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Back on the Drawing Board with Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

Sedona AZ (November 7, 2014) The final Regular City Council Meeting, prior to the seating of the newly elected, is on Wednesday, November 12, 2014, where a last ditch effort to purchase creek side property will again be discussed.

The three properties for consideration at this time as taken from the Council Agenda are:

Chavez Crossing – Current USFS Campground Site

Chavez Crossing is located off State Highway 179 at Oak Creek Cliffs Drive, across from the Poco Diablo Resort. It is owned by the USFS and currently operated as a reservation-only overnight campground, not open to daytime recreation or for general public use. The total parcel is approximately 37 acres and is bisected by Highway 179.

The western portion of the site (west of Highway 179) is approximately 27 acres and the other approximately 10 acres – of the same parcel located across Highway 179 (east of 179) – consists of a very steep hillside, unusable for any type of development. Of the 27 acres on the west side, approximately six of those make up the current campground site.

To the south, the parcel quickly turns into a steep hill, rendering the top of the site inaccessible from the campground below. At the top of that hill there is a flat several acres accessible off Highway 179, and a small unofficial parking lot trail head used by hikers who traverse the steep hill to a portion of the creek south of the campground.

Dept of Agriculture USFS Forest ServiceAlthough this is all one large parcel of USFS land, the City has only discussed use of the campground portion of the site. There have not been discussions regarding acquiring the entire parcel, although that may be further studied should the USFS support it. The smaller campground portion of the site has direct creek access and already has basic infrastructure in place, including a small parking area, vault restrooms, picnic tables, drinking water and cooking grills.

In addition to the attractive location of the site just off a major highway, and the fact that it is partially developed and has relatively few development challenges, staff has also identified this site as being suitable for possible conversion to a Day Use public park, due to the fact that the campsites within this property are located within a flood way.

USFS staff is willing to continue to work with the City to evaluate this site and the possibility of converting its use to create a creek side public park and to consider the City’s acquisition and operation of that park. It has recommended, that should the City of Sedona wish to pursue this property, we begin by conducting public scoping in 2015.

Should the City Council wish to continue to pursue this property, the City would need to fund the scoping at a cost of $15,000. The USFS does not have these funds available.

Sedona City Council will seat newly elected members in late November 2014

Sedona City Council will seat newly elected mayor and members in November 2014

Schnebly Hill Road Community Focus Area

Several creek side properties exist along Schnebly Hill Road just north of the Schnebly Hill roundabout. Most of the ten or so key properties in this area are residential, with the exception of an RV Park located at the northernmost portion. There are several undeveloped parcels many of which are entirely or almost entirely in the flood way. The majority of the area is flat with good access off Schnebly Hill Road.

This entire area has not met its full development potential and, as such, has been identified in the Sedona Community Plan as a Community Focus Area (CFA). As a result of that designation, the City and the neighborhood anticipate conducting specific area planning activities to identify and plan for the most suitable land uses in anticipation of and prior to future development.

While there are no current sellers of property who have been identified, as generally outlined in the community plan, the neighbors have worked together to develop preliminary concepts for re-development that will be the basis for CFA planning. These preliminary plans include the possible addition of small retail, bed and breakfast type lodging, age-in-place housing and or other potential non-residential uses. These changes will require some re-zoning. Because the neighborhood/property owners are so far along with their planning efforts, staff is recommending this be the next active CFA planning area, which could begin as soon as the beginning of 2015.

As the specific area planning is done and eventually the property owners seek new zoning, it is possible that creek-side open space/park space and or a “creek-walk” pathway may be able to be programmed into that focus area planning and, ultimately, acquired through a combination of property purchase by the City and or acquisition of property through the community benefit contributions which must be met when obtaining city entitlements such as zoning.

The neighborhood/property owners have made it clear through discussions with staff that they favor pedestrian only access, should some type of creek-walk or small creek-side park be developed here. The neighbors are very unlikely to support anything that is developed as a large park or a destination that requires vehicular access.

Oak Creek

Oak Creek development under consideration

The Preserve at Oak Creek – Uptown

The Preserve at Oak Creek, located at SR 89A and Art Barn Road totals 21.5 acres and is made up of 13 separate parcels. There are several small vacant mobile homes and an office building with a graded parking area associated with the previous Hawkeye trailer park. There is also a large single family home currently occupied by the property caretaker. The property has approximately 2,130 feet of creek frontage. The property is undeveloped but had prior approvals for a large mixed use development that never materialized. That zoning has since expired. For any development to occur on the property a rezoning application would need to be approved or the property reverted back to its original zoning classification through legislative action by the Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council

The latest unofficial purchase price estimate for this property was $8.5 million but the property is not currently listed for sale. Staff has not inquired further regarding owner interest in selling. This property is included in this report not for consideration for purchase, but due to its potential for working with a future developer to incorporate a creek park or other creek access into a future development, as part of the required rezoning process. At 21.5 acres, the property is larger than is necessary for a creek access park, and given its high price tag, waiting and partnering with a future developer may make more sense than an attempted City acquisition and seeking of a private partner to develop the unneeded portion.

This property is located at the upper end of Uptown, in one of the highest if not the highest traffic area in the City particularly on busy weekends. Traffic in this location can back up for many miles in each direction and for the City to develop a recreational amenity that will put additional vehicles in this location, traveling in and out of the property, would exacerbate an already difficult situation for our merchants, residents and guests. Staff would recommend pursuing the other two options prior to actively pursuing this property for a creek park.

City of Sedona Arizona has a population of approximately 10K of which about 6K are considered year round residents.

City of Sedona Arizona has a population of approximately 10K of which about 6K are considered year round residents.

Financial Ability to Purchase Property

Currently, the City has approximately $1,600,000 in Park Development Impact Fees available for land acquisition that could be used to acquire any of the above-listed parcels. Any purchases in excess of the available impact fees would require utilization of the City’s reserves or re-prioritization of projects already included in the CIP and funded through reserves, such as streets and drainage improvements.

The City does have additional debt capacity to finance land acquisitions, however, it would be necessary to identify a revenue stream in the budget to retire the additional debt service. Interest rates are still very favorable for borrowing.

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115 Comments

  1. Elllie G says:

    Hey @ West Sedona resident

    Remember the old adage of “Sticks and stones can hurt my bones but Names will not”?

    Hey dude (dudet) Facts override your childish sticks and stones and boorish rants.

    You’re the only one to mention Jennifer – so perhaps you didn’t read correctly and that should be a big gage as to your level of credibility.

    Hummm, just a thought.

  2. Eddie,

    In both my replies to west Sedona Resident at 6:32 and 10:58 on Nov 10, I quizzically used the name “Jessica.” I’ve never referred to WSR as Jennifer.

  3. There you go again Eddie…

    I’ve see you comment about someone like myself who isn’t anyone you thought..
    There you go with your conspiracy theory again..

    Eddie there’s a tree being cut down on Dry Creek Road.. Please get on a story about that and do tell us what part of Sedona Government I’s wrong..
    Maybe Rick can help you co-write.. Also please include a Thomas Jefferson quote and maybe a graph with s picture or two..
    Thanks again… Can’t wait

  4. @Steve Segner

    What are you talking about? I made no comments about the forest service building.

    Eddie Maddock

  5. @Steve Segner

    Thank you, Thank you.

    I didn’t like all of the same people that you backed but you had the right and balls to do what you want with your time and money.

    INTERESTING- I didn’t see one penny donated to any of the candidates in the name of Maddock, Normand, Jenx or Varney.

    Isn’t it interesting, we just finished one of my most treasured days of the year, VETERANS DAY where men and women (and I) fought for the freedom to do what we want. Just because you didn’t do what the “Entitled Bullies” like, they keep bashing you. Nothing that these Entitled Bullies say you did is illegal by any means, it’s just NOT WHAT THEY LIKE and done by thousands across the country. You did your research and donated to those that you thought were best where’s the crime!?!

    I always use my real name at my age don’t give a crap about Bullies!

  6. Thank you, Rick, for confirming what I thought I read . . . that you never made reference to a “Jennifer.”

    It appears the person using the pseudo “West Sedona resident” is the one who is confused, being unable to differentiate between “Jessica” and “Jennifer.”

    In addition to being addled it also seems that person’s temper is pretty stretched as I don’t recall any other comments displaying rage heightened to the point where apparently the only level of release is to accuse others of being hateful.

    It’s sad. Time directed towards anger management sessions might be better spent than stressing over those with differing points of view.

    Oh well, just another day of our present quality of life in Sedona.

    Eddie Maddock

  7. Suspicions confirmed. (reference to tree removal on Dry Creek Road did it)
    Thank you more than you could possibly know.

    Eddie Maddock

  8. Sharlett says:

    @West Sedona Resident,

    Do you, for some reason, feel it is Incorrect to share factual information about a fence and its potential impact at the treatment plant? Huh? My belief is that all aspects of spending our City revenue is and should be open and up for grabs for comments by the public.

    FYI: A currently owned City bird park that allows for visitors is not an Entitlement or as you called it “ENTiTIEMENT”. It is in fact a City owned Park.

    The fence is a bad idea as it restricts natural wildlife from doing what nature tells them to do – water, food, habitat etc.

    By the way, my name is Sharlett vs “Sharrlet”. Your continued miss spellings cause me to truly question your factual abilities.

    I am more than happy to support facts vs twists of words and information and misspellings.

    @Dan Verde Valley: “Sedona is the laughing stock of the Verde Valley and that’s NO joke. ” Sadly you are correct!

    @Steve Segner: Just where in Sedona do you live? Or do you fall under the radar of a flaw in a state law and live up the Canyon? Isn’t that great wedding site of yours shown as Your home?

    Again to Steve Segner: In answer to your seemingly inane question of how elections work? Well – they sure as hell do not work – nor should they work – by means of your very clearly stated “Gorilla Tactics.” Guess you are somehow lamely proud of yourself? My opinion is you sunk to a new level in our little town.

    And again Mr Segner – in watching the city council meeting tonight (11/12/14) I learned you own at least 3 properties on Schnebly Hill Rd which is the new sweetheart deal of Council picking a Creek Park/walk.

    And also learned that a push by Max Licher (who also owns and lives in that neighborhood – and is not objective) – as he has a major conflict of interest and instead is promoting the city to own a park there – as he talks to his neighbors and scares the hell out of everyone saying “if we don’t do this we will get another 50 homes!”

    That is a very old scare tactic used to try to bring people over to your side Max, and game over!

    So my take is the neighbors on Schnebly don’t want a creek park or another 50 homes… And Max is play his supposed scare trump card….

    This City Council just got played for fools tonight! This supercedes the Chamber of Commerce routines of wanting money for their Regional Chamber.

  9. No Sharrlet….

    Appreciate the spelling lesson…
    You are the one who calls out people for using city parks or any city owned function that’s free as ENTITLEMENTS…
    Your a fraud and a liar and one HATEFUL SOB
    Don’t care if you name is misspelled it’s not real anyway

    So Pack up move out of town and don’t let the door hit you in the ass Julianna

  10. Oh Sharrlet…

    The comment from the women about the sewage pool fence is not from Sedona..
    She uses it for FREE… By you definition that an ENTITLEMENT right… Just like going down to the proposed creek walk and “splashing you toes in the water” that’s free so that’s an ENTITLEMENT correct!?
    Also you realize that the social security you collect is an ENTITLEMENT right::: according to you..
    You can’t just disquise your hate under BS information

  11. @ Sharlett

    What City Hall meeting did you go to or watch on TV last night??????

    How do you figure that because Max Licher who “lives in that neighborhood that he’s not objective or has a major conflict of interest” or “is promoting the city to own a park there”?

    Where at that meeting was that ever mentioned?

    I have news for you, if anyone in this city is going to have a hand at designing anything in this city, I HOPE THAT ITS LICHER! Max and Mikes work is amazing and we would be lucky to have them involved.

    When you say “he talks to his neighbors and scares the hell out of everyone saying if we don’t do this we will get another 50 homes” did you ever hear one person say that?

    Dont you have anything better to do with your life than to spread lies? Oh, I guess not since it seems that is all that you can do on this site.

  12. Congratulations to Audubon and “the birders” who showed up at the meeting. Even though all weren’t permitted to speak, your message came through loud and clear. (we hope)

    That the city failed to notify you in advance of their intentions is inexcusable. Especially since Audubon actually managed to contribute funding to this project.

    They would never treat their beloved Chamber of Commerce so shabbily. And it’s yet to be proven if they (chamber) return one cent profit on the over a million dollars the city gives them annually. Your project is one they better not try to take credit for.

    Way to go and let’s all hope for a positive reversal on a very stupid decision.

  13. Nora says:

    Don’t feel that you are alone, Bird Watchers. This city is biased and they are hypocrites.

    Today they approved a sign code ordinance for timeshare vendors while at the same time they violate non-member Chamber of Commerce Sedona city based businesses by imposing a fee for them to benefit from referrals from the 70% city tax financed visitors’ center which, in turn, is misidentified as the “Chamber of Commerce Visitors’ Center.” Hypocrites. It should be signed as the “City of Sedona Visitors’ Center.”

    Of course, we peons who sell timeshares solicit business for Sedona by offering sales promotions which, in turn, brings in money from other sources such as spending in local shops, bars, and restaurants, are now dumped on because Jennifer Wesselhoff complained that we were diverting business from her alleged non-profit 70% city-financed operation.

    Wow, such a deal and it will only get worse with the most recent purchase by the Chamber of Commerce and Sedona Lodging Council, that being the newly elected mayor and three city council members.

  14. Steve Segner says:

    So now I’m evil for following the state law regarding residencey,I guess I should have checked with Sharlett, ……on my three properties
    On Schnebly, it is one and it is in escrow, two down…
    On Gorilla tactics, yes I am proud,Gorilla marketing is a way to tell a story using little
    Money.Read the books. And oh by the way I have two homes in Sedona and one up the canyon. And for comments on chamber marketing money August was the best August that Sedona hotels have ever had …better then July even with the fire and canyon being closed . All because the chambers marketing program in Phoenix .
    .. Once agean do your home work
    Steve segner

  15. Sharlett says:

    Hey Segner – it was one of your neighbors who blew your cover of owning 2 or 3 homes in the Schnebly sweet sites of the new park/walk area and not me…..plus your home is up the Canyon.

    I’m thinking that you just acknowledged and admitted to “bending the State rules” of where you live and (don’t live) as you vote off of your business address vs where you actually put your head down at night????

    What on earth do you mean when you say “So now I’m evil for following the state law regarding residency, I guess I should have checked with Sharlett, ……on my three properties
    On Schnebly, it is one and it is in escrow, two down…”

    On Gorilla tactics – by saying your are “a proud Gorilla marketer” = I am dumbstruck that you actually believe your words and tactics and have so little respect for a Fair political election. Disgusting. I can read a plethora of books on various crazy topics and that doesn’t mean I’m stupid enough to believe everything someone writes.

    For clarity Steve – where are your two homes in Sedona? Don’t you think we all deserve to know that you follow all the rules without playing games?

  16. @ Steve Seger

    Thank you for some honest info. I read up on gorilla marketing when it was first mentioned by the bullies and I understand your point. I guessing the bullies on this site only know how to read Sedona eye and not much else.

  17. So the editor of the Sedona Red Rock News is supposed to become the new football coach at Red Rock high? Where’s the story on that on Sedonaeye

  18. Don says:

    @west sedona sports

    seems you told the story

    what else needs to be said?

  19. Warren says:

    @ West Sedona sports lover — If it’s such an important topic for you why don’t you write about it?

  20. Harold W. says:

    So yes, timeshare hawking when too aggressive is annoying. But does that give the holier-than-thou chamber of commerce the right to demand for them to spend hundreds of dollars to change their signs? Apparently so.

    As each day passes we in Sedona are losing freedoms for the purpose of catering to one “special” special interest group. Maybe one day a class action law suit will put a stop to it. Timeshare folks, are you listening?

  21. steve segner says:

    Sharlett said “Hey Segner – it was one of your neighbors who blew your cover of owning 2 or 3 homes in the Schnebly sweet sites of the new park/walk area and not me…..plus your home is up the Canyon.”

    Sharlett I do not own any homes on Schnebly Rd. I own vacant land and as i said It is in Escrow, I sold it. so much for the neighbors blowing my cover, and what does that mean? that I am a land owner? Harvey W took the time to read the books on gorilla marketing but then Harvey can read.

    As for voting in Sedona you say it should be where you “actually put your head down at night????” please did you just make that up? or is it state law? I think it is a Sharlett should “B” law. Well Sharlett, go get it changed, find someone in state government to change it, but then you would need to help get them elected! try Gorilla marketing it worked in Sedona… good luck
    steve Segner

  22. Just Sayin' says:

    @Harold W

    What planet do you live on????????

    If you watched the meeting like I did, I saw that the Chamber showed the many many complaint letters. The Chamber never made any demands AT ALL.

    This is just another attempt to twist the truth.

    the whole issue is bad for our city and instead of standing behind the city or chamber for doing their jobs, the bullies on this site will find fault just to find fault.

  23. Harold W. says:

    @Just Sayin’

    It’s the city that isn’t doing their job. The sign at the Chamber should immediately (if not sooner) be changed to reflect that it is the “City of Sedona Visitor’s Center” since 70% of the operation is supported by city revenue collected from city limits based businesses. If they don’t do that, they should take their development impact fees and put the money where it would best be served, that being to establish a reputable City Visitor Center same as Flagstaff and Prescott.

    Refusing to admit the city discriminates against non-chamber city businesses is denying reality. And now they discriminate against times shares. The hand full of complaints you make reference to could very well be contrived, the same way as was the rip-off of bed taxes for destination marketing without offering request for bids.

    One thing we do agree on. This issue has been and remains devastating to the City of Sedona. It’s shameful.

  24. Sharlett says:

    So Steve – Let me correct myself: your neighbor said you own 2 or 3 Lots on Schnebly vs homes. and you say 1 lot is in escrow…what about the others?

    Ya never answered the question of where you really live? Do You actually own a home (vs a business) within the limits of the City of Sedona?

    That should be an easy question for you to answer except you always skirt and slip slid away from the answer and never give a direct and verifiable answer! I personally don’t care how many lots you own – We all just would like confirmation that you are not slipping through a State loop hole crack of being a City registered voter by using your Business address (or your property in escrow) as your PRIMARY Address when you do not put your head down on pillows at either site on a daily basis .

    And No Steve I did not make up the concept of where you reside (put your head down at night) vs where you vote. Interesting how you come up dumb on that concept.

    Oh, Gorilla Tactics and how you pride yourself on having used them. Guess what – I did do a lot of reading about that topic and find Guerrilla/tactics warfare is a “‘form of irregular warfare in which a small group of combatants such as armed civilians or “irregulars” use military tactics including ambushes, sabotage, raids, petty warfare, hit-and-run tactics, and mobility to fight a larger and less-mobile traditional military.

    You are seen as a small “irregular” man using ambushes and sabotage tactics in order to get your way. Shame on You!

    You wrote: “try Gorilla marketing it worked in Sedona… good luck
    steve Segner”. You are sooooo proud of yourself and so very disrespectful of everyone else.

    Just because one can read something in print doesn’t make the words or the concept true………….if that were the case than I’d guess that Little Red Ridding Hood and Cinderella and all the other follies of fairy tails are your Bible?

    Hey Steve; Winter is upon us so why not take off your short boy pants and put your big boy long pants and just own up as to where you live and what address you really use as a registered voter and let us know that 1 & 1 really does equal a legal vote.

    I think you are playing a game for your own purposes.

  25. Janice C says:

    Hey Sharlet…

    Why not tell us where you live and why your at it give us your real name.?
    This way we can check you out with s microscope..

    I suspect you won’t cause your a fraud and won’t give out what you demand from Steve…
    I repeat your a fraud!!

  26. Just Askin' says:

    Question for Just Sayin’:

    If sworn to tell the truth under oath and asked whether or not a “deal” had been made with the Chamber to receive a large financial kick-back if Lodging Council and Chamber of Commerce agreed to the bed tax increase, would city council and negotiating parties with both Chamber and Lodging answer “Yes” or “No.” In other words, was the “deal” already consummated prior to the dog and pony show performed at city council meetings?

  27. Sharlett says:

    @ Janice C – no fraud here. My name actually is Sharlett. I live within the City limits and put my head down on the pillow address that is on my voter registration card which allows me to LEGALLY vote in City elections Vs using my Business address (which, in my case, is also within the City limits) unlike it seems Mr Segner does because he really does not LIVE in Sedona.

    Unlike Steve S: I don’t own a home up the Canyon that I rent out to weddings and thereby circumvent the City Sales Tax issues. Nor do I utilize Mr Segner’s folly of Gorilla Tactics mentality as he’s thinking he’s so much smarter and in fact is much more devious and destructive than this town deserves. Again, unlike Segner, I did not sink a ton of money into campaigns in order to protect my concepts and business. Instead I took a higher road and wanted the past election to be an unbiased election……just let the facts get them elected. Dumb Me!

    His tactics (according to him) worked and now my question to him is: If and since you are so assured of your Gorilla Tactics – have you now secured your Presidential race and win? Will you be the new President of the US of A?

    Both Steve S and Janice – please grab your back sides and start over with some level of respect for the rest of the world rather than believing you rule the world.

    One other point needing to be made: Reality is that most people who have brains in this town and who disagree with the current council and city staff – are in Fact afraid of retaliation on all levels. Fact.

    Fact: We all need to learn the new mantra and need to Deal with it and then somehow stop the Crap of retaliation and lets get back to People expressing ideas (that obviously will differ from other’s ideas) and honor intelligence and the right of free speech and expression of free speech. Could I remind you both that by disagreeing with you does not make anyone right? – it is a Constitutional Right we all enjoy.

    Both you and Steve S and a wide variety of elected and Staff continue to attempt to Dumb Us Down. Get over it and get on with a better place to live that both sides can agree with! How hard would that novel concept be?

  28. @sharlett

    I CALL BULL SHI*!

    Now that you said that you live within the city limits I am sure that your name is not actually sharlett.

    my daughter works for the county elections and did a search for anyone named sharlett living in the city limits OR VOC and could find no one listed with that name.

    So unless you are one of the 30 sharletts registered to vote in the rest of AZ or your name is not sharlett like you say, you are a fake.

    Have a blessed day ya all!

  29. If, sir or madam, your daughter did use the election roles for your personal vendetta, and I’ll take your statement as factual and your daughter’s head should roll. As a county voter, your county or local city election board employees should be vetted for personal searches. I will hazard a guess that the search was conducted via a computer terminal? BUT if you are an unpleasant blusterer and misspoke and YOU ran a random computer search for Arizona Sharllett’s then you owe at the least the lady an apology. Say what you will but avoid being an ass. People in Sedona have a rotten reputation around the county as it is. Question for people reading this? You’d miss this for week old PRINT news? Time for my eggs and bacon and buttered toast with coffee and cream and sugar and table top conversation courtesy of here. Another pleasant valley Sunday!

  30. Janice C says:

    Sharlett

    Bs is as Bs does

    BS equals Sharlett

    I actually heard your REAL name is Julianna

  31. BJ says:

    @Just Askin’

    It’s interesting that no one has addressed your question. Was a deal made with the Chamber/Lodging Council before the issue ever hit the public council meetings?

    My intuition is telling me “Yes, the destination marketing contract was a done deal, made in the shadows of transparency.” No wonder Requests for Proposals were off the table. No wonder the Chamber spent city revenue to hire a professional ad agency in Phoenix. At least that was an acknowledgment they were not qualified for the contract in the first place.

    Most of the above rhetorical comments amount to nothing more than smoke and mirrors to cover up how this city government is really functioning (or non-functioning might be a better term.)

    Wasn’t the money spent and questionable campaign tactics employed during the recent election for the purpose of making certain the trend for Chamber/Lodging control will continue? And just who are the bullies here?

    BTW, Sedona is within two counties: Yavapai AND Coconino

  32. News Flash says:

    @Yavapai Golly Gee Whiz

    Really???

  33. Just Sayin' says:

    @Yavapai Golly Gee Whiz

    Not the smartest reply about Sharlett being “outed” as the fraud that she is.

    I’m guessing that you don’t know that all info, even voting, is available from either of the counties under the Freedom of Information law. All you have to do is stop in at the counter, fill out the form and away you go……

  34. Sir or madam, thank you for that information. Do those in the know know if there are records kept for those requesting information? Didn’t your daughter do it because she’s an employee? Or did you misspeak and fill out a request? Round and round we go, where truth starts nobody knows? Now am going to get ready for roast beef, potatoes, gravy, beets and cornbread after caesar salad with extra garlic and croutons. It’s time for supper, my wife made homemade brownies and pecan pie for dessert with whipped cream and ice cream too. Retired life is nice.

  35. Sharlett says:

    You guys/gals are really amusing! All I’ve ever asked for was to get truthful and clear answers. Yet you guys/gals, instead, just continue to circumvent and avoid the most important questions by deflecting away from the real issues to those that are not relevant. Get back on Track!

    @News Flash Not and to @Janice and to the rest of the diversionary group: I’m not Julianna. That said I am a person who believes factual, without Gorilla Tactics, is the means to move our community forward.

    All you do is a game of diversion away from the most important conversations and City business. Your tactics clearly show you don’t want to be accountable – instead you just want to bully us and circumvent the real issues and answers in order to fluff up your personal wants having nothing to do with Health, Safety and Welfare of Sedona. How tough would truth be?

    How about just truthful answers instead on continuing to dodge the truth? Doesn’t Truth equate to better and more transparent government?

  36. Let not circumvent the truth Sharlett

    What’s your real name and where do you live?
    Since you asked that very same question of Steve and lambasted him for the information he gave..

    What’s up with you? Just a truthful answer..
    I trust you won’t since you are a fraud… Julianna..

  37. Just Sayin' says:

    @Sharlett

    What a hypocrite you are, on every line of your posting.

  38. So far I’ve remained an observer to this ongoing exchange but no longer am able to refrain from asking of those who demand the “true” identity of “Sharlett” (@West Sedona Resident, @Just Sayin’, @News Flash to mention a few) why it is they are unwilling to identify themselves? For them to remain anonymous and at the same time accuse anyone else of not being who they are ~~~ well it just doesn’t make any sense to me. Any wise and sensible explanation for this?

  39. Just Sayin' says:

    @Jerry, Sedona City Limits-

    You have “remained an observer” and with the above 88 posted comments you still can’t grasp what the issue is with Sharlett? So, I’m guessing no matter what we say here, you still won’t get it. Sad very very sad.

  40. Well guess what? Just watch TV channel news and read all about Sedona.

    Fox News (Channel 10) @ 5:00 PM featured arrest of Phoenix policeman over the weekend. Seems he and his girlfriend had a brawl @ Olde Sedona Bar & Grille.

    Showed Phx. cop with cut on upper nose and bandage on his head. Report unclear. Cop said girlfriend did the damages but then it seemed the bartender might have been the one to break up fight. Bottom line: cop was arrested. now released from jail. will be @ discretion of Sedona police what to do next.

    Great photos of Olde Sedona Bar & Grille and Kings Ransom where the couple were staying.

    Hey Regional Chamber of Commerce. Want to take credit for this Phoenix breaking publicity? For sure it didn’t cost one penny of the $1.3 mil you pre-negotiated w/city council prior to public discussion IMO.

  41. Sharlett says:

    Sharlett is Not Julianna so forget that perionia routine. I don’t know where you “heard” your information @Janice C and would strongly suggest you check out their ability related to facts. I live in and am registered to vote in Sedona.

    Steve Segner has only answered that he sold one lot and did in fact initiate Gorilla Tactics politicial garbage of which he is very proud of doing but never answeres as to where he Really lives. So my questions remain the same.

    @Jerry, Sedona City Limits – thanks for your words and concept of reality – just who are all those unnamed wiser than us folks?

  42. Cali Sedonan says:

    Steve Segner used his place of business as his residence in order to vote on City items. He lives outside the city. Most states this is illegal. Arizona has a loophole. Segner gets away with this because he owns a B&B. Most states prohibit this. Loophole does not make it OK. Segner has to lie and say he stays at his business overnight routinely. Fraud IMO

    Bed tax is down read the report, Segners only has a few rooms and it is not a big sales tax- bed tax contributor. Less than 15 rooms is a big difference to a 150 room hotel. Small, tiny. Don’t forget he has to subtract at least one room as HE LIVES there!
    No return on investment city of Sedona . Free money to Segner’s tiny b&b. tiny b&b, tiny mind………..do the math………Sedona is the laughing stock………
    @Jerry well it just doesn’t make any sense to me either. No morality IMO.

  43. Jerry…this is an unusual forum where most anyone can express their opinion. However, only certain opinions matter here, such as those expressed by Sharlett, J. Rick, Jean J.,Eddie & a few others. Anyone who challenges anything they say will be roundly attacked. You ask why are they unwilling to identify themselves…I posted under my own name and the bullies here looked me up online and posted misinformation about me and attacked me for what they supposedly found. I’ve seen it happen to others and its always the same methods.

    Anonymous Sharlett attacked Segner for his supposed issues and demanded things of him that she had no business doing. Yet she won’t identify herself. Others are asking the same of her as she asks of others. So Jerry, feel free to express yourself here, but be careful what you say as they will turn on you too.

  44. @Alarmed and paying attention

    You are spot on!

    Because of those that you mentioned above, this site has turned so offensive. Why would anyone want to use a real name or even bother posting anything. I think that it’s time for the owner of this site to take it down. Nuff Said

  45. But J. Rick Normand, Jean J, Eddie Maddock, among others identify themselves as Sharlett also claims. Seems there’s one comment from Maddock disputing a comment about USFS buildings that Segner blamed her for. She did not. It was someone else. Did Segner apologize or correct his misinformation? Not that I know of. Segner deserves credit for using his own name though. So I’m not sure why these other people won’t stand up and say who they are. That’s all.

    For possible repercussion of course that’s a problem in Sedona and unfortunately it’s true. But none of this helps to solve this ongoing problem of nasty attacks and most of them are coming from those who question certain actions taken by the Sedona city council involving spending of public money. And what’s the problem with that?

  46. anonymous says:

    Sad that nothing changes in Sedona. Bullies pushing the small guy around.

    Those that control the money and the city use the gorilla marketing to maintain control.

    Anyone that speaks up using their real name gets bullied out of town. Sad but true.

  47. Marge says:

    @Rose on Coffee Pot:

    Really? You ask the owner of this site to “take it down?” And just who is it coerced you and the almost 100 others to post comments here?Do most of you people even think about what you write or is your anger so consuming it forces you to fail practicing what you preach?

  48. Jim, uptown says:

    How ironic that liberals of Sedona hate free speech and are intolerant of differences. Count this reader and many friends as fans. Let the verbal rebellion continue.

  49. James Poole says:

    @rose on coffee pot @steve segner @west sedona resident @Just Sayin’ your behavior is what made me vote no on home rule. You all need to go to anger management classes. Greedy controlling hate mongers. Sedona Eye thank you for giving us a voice and letting the facts come out.

  50. Roger says:

    Of course it’s impossible to go back but if we could and the city had not manipulated the increased bed tax/destination marketing contract with the C of C and Lodging Council would any of this discussion be occurring?

    The entire election as it turned out was a contrived effort to elect only those who would continue to feed the pot at the Regional Chamber/Lodging Council with “Tourism” now thrown into the mix. All one need do is check the financial backers of those who were elected. And those newly elected better be prepared to serve those who paid the price for their admission.

    We now are sitting in a rattlesnake pit. Don’t believe it? Read the comments from those who are really doing the attacking. (and they aren’t Rick, Jean, Eddie, Sharlett or others who would dare to complain that this city council has been less than forthright in their negotiations.)

    We are stuck with what we have. Guerilla methods, as Steve Segner has also been honest to admit, served those well who are now in control. For sure Sedona will never be the same because the harm inflicted is deep, lasting, and irrevocable.

    It is what it is so again to those who didn’t vote (and most likely don’t give a hoot about this anyway) it probably doesn’t matter. In another place on this web site the “New Voices” have made clear their intentions so don’t ever say they, too, were deceptive. The “New Voices” will be taking their oath of office on November 25th = SHOWTIME!

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