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Eddie Maddock: Business as Usual?

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie S. Maddock

Sedona AZ – At a Special Sedona City Council Meeting, 3:00 –Wednesday afternoon –January 11, 2017, after three long years of a contentious destination marketing agreement with the Sedona Chamber of Commerce, the City will again revisit the issue. We can only hope the negotiations will prove to be less controversial, fairer and, in turn, result in acceptable transparency which will dismiss suspicion and mistrust of City Hall dealings. That might very well have been the case had the original commitment for Requests for Proposals (RFP’s) as well as certified outside audits been upheld as proposed during the initial negotiations. Ignoring both valid concerns was a disservice to everyone.

Five options will be discussed at this meeting as follows:

Option 1: Move forward with the negotiations of a new contract with the Chamber of Commerce.

Option 2: Issue an RFP for tourism promotion services.

Option 3: Create a stand-alone destination marketing organization (DMO) without ties to the Chamber of Commerce.

Option 4: Create a City Department to handle tourism promotion.

Option 5: Issue a Request for Qualifications (RFQ) for a travel industry consultancy to assess the current structure, funding relationships, etc. and provide recommendations to the city.

Pros and cons of each option will be discussed at length, such as concerns RFP’s will include bids from for-profit agencies. That brings up several questions. Without an official outside audit from a qualified source, how do they know the Chamber has not been making a profit? How many employees have they hired? What has been the cost of improvement to their own facilities, etc? And what is the source of funding for those operating expenses?

And will the City acknowledge the Chamber currently offers their own RFP’s for specific services, realistically reducing them to a mere middle-agency, acting on behalf of the City of Sedona?

And how do they justify the extended branding of the Sedona Chamber of Commerce that has occurred within the past three years? What has been the source of that promotional funding for the Chamber instead of the City?

By creating a stand-alone destination marketing organization, the City could avoid real or perceived conflicts between tourism promotion services and the various other functions of the Chamber of Commerce. Although they specify: “Unclear how local and regional partners would react,” why should that concern the City? Should their focus at long last be redirected to the residents of incorporated Sedona? They are the people who created the City in the first place, clearly, and with knowledge, it attracted tourists.

Sure, a stand-alone destination marketing organization “would result in the re-creation of an already established and successful local agency.” However the extent of success of the present local agency has never been undisputedly proven. The source of increased revenue after the great recession coupled with a reduction in gasoline prices has never factually been factored into the increased tourism and resulting upswing in revenue. Nor has it been determined to what extent advertising monies have merely resulted in excessive day-tripping, which the City’’s infrastructure clearly cannot handle.

As for the suggestion for Request for Qualifications (RFQ) for a travel industry consultancy to assess and monitor the current structure, would that be nothing more than a baby sitter for the contract with the Chamber of Commerce? Should the City have been serving that function for the past three years?

It has frequently been said the City could not afford to operate their stand-alone department. And how would they know? With a Chamber of Commerce now providing funding for USFS trail maintenance, contributing money back to the City for their traffic study, and other generous, but questionably frivolous expenditures, most recently to propose purchasing property on behalf of the City with what appears to be leftover funds from the bed tax rebate, how can they make that determination without a precise and reliable audit from an authentic source? They cannot. Is there any reasonable explanation why the City should not take responsibility for allocating the bed tax revenue -– all of it – including over and above destination marketing?

And the perfect opportunity to establish a genuine Sedona Visitors Center has been ignored by not including such a service at the Western Gateway. How long will this City tolerate discrimination of their own legitimate licensed, tax collecting businesses within City Limits unless they are forced to be members of what clearly is a regional Chamber of Commerce? And the practice of paid referrals is common, but should the City be involved by financing the activity with public funds, and further discriminating against in-city businesses?

Molly Spangler

With the recent hiring of a professional, Molly Spangler, to serve as Economic Development Director, there i’s really no need to burden our busy Chamber of Commerce with more additional duties besides servicing their members, which is the purpose of their non-profit organization.

And, since when was “The Sedona Chamber of Commerce & Tourism Bureau” deemed “the Destination Marketing & Management Organization in Sedona for 65 years”? Up until just a few years ago was it not the Oak Creek Canyon Sedona Chamber of Commerce, then changed to Sedona Chamber of Commerce, and most recently “”& Tourism Bureau”” was tacked on? This elaborate extension of creating yet another illusion that simply does not exist is pretty much over the top. Wouldn’t you agree? Dumb question.

There i’s already a campaign in motion to “Make America Great Again.” How about a local endeavor to “Make Sedona Respectable Again”? Meet and greet our visitors with an authentic Sedona Visitors Center and related advertising. Don’’t we deserve it like other places? Flagstaff (AZ) and Park City (UT) are, but two, examples that offer proof they survive very well without financial support to their respective Chambers of Commerce.

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  1. @west sedona dave says:

    That’s what happens Dave when you got a guy like Tony Tonsich leading the charge…

    He knows not what he speaks about…..
    Ask the homeowners of his tiny HOA… they will tell you ..

  2. @Marv says:

    Wow improvements at sunset and posse grounds parks..
    Awesome… Thank you Sedona

    It’s a great place to live… thanks again

  3. JJ says:

    @West Sedona Dave-Christ Graham. If you think you can get the fed up voters to vote in a property tax- Have at it. Christ Graham savior- Jesus sat on the board of main street received 100,000 dollars annually from the tax payers for years, works for the red rocksnooze Kyle Larson receiving millions sitting on the board of the chamber of horrors. Zero credibility. Imo Pond Scum.

  4. Hey Christ Graham says:

    What’s the deal man?

    Isn’t there a conflict of interest here? Doesn’t the RRN get mucho money from the city in ads? How about the Chamber man? Don’t you get money for all those exclusive promos?

    didn’t you get money for your poetry slam dude? You sit on the board for mainstreet. Your boss Larson sits on the chamber board.

    Man dude I thinks there a conflict here man, $$$ for YOU and YOURS if we vote yes.Don’t you get paid enough?

    Me voting no

  5. F.Y.I. says:

    Errors in Fox Graham’s Editorial, “Chamber helps fund Sedona in Motion plan” (May 11, 2018):

    1. “Bed taxes shall be used exclusively by the city or town for the promotion of tourism.” Not always. Only the one-half percent bed tax increase effective Jan. 1, 2014, applies to Sedona. City Council passed this increase AFTER state statute ARS-500.06 became law. Not the case with the long existing 3 percent bed tax.

    2. “The underlying cause of our traffic problems is multi-faceted.” Omitted and not acknowledged is that the City’s Transportation Study found that most traffic was caused by vehicles passing through Sedona.

    3. “Much of the traffic problems are our fault.” Isn’t this discriminatory? Sedona didn’t have very much in the way of traffic problems in 2009 and 2010 when the population 1,000 above today’s. What’s more, it is not supported by the findings of the Transportation Study.

    By the way, Jennifer Wesselhoff told the RRN on 5/02/2018 that the voluntarily capped amount above the $2.17 million projected for next fiscal year equates to about $270,000. This is only a fraction of $2.17M. In my opinion, $270,000 is an amount hardly worth mentioning,and it has little, if anything, to do with “building solutions.”

  6. @JJ says:

    What do you care JJ?

    You live by Red rock crossing…Not even in Sedona City limits..
    Go find somethingvwrong(I’m sure you will) with your area..

    Thanks again

  7. George East says:

    Kudos to F.Y.I. for exceptionally astute observations. In summation, both City and Chamber are masters of spinning.

    Another kudos or two rightfully might go to Segner for having brought C F Graham and his affiliation with the RRNews out of the shadows. If Graham is worthy of the accolades bestowed upon him from Mr. Segner may we expect him to offer a humble comment (or two) of gratitude to SedonaEye for their fair and balanced policies which, after all, is the vehicle for his newfound notoriety?

  8. Stop the scam says:

    Stop the Scam vote NO on home rule.

    Go back and remember the city ISN’T required to give that 55% to Chamber. City Council WANTS to!

    Vote out ALL incumbents. Stop the bleeding.If you vote them in they will destroy Sedona.

    Sales tax is equal to bed tax NOW which takes aways ant rules for reinvesting in that 1/2% increase scam.

    1/2 % is NOT 55% anyway. is only 450k YOU been duped
    City Council gave away YOUR Sedona.

    Vote them out! Kick out home rule. REJECT REJECT just as they have been doing to us. VOTE NO

  9. @Steve Segner says:

    @ Steve Segner

    From the CITY OF SEDONA COMMUNITY REPORT 2018: “FY 2017 City revenues generated by sales and bed taxes , , , , 57%, two-thirds generated by sales taxes”

  10. steve Segner says:

    Hotel charge sales tax and bed tax when you break out the numbers 70% + comes 57% sales tax the remainder is the bed tax. from visitors hope that helps .
    you should be happy that visitors pay for our goverment….. we are very lucky.

    Why Home Rule Works for Sedona
    • Arizona voters in 1980 wanted to limit spending by their local municipalities, so they approved a constitutional amendment, which capped spending limits at the budget they set for the 1979-80 fiscal year. They allowed for small increases, based on population and inflation, but if towns wanted to spend more than that, then they’d have to go to voters and get it approved.
    • Since then, they have. Only twice did the voters reject home rule, that being Sedona & Florence and voters quickly realized it was a mistake. They passed some exemptions so the town could continue to do some business until voters would again get a chance to vote for home rule in 2016, which they did.
    • Why do 79 other cities in Arizona vote for home rule? And not take the state allowance? If the amount is so well thought out?
    • This formula-based spending limit does not take into consideration the services and programs provided to citizens by each city or town, such as public safety, water and roadway infrastructure.
    • As an alternative to this formula-based limit, the State Constitution allows voters of a municipality to approve a Local Alternative Expenditure Limitation, otherwise known as the “Home Rule” Option.
    • The Local Alternative Expenditure Limitation, or “Home Rule” Option allows a city or town to adopt its own budget limits locally based on local needs, service levels and available resources.
    • The state mandated money does not take into account the visitor traffic and need of Sedona.
    • Of you think this is a way to stop visitors it will not work the visitors will keep coming and the city will have no resources to respond.
    • Sedona spending is in line with its income. Sedona has saves money for many years and now is using the saving for projects.

  11. Marty in Sedona says:

    Hey you guys and gals (more politically correct is Hey you people) Brace yourselves. If by some miracle Home Rule is snatched from the big planners (city hall folks and their elite non-transparent citizen engagement groups) here’s one thing you can count on! The most essential needs such as roads and transportation will be what’s cut as punishment to voters that didn’t obey their recommendations. Funding for each and every event, city and non city, and the regional chamber of commerce will remain top priority.

    In other words, what is there to lose? Actually nothing will change except for four short years a few wings will be clipped and force these people to adjust slightly to downsizing the grand style of living to which they’ve become accustomed.

    Let’s go for it! NO on HOME RULE!!

  12. Jerry, Legitimate Sedona Voter says:

    It’s definitely time to cut the pork. And if our elected council members refuse, then vote them OUT! Stop, look, listen and pay attention to new people (if there are any) brave enough to step in and face the challenge. First thing – CANCEL THE CONTRACT with the regional chamber of commerce, and STOP funding THEIR visitors center. It should be forced to stand alone, supported by chamber members, as it did for years and as they do in most other incorporated areas who rarely offer any financial support to their C of C’s. In the event any marketing is deemed essential (doubtful) it should be done via State Bureau of Tourism. Period.

    Tentative City Budget for Fiscal Year 2018-19 is on the Council Agenda for the meeting this coming Tuesday (5/22 – 4:30 PM). Wait and watch – see if they will continue w/Business As Usual and betray residents who are increasingly more fed up with this idiotic acquiescing to a whining, divisive special interest organization that is allowed to run and control (out of control is more like it.)


    GET IT????

  13. Get Real says:

    Steve Segner’s 70%+ of sales and bed taxes with 57% coming from sales taxes is BS. According to the City of Sedona, the correct figure for FY 2017 is 57% of revenues, with two-thirds generated by sales taxes.

    Two-thirds of City revenues works out to 38% coming from sales taxes. This leaves 19% of City revenues from bed taxes. And that’s not all. Residents pay a significant percentage of sales taxes, i.e., on bills for patios, fences, retaining walls, building supplies, hardware, paint, restaurant meals, etc.

    In addition, residents pay hefty Fire and School District assessments annually. We pay for twice as many fire stations and fire personnel as need be were the visitor and passer through numbers realistic like they used to be ten years ago and earlier. We are unlucky,

    Vote NO on Home Rule. Vote NO for all incumbents.

  14. @stop the scam says:

    Oh my….
    So overblown
    So dramatic…

    Get a life please and stop spreading misinformation..

  15. @get real says:

    “Taxes on bills for patios, retaining walls, fences , paint , etc etc.

    LOL. You made me laugh

  16. JD - Sedona says:

    “Oh my….
    So overblown
    So dramatic….” @@stop the scam

    Here’s a thought. How about yor eat the rest of your useless wasted words? Sounds just like something from JW – “Get a life please and stop spreading misinformation..”


  17. @@Get Real says:

    @@Get Real

    If you have a fence installed, or get a patio built, or replace a retaining wall, you won’t be laughing at the City’s sales tax charge of a few hundred dollars or more should you request an itemized bill.

  18. Get Real says:

    You won’t be laughing @Get Real when you have a patio built, replace your retaining wall, or get your yard fenced in. Itemized bills list the City sales tax..

  19. No Brainer says:

    Increased spending for the fire district was recently voted down. Similar results have happened with proposed school district bonds. Why is it Sedona residents bend to threats and intimidation presumably orchestrated by a greedy regional chamber of commerce in cahoots with certain council and staff members and continue to allow unlimited spending????. Now you are given an opportunity to at least try and change the direction Sedona is headed. Get some gumption people.Vote NO on HOME RULE and let THEM know WE matter!!!

  20. James Harrington says:

    Sorry but it’s impossible to resist coming back to Business As Usual since it expands far beyond Sedona City Limits.

    Recently it was announced the Sedona Fire Board hired a Phoenix fellow to allegedly “educate” “district” residents, Yavapai/Coconino County property owners, the source of funding via property taxes for the Sedona Fire District.

    The purpose for action apparently is to create “general awareness” (whatever that means) and to “improve public relations needs.”

    Well, “desperation” might be a better term for such a slap in the face to voters who recently denied an overinflated fire district bond. Or are they really so naive to believe a professional will be able to “brainwash” the Fire District residents?

    One might wonder why these brilliant individuals didn’t take a page out of the “city’s” book and back away from making another “such a deal” as occurred with the City/Chamber contract. (Chamber, incidentally, sub-contracted with a professional and legitimate Phoenix ad agency, admitting their unqualified ability for having taken on such a challenge in the first place!)

    Disaster has been the result of that ill fated decision back in 2013, never having proven one thing except a substantial increase in Sedona Day Trippers. And no, vacation rental soreheads, that was long before Gov. Ducey made them legal.

    Or maybe the goal of the Fire Board is less ambitious, that being to just finance this Phoenix fellow similar to how the city paid Red Earth Theatre to use city owned property?

    Actually we voters are getting a better deal from the Fire District since they will only be spending around $30,000 instead of the estimated $40,000 to $50,000 for previous Red Earth contract -(included utilities and other additional expenses).

    Such a deal(s) !! Take your pick.

  21. Larry W. says:

    As others have commented here and elsewhere on SedonaEye there are no surprises at city council meetings. Of course the C of C contract flew through approval at last night’s meeting as did other Sedona giveaways.

    Why would anyone opposing the current method of decision making bother to attend those meetings? Gone are the days of transparency.

    Big mistake to have replaced open-meeting commissions with “citizen engagement” groups. Secrets, secrets, secrets but not so secret when outcomes are soooo predictable!

    Time for change? Do NOT vote for incumbents. Do NOT vote yes on Home Rule.
    NO TO BOTH!!

  22. Jerry, Legitimate Sedona Voter says:

    You can bet the Chamber Gang etal will have heavy duty financing to spend on promoting the incumbents and/or like minded replacements. They are the same folks that benefit from the free-flowing city funding for non-profits and add to publication production support of the RRNews. Nothing short of a miracle will change things. Face it too many people are away this time of year and won’t vote. Another gift for the takers. Face it and prepare for Home Rule to also sail through.

    Sedona residents, either wake up or quit complaining.

  23. @Jerry, Sedona Voter says:

    You pretty much nailed it. The chamber gang is relying on apathy from those that gripe but don’t cast a vote. Hey, people, haven’t you ever heard about early voting? And mail ballots are the going thing. No excuses. Don’t vote? You are the problem and NOT the solution to our ever increasing sub-standard life style. Wise up!

  24. Sorry Jerry, Legitimate Sedona Voter says:

    There is another way of looking at it, only the folks on SedonaEye are against everything Sedona and normal people just don’t agree with you.

    Vote YES on Home Rule

  25. TRUST is broken by CITY of Sedona says:

    As long as the city lets the Chamber run city hall they can’t be trusted.

    VOTE NO NO NO on home rule

  26. Joyce M. says:

    So are you implying elections turn out the way they do because the folks on SedonaEye who are allegedly “against everything Sedona and normal people” don’t get out and vote? @Sorry Jerry, Legitimate Sedona Voter.

    Well, you could very well be correct. Since Sedona elections have such a low turnout, clearly it’s the “movers and shakers winning” the victories. Double shame on the SedonaEye people (and others) who fail to vote. You reap what you sow.

  27. Marlow J says:

    This comment is a first from me although reading SedonaEye is very informative and interesting. So because of residents unrest and growing discontent with Sedona’s present direction, I will just throw in my two cents worth here. Basically Back to “Business as Usual” to conform with the title of the above article.

    It’s already started with an editorial 7/18 in a local paper from the editor implying campaign signs (rarely seen about town since apparently they are being removed almost as quickly as they are erected) but specifically the one recommending to vote NO on Home Rule is “fraudulent.” That seems like a bold statement. Simply because the editor of the RRN disagrees with the message on the signs which read “Say no to traffic vote no on Home Rule” does NOT mean the message lacks valid merit simply because this managing editor says so. Unless he can produce a crystal ball with a guaranteed prediction of Sedona’s future how can he possibly know what effect a NO vote on Home Rule will have on Sedona’s traffic?

    For example, if Home Rule is denied by voters it’s quite possible the advertising contract with our regional Chamber of Commerce will be terminated. Therefore, just how might that influence more potential day-trippers, already exceeding more than Sedona can accommodate? To read this absurd “editorial” (which is exactly what it is – one person’s opinion here) we would truly believe Sedona’s sky will soon be falling if sticky fingers are at least for the time being forced to refrain from raiding the company’s piggy bank. No valid backing for such absurdity, Folks!

    My own opinion is a No Vote on Home Rule will be well worth the opportunity to wait and see how many Chicken Littles will really see their doom and gloom of the falling sky become reality. If anything the RRN editorial confirms my decision since as in past elections similar tactics have been implemented as methods to expound on scare tactics based on nothing more than “Opinions” (as identified at the bottom of the page) of the RRN Publisher & Editorial Staff.

    Business as Usual? Is it time to call their bluff? NO ON HOME RULE!

  28. @Marlow says:

    It seems the City & RRN have bigger fish to fry since Senator Burges has requested the State AG’s office to open an investigation about whether or not Sedona’s contract with the regional Chamber of Commerce is a violation of the “gift law” (among possibly other things). Well it’s about time. Maybe Karma will finally kick in and justice will be served.

  29. Inquiring Minds Want to Know says:

    A review of the Arizona Secretary of State’s election campaign finance report website below
    and the City of Sedona’s election campaign finance report website below
    reveal the following facts as of July 21, 2018:

    AZ Elections 18 PAC
    – Registered on October 11, 2017 with Arizona Secretary of State’s Office
    – Registered on July 12, 2018 with the City of Sedona’s Clerk’s Office
    – Chairman is Steve Segner, President of the Sedona Lodging Council
    – Treasurer is Charles Williamson
    – Filed three quarterly financial reports in 2018 with Arizona Secretary of State’s Office
    – Filed NO quarterly financial reports in 2018 with City of Sedona’s Clerk’s Office. (Second Quarter report was due on July 16)
    – Quarterly financial report filed with the Arizona Secretary of State’s office shows that almost $30,000 has been raised since it was established in 2017.
    – Quarterly financial report filed with the Arizona Secretary of State’s office shows that $11,000 was raised in the Second Quarter, 2018, all from Sedona hotels, businesses and restaurants.

    Sandy for Mayor Campaign Committee
    – Has not filed a statement of organization (required by the State of Arizona).
    – Has not filed a Sedona Quarter, 2018 financial report
    – Has been running paid ads in the Red Rock News with financial no disclosure.

  30. @Inquiring Minds says:

    All you need to know is the “In Crowd” knows how “it’s done in Sedona.”

    It’s their way or the highway,

    Internal nit-picking and arguments within opposing entities will serve to maintain “Business As Usual.” Segner and the Chamber will win – they always do. Why? Because they stand united and avoid in-fighting which from opposition plays directly into their hands.

    Ha – Good Luck, Suckers! Sandy = third term victory.

    Home Rule Will Survive = thanks to all the knee-jerk reactors to scare tactics.

    Business as usual. Ya gotta luv it!!

  31. Segner's Team says:

    LMAO Sedona Losers – all those who actually thought you had a chance to change things in Sedona? Get a life someplace else.

    Just for starters SB 1487 complaint filed questionably by either Sen. Judy Burges and/or Rep. Bob Thorpe has been tossed out. Then the failed attempt by Arizona Liberty to get enough signatures for a ballot measure in November is pathetically short of qualified signatures for one reason or another. You people can’t win for losing.

    Can hardly wait for this primary election. Mayor Sandy will be reelected probably not in the primary since you dimwits wanting change threw in a third party. But Sand’s a shoe in for success in a November runoff. But rest assured Home Rule will sail through during the primary vote. Which means SEDONA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE/CITY OF SEDONA CONTRACT will remain sound and pat for probably FOREVER!

    Oh how sweet it is. Hey Segner is your Oak Creek Canyon Estate big enough to hold a memorial for all the losers after their pitiful defeat this election? Have heart give them something to look forward to besides Business As Usual in Sedona. HO HO HO says Santa and it ain’t even Christmas!!!!!

  32. William J. says:

    It’s frightening to think you might be right @Hillarous but “it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings.” And that’s the truth! Where there’s life there’s hope.

    C’mon residents of Sedona. Want change? Sick of the City/Chamber Sweetheart Deal? Then do NOT vote for incumbents and do NOT vote to approve Home Rule.


    You should received mailed ballots in a few days. Want change? Now is your chance. NO MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!

  33. Sarah Sedona says:

    @Joyce M. 6/14/18 (says) “Well, you could very well be correct. Since Sedona elections have such a low turnout, clearly it’s the “movers and shakers winning” the victories. Double shame on the SedonaEye people (and others) who fail to vote. You reap what you sow.”

    Take heed. Want change? Vote NO on HOME RULE. Vote NO to INCUMBENTS.


    Sedona voters should be asking 1) why the city has been investigated three times by the AG’s office for SB1487 violations? 2) why the city is being sued in Yavapai Superior County over its handling of the citizens’ initiative to put Permanent Base Adjustment on the November? and 3) why the Sandy for Mayor Campaign Committee has yet to file a Second Quarter, 2018 financial report although has been running paid campaign ads in the Red Rock News and is currently under investigation by the Secretary of State’s Office? Seems that the laws apply to everyone else. If these things bother use, vote OUT the incumbents and vote IN new leadership in city hall that will clean up the mess. Ethical behavior is important at levels of government.

  35. James Harrington says:

    But you just don’t seem to understand @ARIZONA LIBERTY. That Chamber of Commerce and affinity group Lodging Council don’t play by rules, they appear to write them. They are above the law as in the case of Sandy Moriarty?

    For example no requests for proposals on destination marketing contract although they were supposed to have done so at the end of the first year of the contract (not enough time at the onset so they said). Then they go to council meetings and act cutesy when asked how many of the Chamber members are physically located outside City Limits and thus don’t collect city revenue. Too difficult is the response.

    OMG and this is what has been dictating to Sedona for how many years now? Definitely time for change. Sedona deserves better than this as do our neighbors to the south VOC and north Oak Creek Canyon.

    KTBO a new radio station in Sedona . . . = Kick The Bums Out.

    NO – HOME RULE = cease & desist reckless spending
    NO – INCUMBENTS = allowed it to happen w/reckless spending

    And “they” will continue on their merry way as long as a Slick Robin continues to cleverly outwit what appears to be blatant violations of State Codes?

  36. WHY? says:

    How about we ask why AZ Liberty twists facts and lies?. Why do people in AZ Liberty who don’t live in city limits so concerned about a Sedona City elections?

    Bunch of liars and fact twisters.

    I’m voting yes on homerule and your constant nonsense is nothing more then a slight annoyance



    AZ Liberty twists facts and lies. Please enlighten SedonaEye readers as what facts and lies. Allegations with no support. Typical nonsense.

  38. Jim Poole says:


    Clearly you are part of the takers, AZ Election PAC records are public
    http://sedonacity.com/PAC.htm STEVE uses his BUSINESS to vote in City Elections. He is GETTING City Subsidies via the chamber for their private club.


    VOTE NO and take your City back from the Lodging mafia


    It’s always interesting there are never any specifics – just empty accusations.

    “Bunch of liars and fact twisters.” Whatever.

    And WHY? thinks that people who “don’t live in city limits” shouldn’t be “so concerned”?

    Sedona in Motion is openly talking about running an alternate route down Verde Valley School Road and right through an existing residential neighborhood.

    And you wonder why they are worried?

  40. Business as Usual - NOT!!! says:

    Is it true the latest gimmick bylaws the rip off regional chamber of commerce is a campaign to smear SedonaEye and their contributors? As the story goes, the chamber of bad jokes has hired a topnotch ad promotional agency to promote guess what? The misnamed “Sedona” Chamber of Commerce. Because our city leaders never bother to monitor how the chamber spends the millions they receive under the terms of the Destination Marketing Contract, what does it matter if the latest promotion is for the “chamber” itself.

    The rumor is they’ve even hired some guy to post comments on SedonaEye spreading false information about how other areas spend millions on destination marketing. May be true however and if so they do it through legitimate Destination Marketing Organizations and not a two bit chiseling amateur outfit like this regional C of C.

    And furthermore, to compare Sedona to places like Las Vegas and Scottsdale is absurd.

    Then there’s Park City, Utah.

    Fact is they give nothing to their Chamber of Commerce same as Flagstaff and Prescott. And in the case of Park City they promote their assets via the Utah State Bureau of Tourism. And the reason the population of Park City has flourished is because surrounding areas annexed into the incorporated Park City thus contributing to their tax base, unlike the “Greater Sedona Area” that relishes free publicity via a bogus Chamber of Commerce that promotes only their members, most not within City of Sedona.

    Then we have the busy chaps AZ Elections 18 PAC, Inc. (unaffiliated with Arizona Liberty) who didn’t think sending out just one expensive pro-Home Rule brochure was sufficient. Yesterday we received a duplicate although indicating it was some sort of “official” election information from maybe the county or state. Same old crap – blah, blah, blah authored by some dame who just happens to be one of those performers at The Hub, also a former recipient of thousands of Sedona City tax dollars.

    Come on people – don’t be fooled by these con-artists. WISE UP. There’s still time to call their bluff and VOTE NO ON HOME RULE and bring in NEW FACES to the City Council. It’s way past time to put a lid on Business as Usual.

  41. Enough is Enough says:

    Special City Council Meeting – Wednesday, April 24, 2019 – 3:00 PM Council Chambers – City Hall

    Special Business:

    AB 2484 Discussion/possible direction regarding Sedona Chamber of Commerce and Tourism Bureau’s Destination Services Plan, plan of work, contract, and preliminary FY20 budget.



    Now is an opportunity. This self-serving member driven special interest association represents ONLY their members, many of whom do not collect Sedona City taxes. While, on the other hand, legitimate licensed businesses within Sedona City Limits who DO collect city taxes are ignored and do not benefit from promotion from what has recklessly been termed an official City of Sedona Visitors Center. Sedona, to date, does NOT have an “official” City of Sedona Visitor’s Center.

    For the city to finance a Visitor’s Center to benefit strictly members of a Chamber of Commerce is questionable and, in fact, has merited the opening of an investigation by the State Attorney General’s office.

    An “official” City of Sedona Visitor’s Center would represent ALL licensed City of Sedona businesses and NOT promote competition outside Sedona City Limits.

    Isn’t requiring membership to a special interest association in order to receive equal promotional benefits financed with tax money, regardless of the source, called coercion?

    State Attorney General’s Office – are you paying attention?

    City Council members are you?

    City Manager?

    And mostly, Sedona residents. Are you sick and tired of millions of Sedona tax dollars being allocated to a member-driven club year after year? If so – let them know – NOW – while FY 2020 budget is being addressed.

    Most municipalities, Flagstaff and Camp Verde, for example, do not contribute to a Chamber of Commerce.

    Time for change? INDEED YES – some might say – Contact your members of the Sedona City Council. They were elected to represent YOU!!

  42. @enough is enough says:

    Hey thanks for posting on this topic where the last post before yours was on Aug 15, 2018

    It’s fun reading all those posts from AZ Liberty knowing that they lost any issue or people they endorsed for various elections. It’s also interesting that in the past anything they were for(like a only a two lane road for 179) has caused nothing but negative situations and traffic.

    Thnks again enough is enough at highlighting that’s groups failures.

  43. Joe Lee says:

    You make me laugh @@enough is enough, taking a poke at a comment made on Aug. 15, 2018, when you, yourself, obviously couldn’t resist being “Business as Usual” Comment No. 942.

    As for AZ Liberty, why would they lower themselves to cater to Sedona Eye when they have their own website? In fact more comments are made on another on-line publication by one of the big AZ Liberty players than I’ve ever seen on SE.

    Your comment makes no sense but with any luck maybe comments under this stale and dull tripe will reach 1,000? Lot’s of bored folks out there but with a weekend coming up, maybe they all stay home and read Sedona Eye leaving the tourists to battle traffic.

  44. Second the Motion says:

    @Joe Lee, by Jove you are correct! Just arrived home and it’s nuts out there, but I do believe the traffic is consistently worse in West Sedona. Generally my choice is to avoid going out on weekends, including Fridays, but found it necessary today. No more! This serves to second the motion to let the crazies at it. My preference is reading the not-so-trendy wack-job comments on Sedona Eye @@enough is enough. When the truth hurts it hurts badly. Hope this conveys a message and at the same time contributes to that 1k goal!

  45. Sedona Shell Game Lives says:

    Sedona Shell Game is alive and well:

    STEP 1:

    Special City Council Meeting: #3. Executive Session – Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 2:00 PM: Discussion/consultation with the City Attorney regarding the contract between the City of Sedona and the Sedona Chamber of Commerce and Tourism Bureau. This matter is brought in executive session pursuant to A.R.S. 38-431.03(A)(4).

    STEP 2:

    Special City Council Meeting Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 3:30 PM: AB 2497 Public hearing/discussion/possible action regarding approval of a resolution adopting the City of Sedona’s Budget for Fiscal Year 2019-20.

    STEP 3:

    Regular City Council Meeting Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 4:30 PM: #3 – Consent Items for Approval: AB 2484 Approval of the Sedona Chamber of Commerce and Tourism Bureau’s (SCC&TB) Destination Services Plan, plan of work, and FY20 budget.

    And there you have it! All neat, tidy, and pre-packaged. The Chamber/City Contract is a done-deal and any suggestions otherwise are simply untrue based on this neat and tidy line-up of procedures all with approval of the City Attorney to keep the scam “legal.”

    Don’t look for changes unless and until the Arizona State Attorney General’s office finally takes the Sedona Shell Game seriously and puts a stop to it.


  46. John Wilson says:

    More logical reasons why it’s a waste of time for Sedona residents to attend city council meetings. Clearly the 3-step procedure as outlined above @Sedona Shell Game Lives clearly defines “how things are done in Sedona!” And what more proof is needed that by the time a council agenda item is discussed publicly the outcome and “vote” has already been decided – most likely in “executive” sessions behind closed doors.

    So much for transparency in Sedona government! There ain’t none!! END OF REPORT.

  47. Judy Big Deal says:

    How many “special meetings” have occurred in order to change the “arrangement” the regional chamber of commerce has with City of Sedona from “Destination Marketing” to “Destination of Services” (plan of work)!

    Oh Brother – it seems Sedona should win a prize for creating the most number of SHELLS under which to switch funding!!!

  48. steve Segner says:

    Sedona Shell Game Lives saysA.R.S. 38-431.03(A)(4). all contract are done in Executive Session! The city council is in charge like I posted earlier.
    No one from the chamber will be in the Executive Session. hope that helps .

  49. @steve Segner says:

    And why would it be necessary for someone from the chamber to attend city council executive sessions? Clearly they have their own private sessions individually with council members prior to “official” meetings. Therefore they are already on the same page and know exactly what the subject will be – as it also appears in an official Public Notice so as to not break the open meeting law. (that’s another joke)

  50. chamber gets special favors from the city of sedona says:

    IMO chamber gets special favors from the city of sedona. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the unlevel playing field.

    Chamber has city council liaisons
    they get city taxes even though they DO NOT collect them
    They get unlimited city staff time
    They get information, data and direction on how to build their army of NON city Businesses.
    They get FREE ADVERTISING on city website and much more.

    What has the money gifted to them done? Destroy the charm, quality of life and BUILT CHAMBER business.

    City hall is morans IMO dumbing down sedona and cheapening the quality

    Why are they getting it? because THEY say they are entitled. DUMB greedy killing your sedona.

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