SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie S. Maddock
Sedona AZ – At a Special Sedona City Council Meeting, 3:00 Wednesday afternoon on January 11, 2017, after three long years of a contentious destination marketing agreement with the Sedona Chamber of Commerce, the City will again revisit the issue. We can only hope the negotiations will prove to be less controversial, fairer, and, in turn, result in acceptable transparency which will dismiss suspicion and mistrust of City Hall dealings. That might very well have been the case had the original commitment for Requests for Proposals (RFPs) as well as certified outside audits been upheld as proposed during the initial negotiations. Ignoring both valid concerns was a disservice to everyone.
Five options will be discussed at this meeting as follows:
Option 1: Move forward with the negotiations of a new contract with the Chamber of Commerce.
Option 2: Issue an RFP for tourism promotion services.
Option 3: Create a stand-alone destination marketing organization (DMO) without ties to the Chamber of Commerce.
Option 4: Create a City Department to handle tourism promotion.
Option 5: Issue a Request for Qualifications (RFQ) for a travel industry consultancy to assess the current structure, funding relationships, etc. and provide recommendations to the city.
Pros and cons of each option will be discussed at length, such as concerns RFPs will include bids from for-profit agencies. That brings up several questions. Without an official outside audit from a qualified source, how do they know the Chamber has not been making a profit? How many employees have they hired? What has been the cost of improvement to its own facilities, etc? And what is the source of funding for those operating expenses?
And will the City acknowledge the Chamber currently offers its own RFPs for specific services, realistically reducing it to a mere middle-agency, acting on behalf of the City of Sedona?
And how do they justify the extended branding of the Sedona Chamber of Commerce that has occurred within the past three years? What has been the source of that promotional funding for the Chamber instead of the City?
By creating a stand-alone destination marketing organization, the City could avoid real or perceived conflicts between tourism promotion services and the various other functions of the Chamber of Commerce. Although they specify… it is unclear how local and regional partners would react… why should that concern the City? Should their focus at long last be redirected to the residents of incorporated Sedona? They are the people who created the City in the first place, clearly, and with the knowledge it attracted tourists.
Sure, a stand-alone destination marketing organization would result in the re-creation of an already established and successful local agency. However the extent of success of the present local agency has never been undisputedly proven. The source of increased revenue after the great recession coupled with a reduction in gasoline prices has never factually been factored into the increased tourism and resulting upswing in revenue. Nor has it been determined to what extent advertising monies have merely resulted in excessive daytripping, which the City’s infrastructure clearly cannot handle.
As for the suggestion for Request for Qualifications (RFQ) for a travel industry consultancy to assess and monitor the current structure, would that be nothing more than a babysitter for the contract with the Chamber of Commerce? Should the City have been serving that function for the past three years?
It has frequently been said the City could not afford to operate their stand-alone department. And how would they know? With a Chamber of Commerce now providing funding for USFS trail maintenance, contributing money back to the City for their traffic study, and other generous but questionably frivolous expenditures, most recently to propose purchasing property on behalf of the City with what appears to be leftover funds from the bed tax rebate, how can they make that determination without a precise and reliable audit from an authentic source? They cannot. Is there any reasonable explanation why the City should not take responsibility for allocating the bed tax revenue – all of it – including over and above destination marketing?
And the perfect opportunity to establish a genuine Sedona Visitors Center has been ignored by not including such a service at the Western Gateway. How long will this City tolerate discrimination of their own legitimate licensed, tax collecting businesses within City Limits unless they are forced to be members of what clearly is a regional Chamber of Commerce? And the practice of paid referrals is common, but should the City be involved by financing the activity with public funds and further discriminating against in-city businesses?
Molly Spangler recently hired by the city of Sedona AZ as its Economic Development Director.
With the recent hiring of a professional, Molly Spangler, to serve as Economic Development Director, there is really no need to burden our busy Chamber of Commerce with more additional duties besides servicing its members, which is the purpose of its non-profit organization.
Since when was the Sedona Chamber of Commerce & Tourism Bureau deemed the “Destination Marketing & Management Organization in Sedona for 65 years?” Up until just a few years ago was it not the Oak Creek Canyon Sedona Chamber of Commerce, then changed to Sedona Chamber of Commerce, and most recently “& Tourism Bureau” was tacked on? This elaborate extension of creating yet another illusion that simply does not exist is pretty much over the top. Wouldn’t you agree? Dumb question.
There is already a campaign in motion to “Make America Great Again.” How about a local endeavor to “Make Sedona Respectable Again”? Meet and greet our visitors with an authentic Sedona Visitors Center and related advertising?
Don’t we deserve it like other places?
Flagstaff (AZ) and Park City (UT) are but two examples that offer proof they survive very well without financial support to their respective Chambers of Commerce.
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Timely news report. CBS News. Steve Segner got an important fact wrong for VOC-Sedona. Attention corporations – we’re not growing at all.
Rounding out the Census Bureau’s list of 20 fastest growing metro areas are the following:
Florida, Texas, (Bend) Oregon, ( St. George) Utah, the Carolinas, (Greely) Colorado has the top 9 growth areas in the US followed by:
10. Naples-Immokalee-Marco Island, Florida, up 2.5 percent
11. Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, Texas, up 2.5 percent
12. Fort Collins, Colorado, up 2.4 percent
13. Hilton Head Island-Bluffton-Beaufort, South Carolina, up 2.4 percent
14. Daphne-Fairhope-Foley, Alabama, up 2.4 percent
15. Raleigh, North Carolina, up 2.3 percent
16. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, Florida, up 2.2 percent
17. Charleston-North Charleston, South Carolina, up 2.2 percent
18. North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, Florida, up 2.2 percent
19. Panama City, Florida, up 2.2 percent
20. Boise City, Idaho, up 2.1 percent
Steve, where’s Phoenix? It’s definitely NOT the fastest growing. Could find no chart indicating it close to that. What’s your source?
More people moved to Maricopa County than any other county in the country last year, according to U.S. Census Bureau population estimates released Thursday.
Maricopa County’s population jumped by nearly 74,000 people — a 1.7 percent increase. The county’s growth helped it maintain its rank as the fourth most populous county in the country, with 4,307,033 residents.
Clark County in Nevada saw the next largest gain with a 47,355-person increase. All of the top-10 largest-gaining counties were in the South or the West.
RELATED: Arizona’s population tops 7 million for the first time, Census Bureau says
The new data only includes population estimates as of July 1, 2017, for counties and metropolitan areas, not individual cities.
Although Phoenix overtook Philadelphia as the fifth largest city last year, the Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale metropolitan area is only the 11th largest metro area, with 4,737,270 people (the metro area includes part of Pinal County, which is why th
Someday you’ll understand the difference between percentage growth an actual number growth
Attempting to reason with an arrogant air-head like Steve Segner might be compared to blowing up a balloon with a pinhole in it. However and even more unfortunate, most people understand that except those at city hall who are approving policies. Yet another reason to:
VOTE NO ON HOME RULE
And PS – apparently there is a movement attempting to tie in Sedona City government to have something to do with the current Sedona School DISTRICT considering the closure of one or two schools. And even worse, the are insinuating voting down Home Rule has anything to do with that issue. WRONG!
Check the facts, Folks. Get educated – check it out:
https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-city-limits-101-with-eddie-maddock/
HOME RULE – VOTE NO, NO, NO
Nation has 3,142 counties, with 57 percent gaining in the last year. (2018 government census report)
Per the census, growth is primarily the result of domestic migration, meaning, somebody relocated within the counties (a county lost while another gained). This is evenly supported between death and birth in counties, and those moving up or down economically. The government 57% statistic above supports why Maricopa county and Prescott metro region (which includes Cottonwood and Camp Verde) gained while Sedona lost and continues to lose its residential tax base and must rely on tourism to sustain its budget.
If our city council and city staff were half as smart as you attempt to have us believe you are @Steve segner says, April 12, 2018 at 4:58 pm is there any doubt Sedona would truly be trouble free, population growing, contented residents without complaints, quality of life unmatched, and the utter Utopia as you endlessly continue trying to convince us?
WRONG – IMO you’re nothing but a mouthy windbag trying to blow up that balloon with a pinhole in it! Give it up! It may be your business (interests) as usual but nothing lasts forever.
The Sedona City Manager says
” Traffic, it is our destiny.”
Sounds like something Darth Vader would say.
Let’s reject him and his group. Lets go with the force, we can have the positive nature of Sedona Back.
No to Home Rule, no to all incumbents. Then, when the force is in control, send all current Sedona Council and management off into space.
fire him before he ruins us
We have beautiful Sedona tied to the railroad tracks, Snidely Whiplash saying “Traffic is our Destiny.” If this does now stop now Sedona will be gone, and people will say why didn’t someone do something? You are that someone, the towns people need to rally.
Throw the bums out !!! No on home rule !!!
Reason #2,502,865 the city/chamber contract to advertise Sedona, including destination marketing, should be cancelled immediately (same amount of dollars Chamber received from City Sedona fiscal year 2018):
Arizona Republic, Saturday, April 14, 2018, page 6D: Full page ad promoting Sedona hiking trails. All easy trips to encourage more tourists which we CANNOT HANDLE.
Traffic backed up in all directions by noon again today coming into Sedona. That money should rightfully be spent toward road improvement projects and, if necessary, cancel the half-percent increase in bed tax which started this nightmare in the first place. If Home Rule is turned down you won’t be able to spend it anyway, suckers!
You lie.
Traffic was fine today…
Go complain about your own town..bye
However we know your a local resident complaining
@patsy orlando- have no idea what time of day you were out but what I wrote was the honest to God’s truth. And FYI as a resident of Sedona I resent you implying I should go complain to my own hometown. That’s exactly where I did complain but via SedonaEye because our city council or city staff DO NOT CARE.
I legitimately vote in Sedona. Do You?
Geeze Traffic sucked most of the afternoon. Between the food truck lights cars in west sedona to Tlaq walkers No one could get around.
I had no problem getting around town today driving… why must you people complain about EVERYTHING!!!!
FYI the food trucks were up at posse grounds duh.. what you got a problem now with that also!
Thank you for the Chino Valley Traffic report Karen. As the majority of Sedona City and Fire employees, about 70%, do not live in Sedona we appreciate the local traffic reports of those less congested areas. Don’t expect us to put up with this mismanagement forever. We are fed up. Many of you should avoid the rush and look for a job in the town where you live.
An honest complaint is better than a lie. Lies are toxic, you have experienced that enough to have learned by now.
“Thank you for the Chino Valley Traffic report Karen. ”
Unable to locate such a report. And who is Karen? Will appreciate clarification.
Thank you.
Your crazyvhave no idea of what you talk about.
Patsy Orlando = PO’d in Sedona says:
Full page” ad” promoting Sedona hiking trails
Really ? And just who ran the ad?
And who paid for it ?
Or could it have been a article ?
These Sedona hikes run circles around the best red-rock scenery
Slim Shady is a popular mountain biking route connecting
Slim Shady is a popular mountain biking route connecting of 12
This is call an article not an ad ?????
No one paid
Sedona is a tourist town and papers write about us all the time , we will grow you will not stop it ,
The city manager is correct & Traffic, it is our destiny. he is just stating the facts, working on some traffic fixes,is the answers.
There has only been 180 new hotel units built in the last 10 years – last year 1000 new short-term rentals on the market you do the math….
This happened because our state government,and the Goldwater Institute, passed a stupid law, not local government or the chamber.
Some of you say NO on HOME RULE; VOTE NO, NO, NO and that will that fix what? $
$20,000,000 is the new number that Sedona will not be not be able to spend, no new roads, no paving, no new traffic work up town, , if you can not handle traffic in a growing city just move. You will not stop it. The citizens are not stupid or NIMBY’s they want government and roads projects.
Yet another reason to dismiss at least one of Sedona’s “business as usual” policies.
In June of 2016 Williams, AZ, decided to stop funding their local Chamber of Commerce. Williams (AZ) continued to support the chamber but not financially because it was ascertained by so doing and seeking RFP’s for marketing tourism the town could save around $90,000 annually in its budget.
That’s chicken feed here. Sedona could save on the up-rise of what has now, since 2013 when the City/Chamber contract was assigned, become in excess of two million . . . and that’s dollars, folks! Any more questions?
@Steve Segner. Thank you for helping to clarify the point I was attempting to make. It was indeed my error to not have specified the publicity about Sedona hiking trails as appearing in a featured article. However that becomes even more profound in expressing the amount of free advertising and lip service Sedona receives.
Operative words: LIP SERVICE. What better reason is there to ix-nay the C of C contract with the city of Sedona and takes advantage of what’s already out there. Good point, Mr. Segner! Add it to the wise decision made by Williams AZ @Eddie Maddock.
Senator Chuck Schumer, a Democrat from New York, has sent a letter to the State Department urging that “all available levers of influence and persuasion should be employed to secure Mr. Tercero’s prompt extradition.”
He’s an illegal who murdered a college kid in Schumer’s NY.
Democrats doing business as usual, after always saying the opposite. That’s why they can’t stand President Trump who walks the walk.
One way to make certain Sedona administration (council and staff) do make a change from business as usual will be to vote NO on Home Rule. That will force them to cut pork to Chamber and other alleged nonprofits and stick to the basics of providing adequate infrastructure and other essentials. Cut the staff and remove unnecessary departments and giveaway programs at Parks & Recreation. Not necessary! No more Business as Usual at City Hall if their free money wagon is limited.
I think the best way is to vote NO on home rule. Sedona was here before there was a city of Sedona and all the promises that were made to get a city were broken.
If we vote NO on Home Rule, it does not matter who is on the city council, the give aways will stop. They say they won’t pave our roads, the don’t do it now. The vast majority of money spent on road paving is on the one mile uptown, they have spent millions on that. The county would do a far better job.
No on Home Rule, it’s the only way to be sure.
It’s true. counties did a much better job at maintaining our roads. The amount of dust and dirt these days is atrocious, It’s bad enough we haven’t had any rain, but where are the maintenance trucks to keep out roads cleaner? No services are provided except police and sewer to those connected. The city is a fraud! NO on Home Rule if for nothing else than to STOP the money-grab from special interests including what the city staff has turned into. “Yes” people to their favorite “buds.” Sickening, disgusting. Changes must be made.
More business as usual. Now the president of the Sedona Lodging Council has gone big time with spreading more nonsense about vacation rentals being the reason for all the increased traffic.
More hype without a shred of proof. For one thing, existing properties operating as short term rentals do NOT bring in more traffic. (unlike 90 room hotels) Garages are already provided and in most subdivisions parking on the streets isn’t allowed. DUH!
And there’s no mention that the asinine C of C waste of money on promoting Sedona causes an influx of daytrippers. Another DUH! Sedona was already discovered without reminders at the Phoenix airport and elsewhere you mindless hypocrites.
Maybe the whiner attempting to blame Ducey for signing SB1350 is getting a taste of the nasty medicine that’s been crammed down the throats of residents for way too long. Suck it up. Grow up. Facts of life.
And on the subject of county health permits, do they apply to all existing B & B’s? If not then better practice what you preach. Just asking.
Bravo, Bravo, Bravo and a stand up ovation for your astute observation of the hard-to-come-by commentary in a local print paper. Looks as if their hype’s already started. Be prepared for more. Last week there was a beg & plea to support Home Rule. More reasons to vote NO?
Isn’t it interesting how recent Eye comments are one or two liners relating to what might be considered diversions to major issues? Or is that just my imagine? While Rome burns, let the fiddlers continue to distract? Forget the give-aways to C of C, The Hub, money for the USFS & School District (product development). Let’s chit-chat and fill up comments to allow them to fiddle as Sedona goes down in flame. And let’s hope that won’t come to pass – figuratively and literally.
Have you been on facebook lately?
They still think they can get the city to finance the schools.
No doubt they were working on getting money. They still are.
From Charles Hugh Smith, of Two Minds
“Unlike Communist regimes which strictly control who has permission to transfer residency, Americans are still free to move about the nation. This creates a very Darwinian competition between sclerotic, corrupt, overpriced one-party-dictatorship states whose hubris-soaked political class is convinced the insane housing prices, tech unicorns, abundant services, and a high-brow culture ruled by an artsy elite are irresistible to everyone, and locales that are low-cost, responsive to the Tax Donkey class, welcoming to new small businesses, employers and talent, unbeholden to a politically-correct dictatorship and conservatively managed, i.e. not headed for insolvency, are no match for their elitist fiefdoms.” I would add, tourist tax driven to the above.
I know of a number of residents that are planning to leave if the current regime gets re elected. Of course the tax feeders will say “good riddance”, but for those of you that would like to stay in Sedona, I would recommend you get out and vote, and support those candidates that want to change things. This may be your last chance. I for one am leaving if this group of spendthrift tourist first stay in charge.
NO ON HOME RULE !!!!
Sedona Lodging Council
May 8,8:30 Sedona Rouge the city manager will be talking
On Home Rule, public welcome
Tony please come and ask your questions you are running for Mayor
Love to hear your thoughts on the “No” on home
Our last meeting on traffic we had a large turn out.
Tony still looking for you letter to the editor you said you sent to RR News
Well if the Sedona City Manager (Justin Clifton?) decides to speak in public in defense of supporting Home Rule ain’t that agin’ the law? An attempt to influence the outcome of an election? Seems that subject was addressed someplace or other not too long ago. Oh – oops – forgot. Somehow and for some reason Sedona seems to be above State Law. Nice work, City Attorney!!!
@Steve segner
Is this going to be like the last Sedona Lodging Council meeting that was supposed to be on Home Rule that turned into a traffic presentation by the city manager?
The one where the city manager said ” Traffic is our Destiny !! ”
In this one is he going to say ” Excessive spending is our Destiny !!” ???
How about ” We gave $2.5 million to the chamber of commerce this past fiscal year, it is our destiny to give them even more next year !!” ???
What if the voters want to change their destiny?
I would like to see a quote from a new Sedona City council about the current Sedona city manager ” Unemployment is his destiny ! “
Use of City or County Funds to Educate the Public on Ballot Measures= The Legislature has prohibited cities and counties from using resources “for the purpose of influencing the outcome of elections.” Arizona Revised Statutes (“A.R.S.”) §§ 9-500.14, 11-410. These statutes prohibit general fund expenditures that support or oppose measures that have not yet qualified for the ballot as well as measures that have qualified for the ballot. Whether the prohibitions in A.R.S. §§ 9-500.14 and 11-410 extend to educational materials that do not expressly advocate for or against a measure requires analysis of the specific materials and the circumstances relating to their distribution to determine whether the materials are “for the purpose of influencing the outcome of election.”
Just one thing missing from your comment. Please add “and include the Asst. City Manager too.” That would be a big start towards cleaning out Sedona’s swamp at city hall. Get rid of all those who kiss up to the regional chamber of commerce and their cronies. Begone!!
Vote NO on Home Rule. Cut off the funding. No matter who’s elected to city council.
When they try once again to hold us hostage by threatening to defer mitigating traffic congestion if we vote against Home Rule, keep this in mind. . If addressing that huge problem had been an ongoing priority, we wouldn’t be in this mess today.
Approving dense and thoughtless development without FIRST addressing potential consequences has proven time and time again to be both wasteful and costly.
A prime example is approving Tlaquepaque North without considering the impact of foot traffic. Just that one situation has resulted in frequent back ups to at least Back O’Beyond on many occasions.
The list could go on and on.
Folks . . threatening to ignore the traffic situation will be nothing new should the miraculous event occur of tightening their purse strings by voting NO on Home Rule. Business as usual. Big deal. Why should the flatlanders expect anything else?
Home Rule in Sedona grows government not community. The more this city gets themore the government takes. It’s a government free for all. Just go to the city website and look at 2018-2019 city budget. There are so many requesition forms for money it is nuts. Every department in the city gov. is requesting more money. While the citizens are fleeing out of this city thegovernment is growing at a furios pace. Home Rule works for cities that care about their residents and stakeholders however this city only cares about how rich they can get from the peoples money. If Home Rule gets voted down than the city could reduce taxes and sewer fees which would stimulate the local economy. Stop the giveaways and end useless programs that hinder local business. Take the trumped up power away from this city government and restore sanity. Vote a resounding no on Home Rule. Join Sedona Quality of Life movement. Residents for Residents. On Facebook.
JJ said
If Home Rule gets voted down than the city could reduce taxes and sewer fees which would stimulate the local economy.
Sorry jj, the local is economy is booming, and dropping the sewer fees 5% or % 1.50 to $5.00 will not help
J, as you stated reduce taxes and sewer fees, sewers are paid for by a fee, and money from bed and sale tax make up the short fall.
With a “NO on Home Rule”vote the city will have 50% less usable income and by state law and Fees can go up , so sewer fee will be the first thing the city will looks at,
making the sewer fee cover the entire cost running waste water plant would be a logical step. Hope that helps be careful what you wish for.
You make no sense. If Sedona is forced to live within a budget, then the problem won’t be in needing more taxes. They will be unable to pay for unnecessary garbage like the contract with the chamber of commerce. DUH! And no need to bring up the asinine half% bed tax increase. They will be able to relinquish that since it, too, will sit in a piggy bank waiting for a ray of sunshine when the residents get members on the city council who will cease and desist with all the unnecessary pork spending. Get it?
RESIDENTS FIRST
Steve said one true thing. We can make the bed tax pay for part of the sewer, instead of giving $2.5 million to the Chamber, we can cut that entirely. We only need to give .5% for the bed tax for tourism, not the 55% the chamber gets. There are millions in savings toward reducing traffic and your sewer fees.
If I’m elected, the sewer fee will go up, for hotels. Steve charges $359 per night according to Expedia. Let him pay a higher share and reduce residents fees. Let the business pay their fair share , right now residents pay the majority of the sewer cost but hotels are the majority users.
Let’s raise the tourist business cost in Sedona. Steve gets rich charging top dollar for his hotel rooms. Steve admits he has multiple homes, while he is happy to tax you out of yours to make more profit for his hotel.
Quit sticking it to the residents.
We need new leadership.
Best part of REJECTING on home rule is that YOU sir and YOUR chamber membership WON’T get a penny.
I am voting No. And YES the Residents and in-city businesses would be a local stimulus that would get locals shopping in our town VOTE NO STOP FUNDING the chamber.
Ill winds continue to blow in Sedona both internally and externally. It’s bone dry and 500 homes near Payson are being threatened by an existing wildfire.
Yet the leaders of this city of Sedona continue to sit wearing blinders, oblivious to potential pending events to which Mother Nature is trying so darn hard to wise them up.
The only possible opportunity we might have to reverse this destructive process could possibly be in the hands of those who really matter- Sedona Voters. Of course don’t forget that among those voters lurks the root of the problem – Sedona Chamber of Commerce, Lodging Council, and elected people who acquiesce to their every demand.
A start will be to vote NO on Home Rule – repeated over and over again on SedonaEye. You will read the opposite in the RRNews, already on the editorial side of the reigning minority.
Either maintain Business as Usual or put a refreshing spin on our quality of life. Out with the old; in with the new. It’s quite possibly now or never.
@ Out of control. So well put. The powers that be really do not regard the sedona citizens as stakeholders. Only the very few have the regard of this city. Take our city back from the special interests. Vote No on Home Rule!
Heads up Sedona residents fed up with the direction Sedona is headed. Read the words from @Out of Control and take heed. Want change? It isn’t too late. Take action! Vote NO on home rule and be selective when voting for mayor and council members incumbents and/or replacements. Stop the rampant spending. NO ON HOME RULE! The only thing that will get their attention. Please No More Business As Usual!!
(deleted by editor) Vote Yes on HOMERULE (deleted by editor)
Thinking I could make a quick run into Sedona to do banking and grocery shop (like to take advantage of shopping specials) attempted to get to the bank by opening @9:00. Well forget that. Traffic was already backed up to Morgan Road! So much for blaming the situation on staggering spring breaks. It’s impossible. From now on will go to Cottonwood to shop for what isn’t available out here. The Golden Goose has been so overcooked even leftovers have become tasteless.
To the very rude person @Homerule YES. Is that the best argument you have to support vote yes on home rule? Prefaced by and followed by comments apparently so inappropriate they were deleted by the SE editor? That explicit action alone gives me cause to vote no. Such a ridiculous non-argument to support your position actually spoke volumes. Thank you!!:-)
Debating these pro Home Rule people, and that includes steve Segner is a battle of wits with an unarmed person. They know they are just stealing from taxpayers, but they refuse to admit it.
It is such a huge insult by Segner calling Arizona Wallmart. He needs to be run out of town. He can take the chamber, city council and his pet city employees with him. Most city employees, like Segner, don’t live in Sedona anyway.
No on Home Rule, No to all incumbents, No to any chamber funding, imo cancel your subscription to the Red Rock News.
NO, NO ,NO, NO.
No I had ALOT more to say but SE is biased and wound not post my comment…
Yes on homerule.
Btw most that post here are the same person ….
Take the above Mike H…
Same person new name…
You get it
@@sedona voter. So you had a lot more to say? And SE wouldn’t post it? Then try taking it to the RRN but only if they agree w/your opinion. SE posts all sides of an argument. Too many of us know that isn’t true with the RRN.
And BTW – if it makes you feel better to think only one person is posting comments with which you don’t agree, maybe that’s just wishful thinking. Apparently you are among those sitting in that Ivory Tower who remains clueless about the growing unrest of actual Sedona residents. The result of this coming election will really be the deciding factor.
No your wrong……
And no matter how many times you post using different names you’ll still be wrong..
BTW not in an ivory tower…..just a simple homeowner here in Sedona… I don’t mind paying taxes and I don’t think I’m Entitled to anything from the bedtax..
I like Mary j fisher and enjoy some of the movies I go to. I enjoy biking and hiking also . I enjoy Sedona… if all you see is negative I suggest you leave.. real estate is up and you’d probally make a good profit.
Guess what…..Things change over the course of 10 20 or 30 years I’m most town/cities in the county… So those like Tony T who think your gonna go back “ to the good ole days” I want what your smoking but please keep your BS to yourself
I also don’t think traffic is outrageous and I get tired of hearing your b****** and (deleted by editor) posts regarding Sedona