Voter indifference, you have to be active, not just vote, allowed greed to turn Sedona into a tourist trap.

  15. Daniel T. says:

    Of course @Daniel T – you are correct with your prediction that even after the election nothing will change. Of those vying for office – re-election or new candidates, the majority will represent the status quo of the chamber of commerce cheering squad. To hell with residents. So thumb your nose and say “told you so.” Old news and boring at that.

    However . . . it might be interesting to wait and see what the financial loss to the Sedona City lottery will reveal because of COVID-19. Any winners there except, perhaps, Sedona residents?

    Tears may be shed all right, but who will be doing the crying?

  16. Steve Segners says:

    Daniel T. says: you are correct with your prediction that even after the election nothing will change.
    If the residents of Sedona re-elect Sandy and the new slate of woman then that” is the will of the people”. The new city council will run the city. you say To hell with residents no just to some. Majority rules. The majority are very happy with Sedona management and marketing

  17. Steve segner says:

    The election that is going on right now will be a referendum of support of policies and management of sedona, if people want change let’s see what happens with this election.

  18. Larry W. says:

    And how do you suppose the grabbers & takers (opportunists) will compensate for the loss of tax revenue which goes to support the “regional” chamber of commerce?

    Some things might be forced to change and for the good. Yes – the COVID-19 message being sent is from outside the control of you greed mongers who have exploited and over abused the best of Sedona = THE RED ROCK FORMATIONS.

    DUH! (apparently)

  19. Naria, West Sedona says:

    Shake it up electors
    Stop being idiots
    Masks aren’t gods
    Sedona city council needs change
    Sedona city staff needs thinning
    Sedona chamber has never been proworker
    Say no to cheap tourism gimmicks and get our good life back.

  20. @Naria says:

    Oh come on, give it up. You soundly lost 2 years ago and you’re going to soundly lose this year as well. Just get used to the fact that people may be buying (deleted by editor) but no one is buying your politics.

  21. Diandra, Flagstaff AZ says:

    If Black Lives Matter than every Democrat must stay home and not mail in a ballot and not be seen casting ballots for Democrats at Any level. Send a nationwide message to the national party that Democrats won’t accept any of the current candidates of racists on Arizona ballots until the current Democrats are defeated and new ones come around next election . . Democrats have destroyed this country with REGRESSIVE POLITICS and white supremacist candidate Biden saying if you don’t vote for him you ain’t black shows who and what you Democrats support really. Democrats stay home.

  22. Jerry Uptown says:

    It doesn’t make any difference who is elected to City Council. If Mayor Sandy is re-elected we won’t even need them. In fact what good are they now?

    The mayor and city manager had already written and rubber stamped the proper legal document prior to the last city council meeting. It had to do with the decision about COVID-19. No council vote needed there! A new precedent has been set and as long as it’s “Mayor Sandy” none of the rest matter (her & Justin) that is. Well maybe toss in the City Attorney to keep them legit!?

  23. Penny says:

    Dreadful is the new phony Sedona.

  24. Lance Johnson says:

    Has anyone else noticed the condition of city streets/roads in subdivisions? In a word UGLY! What a shame. They continue to choke the charm out of Sedona’s beautiful red rock scenery. What’s become of Keep Sedona Beautiful? At one time they would be out lobbying against this disgusting mess! Isn’t dreadful @Penny being way too kind?

  25. Shelby Drive says:

    Do 100s more cars make sense ? NO NADA NO MAS

    Give us back the money you take away from our infrastructure.

  26. Talia says:

    “A new precedent has been set and as long as it’s “Mayor Sandy” none of the rest matter (her & Justin) that is. Well maybe toss in the City Attorney to keep them legit!?”

    Jerry of Uptown, you are correct. It is interesting that Justin fired the new assistant city attorney who had the courage to tell him that many city practices are improper. It is also interesting imo that the new city attorney was hired from the city of Glendale, which has a long history of corruption that spanned many years and many departments. Google it.

  27. H. R. Field says:

    I googled like you suggested. Its appalling at what was there about Glendale. It does frighten me and should you to think Sedona may have the same problems as them. How do we find out and how do we make sure it damn well doesn’t happen here or hasn’t. Maybe the council will address this during a meeting?

  28. Marie, Airport Mesa says:

    More new faces ????!!!!

  29. Carol says:

    Honestly doesn’t get somebody elected. Back room politics do. It’s Sedona!

  30. Rob says:

    These are people with an agenda to defund the police, destroy federal property by allowing illegals to move in without obeying our laws and destroying our parks and towns and homes, take our money and leave us poor by funding their friends and cronies and not building our infrastructure and raise our taxes. If you vote for any 2020 democrat candidate you are effing stupid. You do remember the Biden that Obama wouldn’t back when he left office? Sure you do.

  31. Bill, VOCA says:

    opened mail screaming STOP TRUMPS STORM TROOPERS , for Godssake who believes this (deleted by editor) (deleted by editor) except some dumbass , they’re (deleted by editor) crazy (deleted by editor) mothers run around by noserings by refusing to see Biden and his group want back in power (deleted by editor) to get back power they lost, stupid (deleted by editor) & (deleted by editor) no no no Portland isnt peaceful , look on social media dumbasses & turn off TV that’s lying , disgusted now &done with rant & dont think you’ll print this LMAO & vote for Kirt btw decent man trying should get a chance

  32. Gary says:

    Biden is a cretin. Kamala Harris isn’t worth mentioning, she’s there only for color and gender commentary, not because she’s qualified. Two unqualified people shouldn’t be running a local chamber of commerce let alone a country. But then fellow cretins always vote for each other.

  33. Jason Williams says:

    What’s become of Keep Sedona Beautiful asks Lance Johnson? You can thank Barbara Littrel, former KSB president and member of city council for initiating changes that wiped out KSB effectiveness.

    Yep Babs started by getting rid of KSB Board of Directors – changed them to Trustees. Then she did even more damage while on council. Was instrumental in forming citizen engagement groups (ended previous efforts for transparency)

    She and former mayor Rob Adams (who was recently one of the KSB Board of Directors) were the rah-rah cheerleaders to begin the give-away of power, control, AND city revenue to a regional chamber of commerce. KSB really lost it when THEY lent support to the C of C using fright lights on the red rocks during the holidays! Way to go, dopes! Ruined a really good organization. The founders of KSB must surely be turning over in their graves.

    But of course, like many who served(?) Sedona in the past, B. Littrel was last reported as living outside Sedona city limits. They do their damage and move on.

    Please, the time for change is NOW.

  34. Pauline, Sedona says:

    Bet you using vote by mail that city council people Get high numbers! That’s the way they get them. Buddy up.

  35. Peter N. says:

    John Martinez (current city councilor & vice mayor) should be included with Barbara Littrell & Rob Adams as a cheerleader for that chamber deal. In fact Martinez could well have served as head of the pack? Martinez is finally stepping down but isn’t immortalizing that undeserving CoC a wonderful legacy . . . to be carried on by the current (latest in a long line) of city managers as long as he’s paid to continue the dirty work?!?!

    Folks . . who’s elected mayor and or council members won’t matter! IMO a city manager has unjustifiably “taken control” over and above elected officials & the residents who voted for them. WTF. Let’s see some job descriptions here & let’s see some true governance!? Why are we voting for anyone when unelected “others” might be calling the shots?! Just asking? Just trying to protect my Democracy and my rights as I see it.

  36. Not Pauline, Sedona says:

    One can only hope.

  37. Michele, Sedona says:

    @not Pauline Sedona.

    You’re why voting by mail is a corrupt act. If you deliver the votes or if you count the votes I DONT TRUST YOU with my vote. I trust ME. If I can’t get there, then I’ll ask for an absentee ballot but you in Sedona or Arizona don’t get to intercept or change MY vote. Because you would if you thought nobody would catch you.

  38. Hey Michelle says:

    There’s no difference between an absentee ballot or a mail in ballot you actually mail in absentee ballotS duh..

  39. Freddy’s got downtime says:

    @heymichelle if there’s no difference, dumbest, than use an absentee ballot and leave the rest of us that give a damn to vote to go and do it. Maybe you’d have to postpone shopping at Walmart but the rest of us manage to be there to vote or use an absentee ballot arranged at our convenience with the Board of Elections MONTHS if not YEARS ahead of time like When we REGISTERED to get our drivers licenses. HOW FREAKING HARD is it to do that, dumbest.

    Hey Michelle aka Dumbest, nobody’s demanding getting their first drivers licenses by mail because we ALL can manage to get to the DMV even when we don’t drive or have a car. IT WAS NOT A PROBLEM getting to the DMV for my license because I wanted it. Hey Dumbest, try wanting to vote and you’ll get there in person or send in that absentee ballot. The absentee ballot that shows you are a citizen making an effort.

    There are free rides to the polls everywhere in the US. Hey Dumbest why don’t you offer people rides? Get your friends to do it too. Problem solved.

    I love the post office but the Obama administration derailed it with its heavy handed government regs that made it a bureaucratic top heavy nightmare rather than the amazing local post office descendent of the pony express.

    It’s laughable to hear the Democrats crying about the post office when they closed our VOC one and others and demanded more centralized government control. Trump is right about the post office. Give them back to the people and their towns and let those local postal workers soar again. Obama’s admin had postal workers killing each other and dumping mail in ditches rather than delivering it to keep their federal masters oversight happy. I never had a letter not get delivered that I sent until the Obama administration interference. Last month I put the same address on a To From letter to a relative And it was returned to the From with a yellow sticker that said Undeliverable to address/return to sender. My postwoman of years ago would have delivered that letter correctly but she quit in 2014 after decades of service because of the changes that didn’t allow her to do her job efficiently. Obama screwed the post office not Trump.

  40. Moon Ranch says:

    This voter cares. No mail ballots except absentee.

  41. Chris & Denise says:

    People think Biden’s pro union and other kinds of old stuff that doesn’t matter now. New day. I’m college educated registered Democrat and voting Trump 2020. He might be an ass**** but LBJ was a worse ass**** and Bill Clinton was disgusting like Hilary. Democrats are a big fail this election, even worse are the local candidates. Pennsylvania has registered 4 times as many Republicans since Trump lifted the state out of its cesspool created by Democrats. We need Trump. We don’t need Biden and Democrats to promise us what trumps already done.

  42. @Freddys says:

    Oh my how you little mind is clouded with Conspiracy theories and other nonsense that you read on the web!!!. By the way it’s the Republicans that hate the Postal Service or anything that gives pensions to his workers.

  43. Tic-tac-toe Van Pelt says:

    a Biden piece of (deleted by editor) speaks

  44. @chris and denise says:

    When you go to college!? In the 1940s. Is that why you responded with you and your mate as a handle. LOL

  45. Crazy people says:

    You people are nothing but a bunch of Conspiracy theory complainers Crybabies.
    You sound like Trump as of late….. he’s already making excuses for his upcoming loss already(it can’t be him and his Policies) It must be mail in ballots blah blah blah or How about let’s change the election date. . Just accept your a Minority here alsoYou’re on the losing side of every argument

  46. Absentee Ballot Rules says:

    If you meet this absentee ballot criteria, register to vote now. You can do it online at http://www.vote.org today.

    To register in Arizona you must:
    be a citizen of the United States;
    be a resident of Arizona and your county at least 29 days preceding the next election;
    be 18 years old on or before the next general election;
    be able to write your name or mark, unless prevented from so doing by physical disability;
    not have been convicted of treason or a felony (or have had your civil rights restored); and
    not currently be declared an incapacitated person by a court of law.

    When you vote an absentee ballot:

    If you’re not voting for the first time in Arizona, you don’t need to provide ID to vote by mail.

    If you’re a first time Arizona voter who registered by mail and you didn’t provide ID when you registered, you’ll need to provide a photocopy of one of the following forms of ID along with your mail ballot:

    A copy of a current photo ID showing your name and photograph
    A copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and address.

  47. @moon ranch says:

    You do realize that you actually MAIL IN Absentee ballots right.
    DUH once again

  48. Hal says:

    That’s why they want mail in, it’s easy to scam.

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