SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock reports on the Sedona closed to the public March 24, 2020 City Council Meeting.
Sedona AZ – Due to the prevailing COVID-19 pandemic mandate requiring individuals to remain socially distanced by at least ten feet, the Sedona City Council meeting on March 24, 2020 was, perhaps as an understatement, peculiar if not downright eerie. In center seat at the dais as usual was Mayor Sandy Moriarty flanked by City Councilwoman Jessica Williams in her typical end seat far to the Mayor’s left and Councilman John Currivan seated at the opposite end. Vice Mayor John Martinez and remaining Council members, Bill Chisholm and Scott Jablow, were strategically located in seats generally occupied by Sedona residents. At the onset of the meeting Mayor Moriarty acknowledged that in conforming to the proclamation of March 18, 2020, this City Council Meeting would not be open to the public in compliance with Coronavirus restrictions.
In order to address some public concerns, Councilman Currivan made the request for more discussion relating to consent agenda AB 2570 – Approval of a Resolution authorizing a Real Estate Purchase and Sale Agreement for the City of Sedona to purchase the property located at 430 Forest Road (APN 401-160-71) located in Coconino County, City of Sedona, Arizona, for the sum of $480,000 for use as a parking structure. Specifically he cited concerns relating to a possible scope of unknown results, particularly with regard to the potential for economic decline and even a recession.
With current lodging occupancy dropping 70% to 75%, essentially shuttered restaurants except for takeout or delivery and other businesses slipping toward the brink of closing and, with Sedona’s primary source of revenue, its sales tax obviously in jeopardy, wasn’t Councilman Currivan’s question exceptionally timely and appropriate?
City Manager Justin Clifford, however, offered assurance that necessary funds could safely be transferred from Uptown parking meter proceeds and purchasing the property at this time would preserve the ability to maintain progress on a long term project: Providing Sedona with a much needed parking structure.
Sedona AZ Forest Road viewpoint – Exclusive SedonaEye.com photo credit Eddie S. Maddock 2019
A stipulation in the 430 Forest Road Real Estate Purchase and Sale Agreement between the City of Sedona, Buyer, and Daniel E. Saunders, Trustee of the Daniel Saunders Revocable Trust, Seller, included agreement that no commissions shall be paid and Buyer (City) agrees to leaseback the Property to Seller at no cost for a period of up to nine (9) months from the date of the Agreement. Both parties agreed to employ Empire West Title Company as the Escrow, and enhanced the affirmation that neither party has contracted with, retained or otherwise employed a real estate broker relative to this Agreement.
Motion to approve was unanimous by Sedona City Council.
Therefore, the second of two transactions to create an Uptown parking facility is now in progress. The first, of course, is the land presently owned by the Sedona Chamber of Commerce, allegedly to be deeded to the City of Sedona at some future date.
Is that not a catchy phrase? “At some future date” who will be seated on the Sedona City Council? Who will be the City Manager? Sedona has been advertising for another City Attorney, and likewise there will be a turnover of other staff members.
Will this well-meaning transaction ultimately be justified, or down the road stifled with redirection for purposes unrelated to the stated cause for which it was purchased?
Or eventually will that questionable acquisition slip through the cracks and become a permanent, but unwarranted asset of a Chamber of Commerce, obligated to serve only their members, many outside Sedona City Limits and not contributing to the city tax base.
But most of all, when and if Sedona merchants including the lodging industry fail to produce adequate revenue to maintain even the barest essentials at City Hall, what will be the source of funding?
Sedona residents sit back and consume a breath of fresh air and sigh with relief. We do NOT have a Sedona property tax. You see in the darkest of times there is always something for which to be grateful, and in Sedona one really needn’t look too far.
I am not without a bit of sympathy for Ms. Wesselhoff, who has been the object of a lot of vitriol in this community.
But there is a reason for all that hate and anger, and she needs to own her share of it. So does the Lodging Council, and the mayor and the city manager.
For years … years! … the people in this community have been telling the chamber of commerce and the city to change the way they do business and to change their unhealthy, dishonest funding relationship. And for years the residents have been completely ignored. The city and chamber never once made an honest attempt to address our concerns about over tourism, or even to honestly listen to us to truly understand what our concerns are. We were dismissed as a minority group of complainers but we are not. We have real, legitimate concerns about the way the chamber operates, how public money is spent and accounted for (or not), and the absurd over-investment in tourism and the very negative impacts it brings.
For the CEO and the chamber, and the city council that didn’t have the time to invest in hearing our thoughts or really thinking about the situation (with one exception, thank you, John C., even though you were always insulted by the mayor when you tried to bring it up in a city council meeting).
It was only in the past year or so that the city manager, in an attempt at smoke and mirrors to turn down the heat, forced the chamber CEO to start the phony “sustainable tourism” effort. Which was and remains a PR ploy and nothing more. So obviously. While we were asking the city and the chamber to STOP and RETHINK the constant push for more tourists and more money given to the Lodging Council, they were giving us the Straw Free initiative. WTF. You should have taken out a full page ad in the Red Rock News with a photo that just showed you giving us the finger. Really. It would have saved a lot of time and the taxpayer money you spent on the consultants who conducted the “study.”
Even now, a certain member of the Lodging Council continually uses this forum to brag about how the council candidates still support the chamber and to be rude to people. Why don’t you try listening instead and considering the possibility that there is more in this world that is important besides your desire for ever increasing profits?
The people who are so angry at our city government and at the CEO of the chamber are not against all tourism! We understand that it is an important part of our economy. It should not be the biggest part of our economy, though. It shouldn’t even be half of our economy. What we are against is tourism to the exclusion of all else, and the foolish mismanagement of our money in a manner that entirely ignores the wishes of a majority of the residents. And, yes, those bed tax revenues are OUR public monies, not the Lodging Council’s. They are public funds and they belong to us. Even though some of those funds must be spent on tourism marketing under law, there’s a whole world of how you can “market” besides simply handing over millions of dollars to your buddies on the Lodging Council and constantly pushing for more, more, more people to come to Sedona.
The reason that community unhappiness with the city turned into hate over the years is because the city council, chamber CEO and city manager have ignored our voices for years. And dismissed us as complainers. They have done so with arrogance, dismissing us as kooks.
Well, half the people in this town are now kooks who no longer support the mayor, chamber or city manager.
I voted for Home Rule in the last election but I will not vote for it in the next election. I am so tired of having my voice ignored. I hate to think that the only way I can get someone’s attention is with a sledgehammer, but sometimes that is the only way.
Read the newspaper, I know I know no one likes the paper but everyone subscribes to it. The Chamber doesn’t look to attract day trippers. Talk about “Fake News”
Declining population GO TALK TO DUCEY and the owners of Short Term Rentals. How is that a city issue?
Resident sewer connections – So you’d rather pay a sewer fee??
Excessive city government staff – Why do you care? their salaries are paid by sales tax not a property tax. I could care less.
You really need to get a life or move to a place that is more aligned with your views like Cornville.
Declining school enrollment, not a good place for famalies – Go talk to Ducey
Checkmate
“Once they’re in power, narcissists consolidate their position by firing everyone who challenges them. In their place rise a plague of toadies, opportunists, and enablers equally guided by self-interest and short on scruples. So you end up with these individualistic cultures with no teamwork and low integrity.”
Sounds like Sedona City management.
Here’s why says: Even though some of those funds must be spent on tourism marketing under law, there’s a whole world of how you can “market” besides simply handing over millions of dollars to your buddies on the Lodging Council and constantly pushing for more, more, more people to come to Sedona.
Here’s why says why cant you use a real name ? oh because we know who it is!
Sorry you are wrong, the lodging council gets no money from the city or the chamber. The chamber’s duty is to promote a business that is their job the chamber is funded by membership and the membership run the chamber.
The city of Sedona take some bed tax monies and has the visitor bureau handle marketing at the direction of the city council who are elected officials. 80% of the revenue comes from sales and bed tax. So city money is spent by the city.Hope that helps Steve
BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!!
We need you to run for city council or mayor. Or have you??
HOPE SO!!!
No we don’t need you to run. We need to toss you all out and find peace in the Verde.
“80% of the revenue comes from sales and bed tax” @steve Segner says. And don’t you understand that residents also contribute to that sales tax? In addition a portion of the property tax we pay to respective counties also comes back to the “city” for services such as flood control.
And please keep in mind, although Sedona was already a tourist attraction prior to incorporating and becoming a “city” it was RESIDENTS (not TOURISTS) that foolishly approved incorporation. Likewise it is RESIDENTS who elect our mayor and other city council members – again not the TOURISTS.
Therefore the residents should be (“should” being the operative word) who are entitled to demand better services (infrastructure such as roads) from city council. Instead we are being governed by a “regional” chamber of commerce who promote only their members, whether or not they collect Sedona City taxes. (And to hell with those businesses who choose to not be members.) We make a point to search out those non-members and spend our tax money with them.
If but for about 24 lousy votes wouldn’t there have been a run-off for mayor? Had the fellow with the his knees bared by torn jeans not run as a write -in the outcome could very well have been different. Wasn’t that also the case two years ago when the foolish group brought in their own third-party candidate for mayor, thus assuring the re-election of Sandy M?
Yes, it’s the residents who vote for and elect the city council and NOT tourists, Mr. Segner. Hope that helps.
We stand corrected regarding a potential runoff for Mayor:
“(67 votes above threshold to avoid a runoff)”
Sedona give me a break all fake and phoney city hall & we are needing corporate restaurants tossed out so we can survive. This council signs our death warrant here for small businesses with every decision. (Deleted by editor)
Danny says:We are needing corporate restaurants tossed out so we can survive. Danny that would be Mc Donalds. All other restaurants are owner operators or small local business people.
Danny You also say This council signs our death warrant here for small businesses with EVERY decision, just what would they be? Every Decision please list must be quite a long list.
Unless we overlooked it, having read through the comments we see no mention of individuals who actually reside outside Sedona but falsely use the address of a business or other property holdings inside City Limits as way to maintain voting privileges. You see – there ARE
You see – there ARE ways and methods available to manipulate the system!! Be creative! RIGHT?
So what corporate restaurants would that be?….Burger King gone…Whats left Subway, McDonald’s, and Chipotle?
You people find blame in the strangest places!
The reason I moved is probably the same reason Jennefer Wesselhoff (sp) is moving. The traffic is terrible, the character of Sedona has changed for the worse and city hall is out of control and run by pompous idiots. A big difference is she was part of the cause, and I was trying to fix it.
I think we both saw it was not going to change in the near term, like our lifetimes, so moving was the best choice.
If you want to TRY and change Sedona, run for city council NOW. Have a complete slate ready for the next election. As the anonymous idiots that post on here like to remind me, I could not change anything by myself. It takes a MAJORITY of city council. Getting people to take the abuse of running for city council was like pulling teeth.
An easier and more effective course of action is shutting the City of Sedona down. The bond holders will be out of luck. It’s the risk they took one they bought the bonds.
It can be done.
I believe too few are willing to put in the work. I saw it first hand.
“Energy in the executive is a leading character in the definition of good government. It is essential to the protection of the community against foreign attacks; it is not less essential to the steady administration of the laws; to the protection of property against those irregular and high-handed combinations which sometimes interrupt the ordinary course of justice; to the security of liberty against the enterprises and assaults of ambition, of faction, and of anarchy.” —Alexander Hamilton (1788)
I recall when promises were made by Adams and all to protect the citizens best interests and it was that same council group that sold us down the special interest tourist road.
” the same reason Jennefer Wesselhoff (sp) is moving. The traffic is terrible, the character of Sedona has changed for the worse and city hall is out of control and run by pompous idiots.” @Tony Tonsich.
Well, from Guess What? Park City is exactly the same as Sedona – and therefore Jen should fit right in and even help to make it worse.
And how would we know? Because we are from Utah and remember how Park City once was – same as Sedona old-timers can reflect back on the good old days – prior to exploitation and infiltration by opportunists and greed mongers. Their only mission in life is to rape, pillage the earth, and then move on because they’ve created the same mess that existed back where they once lived.
Your neighbors on Hillside Dr really do appreciate that you moved to Cornville, talk about bullying. OMG
@Thank you Tonsich, your comment is transparent but do you speak for ALL “neighbors” on Hillside Drive? NOT! Get a life.
Mr. Tonsich had a very good chance of being elected up until the time disturbing intruders from mostly outside Sedona City Limits brought in their third candidate for mayor. That same gang of ill conceived planning did the same thing with the election for fire department board of directors a few years ago. Didn’t they manage to get “their” people elected only to witness them later recalled?
Brilliant? Again NOT!
Cowards. Use your real name, or keep your pie-hole shut! So typical.
There are neighbors who wish Tony stayed on too. There are neighbors who voted for him. I only know of one disgruntled and verbal neighbors. Isn’t it fascinating that Tony still makes waves because he had the courage to achieve and stand up? Every neighbor and voter in Sedona was lucky to be given a choice. Stop with the roughshod language and belligerent speech. Thank you Tony. You are a fine example of American courage and civic duty.
MD is right. Plus if I get one more lying email shouting that Trump is destroying post offices etc I’ll throw the damn computer at the DORR headquarters. IT IS A LIE and you keep throwing it against the wall to see if the (deleted by editor) sticks for the morons. It was Pres Obama and VP Biden that took our post office and cut its hours and decided we didn’t need it in VOCA. Shut up already because you lost my vote when Joe and Kamala slithered to be our leaders. Marching to the basement one by one isn’t where my vote goes.
@MShobert and others who object to the policy set forth by the publisher/editor of Sedona Eye, (not requiring verified names of those making comments), why do you waste your time then even looking at the web-site? Better yet, why not start your own on-line publication(s) and do it the way you prefer?
I am so sorry the truth hurts….But I have a suggestion for you….Talk to your mail carrier, they will tell you right to your face the BS thats being pulled on them..
Last week the post office sent a semitrailer with packages for the first time ever…and why would they do that?…Because our post office doesn’t even have a dock or room for that truck….Everyone had to move their cars just so it could maneuver and get out….Oh yea…The truck had to be hand unloaded and it took hours….No games their right?
Anything to hurt the USPS, just like how they are forced to have healthcare and pensions set aside for 75 years of employees!….So a child born today that will work for the post office is getting its pension set aside…Tell me what company is forced to do that?…Thats right it was the GOP under Bush 43 did that just to squeeze them even harder!
Who should care that the post office is in the constitution right?….It is now a useless piece of paper because of people like you!
@Legitimate Sedona Voters: Are you referring to the former L.A. dog food salesman who lives in Oak Creek Canyon yet uses a business address in Sedona to vote?
Come on Tony, what others did or didn’t do to derail your supposed “campaign” has nothing to do with your bullying your Hillside neighbors. So, we’re still happy to see you in Cornville along with your “banner” that no longer hangs from your railing.
Scientists say Hong Kong man was infected a second time.
If that line doesn’t scare you all shitless than consider you’ve lost the war that China started.
Right – you’re such useless sacks of voters because you’re voting for Biden and Harris. Not because those two or their financial supporters think America is better than any place else to be free, but because you want to make sure it isn’t. That’s why you are anti Trumpers. You want the government to fail and become communist. By the way Berners, there is no Democratic Socialism – it’s any oxymoron. Look it up stupids.
Obama with Biden pushed it and nearly destroyed our economy. How’s that dogma been working out for you sheeple? You’re death is likely next in the Chinese virus war and if not this time, the next time. They’ve got a billion people to feed. How many can you each feed from the piece of property you live on? Yourself? Your wife or your children? Maybe one child but you’ve got three (choose one Sophie). Old people go first which is happening with this engineered virus. Is that you or your neighbor?
The Postal Service is an essential government service, and will remain open wherever possible.
I didn’t say it, it’s on the Sedona post office website.
@caolina WTF?! Shocker report !! whomever MAILED those packages in the BIG TRUCK CREATED the mail. BTW It’s the post office JOB to DELIVER it.
Rain or shine.
That’s WHY the post office was given the right to be a MONOPOLY with zero competition. Learn your history. It was to protect the integrity and delivery of mail.
BTW That post office was built during Bush administration. Good thing it has jobs now. Every time an order goes online during this PANDEMIC it creates a need. For a truck or a plane or a train to deliver it. And SO WHAT that they had to move cars and unload it by hand? The beverage distributor at Whole Foods does that. To suggest that somebody in DC thought up an EVIL PLOT to hire a truck to deliver mail to destroy SEDONA residents post office and mail service has this office laughing. Maybe we should be messaged that Sedona can’t handle thousands of voting ballots in boxes . . . Because Was that a practice run?
I read in paper a man said his family came from cotton to Congress in a lifetime and he said Republicans paved the way. My family knows this truth.
Subject of article “To Buy or Not to Buy” has sort of gone by the wayside here. Back to local news!
It was City of Sedona that created the HUGE MESS on 179! It’s gone on for months and months now, and most recently was the cause of a huge spill of raw sewage into Oak Creek.
Well, as difficult as it is to maneuver that construction zone, the latest “skinny” is a movement to have little children draw and post signs along that already cluttered and dangerous construction area.
Really? (one might ask) Oh yea, just what will help an already existing disaster. OMG! Surely this must be a joke.
However, prior to pursuing such nonsense those with such a brilliant(?) idea might take into consideration that SR179 is a STATE HIGHWAY and impose their own strict sign code – and NOT these local yokes at City Hall. Surely higher powers above those who control Sedona most assuredly wouldn’t consider such an absurd idea! Or would they? Doubt it!
Also, where oh where is Keep Sedona Beautiful these days? Have they evaporated into thin air since their ridiculous decision to support the previous Christmas (oops – “Holiday”) Bambi & Friends laser frights lights sponsored by the destructive chamber of commerce just a few years ago?
Kiddie signs in a construction zone on a State Highway! Just when ya think ya think heard them all. OMG!
Note to council – no one comes for children’s art but they do come to view the wide open beauty of red rocks. Let the school have an exhibit indoors or on their grounds. If people want to see their child’s art they can go to see it. I personally don’t recall any buzz about a local child prodigy’s work that supplants the rocks. Enough already with your arrogant lowbrow stupidity at city hall.
About that 179 boondoggle. What’s surprising is those stores at Hillside haven’t come together and sued the socks off the “city” for damages – loss of business – caused by diminished ingress and egress to those shops. It seems ripe for a good attorney to pluck the feathers from the stoopids at city hall. It could have been the demise of Sedona as a “city.” Missed opportunity? Of course, it still isn’t too late.
Voter Fraud: Man Arrested in L.A. for Voting 3 Times as His Dead Mother – LA Headline yesterday. One more in the Trump column.
Give me a break! Kids art?! What is this rationale? Is it to give Nanci a job ?! Keep
her and spare us the ugly roadside yahoos.
my idea of juvenile roadside artwork are fistS with middle finger extended like this (deleted by editor) and don’t forget paint BLM on 179 &89a at city limits that guarantees to end all tourists visits
Sedona needs to dissolve all Chamber connection. The economy won’t correct itself if the Democrats get in and Sedona is all about getting Democrats in whether they ruin the City, state, country. We might recall what it means to breathe fresh air and walk paths without being forced aside for rude interlopers. Since Joe will govern in a mask and from the WH basement, it will be a long 4 years of mushroom farming.
Mike Osmond is correct – Sedona (incorporated city portion) needs to dissolve ALL Chamber connections.
By admission the “chamber” promotes ONLY their dues paying members, many if not most are NOT within Sedona City Limits and do NOT, therefore, collect city sales tax! The BS about those freeloaders bringing in “city” shoppers has NEVER been proven.
The most that can be confirmed is the increase in miles and miles of cars and backed-up traffic from daytrippers on a scenic(?) drive. If one can tolerate sniffing exhaust fumes.
The “chamber” survived on their membership funding long before Sedona incorporated so let them do so again. Time to sink or swim? “City of Sedona” might just be in the same boat if tax revenue has dropped because of COVID-19.
Don’t look for a bailout from Sedona residents, either.
It may be time to shutter City Hall and return Sedona to its rightful purpose. Respect for the land; no more commercialization; and reject increased density development for ANY reason.
Between taxes and decidedly less quality of life to justify home values, some of us bailed.
Got a love it…Just so enjoy listening to all the same old tired some rants. I especially love the creativity of the fake names by the same fo five people!! But if you put that talent to work on the city Council things I might actually change. But I guess ranting and complaining are more enjoyable for y’all.
To Melanie Jameson:
I moved here in 2005 and Sedona was already a tourist town. I knew that before I moved here and knew it when I moved here. I may live outside of the city but I now have 5 vacation rentals in the city bounferies that I watch like a mother hen to insure that my neighbors are respected and my property is kept pristine. I pay nothing to the chamber and yet many of my guests find our city and ultimately my properties because of the chamber. I guess that if I felt like you, I would either have not moved here or pack up my things and moved someplace that made me happier.
One point that the naysayers of the chamber fail to ever mention is that without tourism I may have to pay a city property tax on all of my properties. I guess that the city has to be funded somehow.
Not one of 5 but hey I have more friends than that so here’s my view of that ignorant property tax comment. We would vote to lose the tourists before we would vote for a property tax. We aren’t benefactors of tourism but those of you in the chamber are and the lodging council and most of you don’t live here full time. Hit the road bozos. Close the slack jacks.
Wonder why those who are so defensive of the chamber of commerce fail to admit it has NOTHING (or “should have nothing”) to do with city government? It’s a private, non-profit (allegedly) organization driven by members. The also alleged “official” Sedona City Visitors Center is earmarked as that of the Sedona Chamber of Commerce and (most recently) Tourism Bureau. (but of course it’s financed with city revenue)
As for Sedona city property taxes, why do you suppose voters finally, after other failed attempts to incorporate, eventually approved incorporation? It was only after the concept of NO CITY PROPERTY TAXES that it happened. And, therefore, in order to impose “city property taxes” it would necessitate becoming a ballot issue. DUH!! In the meantime, city sales tax continues to rise. Half percent increase (again) is presently on the table. But then our city staff spends a lot of time researching ways to get their mitts on “grants” (free money?)
Not so fast, those grants presently under consideration are connected with stuff like a transit fleet, and establishing a new position at city hall for a Transit Administrator, salary offered is $90,000 – $110,000 annually!
And this, big surprise, comes with the questionable implication this new amenity will benefit “regional” needs at the expense of City of Sedona.
No wonder folks up Oak Creek Canyon, Flagstaff, Cottonwood, Jerome, and even Camp Verde love Sedona chimp-chumps! Sedona foots the bill, brings in even more traffic to Sedona where these regional transit trolleys (or whatever they have in mind) will be stashed on the old Chevron property at the “Y”, and add to even more congestion for Sedona at that intersection where two state highways merge!
Wouldn’t surprise me if dignitaries from outer limits aren’t wining and dining the main cast of characters promoting “Sedona, The Cash Cow.” Now isn’t that a label more appropriate these days than “The Most Beautiful Place on Earth?”
One of the unnamed five? Don’t think so since we don’t even know who they are! The list is maybe much longer than a mere five?
Entire BART system pays $65k for this type of position and it’s less in Phoenix. Let’s talk corruption and mismanagement.
There is no transit system for Sedona or the Verde. It’s not possible with the county and local municipalities governments but the county could pay if taxpayers were complacent.
Forget it Sedona councils and managers. You can’t make a go of free services for illegal aliens and tourists.
Seeing is believing! Checked city web site and there it is – the ad – “Come join our team! The City of Sedona is seeking applicants for the position of Transit Administrator”.
Well the “percs” with this job are too lengthy to mention all here; however will perhaps prod curiosity by mentioning “100% City-paid health, dental and vision coverage; $50,000 group term life insurance; eleven paid holidays; and, 4/10 schedule, 3 day weekends!”
So, they bring in ALL traffic to Sedona; have cars park in the new proposed parking structure on Forest Road; car occupants walk to the ‘Y’ and grab a shuttle for a ride to ???? Oak Creek Canyon?
Surely “they” don’t think this will accommodate “locals” (except perhaps in rare circumstances?) – and – didn’t “they” attempt a shuttle service not too long ago and it failed miserably?
However and, but of course, with the advantage of potential “free money?” (grants) how can they resist going for it again?
Just watch out, though. It might come with a price to residents via county property taxes. At one council meeting Coconino County Matt Ryan’s name popped up as a source “they” had contacted. Purpose? To extract money from the property taxes WE pay to the county! “They” seem to be determined to prey upon residents for $$$$$ one way or another.
Heads up! Alert your respective County Supervisors (both Coconino and Yavapai Counties) if you object to this latest boondoggle. What else can it possibly be? Filtering ALL traffic (especially northbound) through Sedona in order to get “free” rides up Oak Creek Canyon? Where else do tourists want to go except, perhaps, USFS trail heads – which means these “shuttles” will be encroaching via our subdivisions to reach the trail heads?
OMG just when ya think ya heerd them all!!!
Deception around here at city hall stinks
Nancy you’re a (deleted by editor)
Come on “Say What”,everyone knows that we have too much traffic, I read in the RRN, (Yes, I love that paper) that traffic was voted the number 1 issue in the city. So, those people at city hall are doing something creative to cut that traffic down or manage it in some way so of course you have something snarky to say. If people who lived in the VOC could take a bus AND NOT THEIR CAR to work, that would cut down a bit right there. Since you have so many snarky comments to make, I’m sure that you’re retired and have built up a savings or pension plan to pay your bills. How do you think a non retired person is supposed to live? Perhaps you’re jealous? If you were to apply for that job, I bet you’d have a different attitude.
oh, you make so much sense. Let us all tell our county supervisors to not help Sedona to get cars off of the road LOL you are very closed minded.