SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock
Sedona AZ (July 15, 2015) – For those of you who aren’t aware of Sedona City Limits, here are the approximate locations:
Coming North on SR 179, there’s a City Limits sign shortly before the Little Horse Trail Head. It jogs west, then turns north to Back O’Beyond Road, turning west again to Oak Creek. From there the City Limits follows Oak Creek northeast to a point where it turns west to include Vortex Elev. 4686, the Sedona-Oak Creek Airport, Carroll Canyon Arch, and crosses Red Rock Loop Road slightly south of, but to include, Sedona Red Rock High School and Sedona Cultural Park. Entering Sedona from Cottonwood, the City Limits sign is located shortly before reaching the high school.
Going East, from the designated sign before Little Horse Trail, City Limits ends pretty much where the USFS land begins, bearing north and bordering the Munds Mountain Wilderness Area to slightly beyond Schnebly Hill Road where City Limits bears to the east, then again turns north to a point slightly beyond Midgley Bridge. From Midgley Bridge going west, City Limits remain within the section designated from Little Horse Trail to Coffee Pot Rock, jogging at that point slightly south, continuing west again, then south, then west, then north, ending a short distance after the Dry Creek Boynton Canyon road split. This jogging section is around the Secret Mountain Wilderness Area.
Sedona AZ
In a nutshell, City Limits lies within the area from Back O’Beyond, Midgley Bridge, Boynton Canyon, and Sedona High School. Continuing South on Red Rock Loop Road, City Limits cuts eastward to connect with Oak Creek Canyon and follows the route to meet up with Back O’ Beyond, then south around Cathedral Rock, continuing east to the point of City Limits entry on SR 179.
The source of this information is provided on a map of Sedona, a product of J & H Publishing LTD, copyright 2011 edition.
Sedona City Limits is not to be confused with the Sedona Fire District or the Sedona-Oak Creek Unified School District which include the Village of Oak Creek, incorporated Sedona, and outlying areas extending to Sedona Pines, Red Rock Crossing, Lower Loop Road, Elmersville, and 86336 zip codes in Oak Creek Canyon beyond Midgley Bridge, as was confirmed by Jody with the Sedona Fire Department.
Sedona City Limits does NOT include all 86336 mailing addresses.
Similarly, the Village of Oak Creek, although identified as “Sedona, AZ” by mailing addresses, does NOT have 86336 zip codes, but clearly does not lie within Sedona City Limits.
Please keep in mind that the original intent for incorporated Sedona was to include the same areas as our School and Fire Districts, which would have in fact included the VOC, Red Rock Crossing, and areas north of Dry Creek and Boynton Canyon Roads. Voters in those areas did not want to be included in incorporated Sedona when the vote was taken, therefore the reason for their omission.
Why do members of the Sedona City Council insist on extending their jurisdiction with unnecessary involvement beyond Sedona City Limits? State law indicates their charge is within the designated boundaries.
Why do the Chamber of Commerce, a regional member driven special interest group, Sedona City Council, and Sedona City Staff have such a difficult time ascertaining the physical location of Chamber members and residents within this very precise designated area?
Get a map. Check it out. “It’s too difficult” is not a valid excuse and should be unacceptable.
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PERFECT!
This is so great to see in writing.
Jennifer W. from the regional chamber told me those exact words. “It’s too difficult” to report the correct membership composition within the city. So she knowingly puts everyone in 86336 along with PO boxes in the city!!!! The sad thing is the City endorses it. All to justify and rationalize the gifting of taxpayers’ money to private special interest group.
Great reminder on the Fire and Schools districts. The region is taking advantage of the city district. They are not entitled to benefit from the city district taxpayers dollars.
Right is might. Strength is in numbers.
This article made my day!
Thank you
Donna Joy Varney
Time for the new city manager to prove his mettle & have the voting rolls cleaned up. Or is he too young & unskilled to get the job done?
Donna & Eddie. Please stop already! We all “GOT IT”!
The two of you are tireless but do you realize that you have pitched those facts for years and it’s done nothing to change.
Please take that same determination to a new issue. There are so many issues in this city (or region) that needs to be brought out to us.
Thank you, “Enough Already,” for acknowledging the facts of City Limits vs. Fire & School Districts.
Maybe, just maybe, if those making decisions and who continue to insist on abusing their power by favoring the policy of promoting outside Sedona City Limits’ businesses would clean up their act, then would be the time to move on. Until then, the gross negligence of the legitimate assignment at hand, which is to govern within Sedona City Limits, will continue to fester to the point where possibly the sleeping giant might wake up and see daylight.
These self-imposed assignments are of my own doing, as an independent contributor, continuing to offer the opportunity for others to express comments as they deem appropriate, hopefully with just a slight bit of dignity and integrity. But, as the saying goes, we must consider the source(s).
Eddie S. Maddock
No Thank You. Since the residents and businesses are being bullied, slandered and pushed around I feel an overwhelming passion to speak out on this misuse of city taxpayers funding. Protect those being abused.
One item which falls into the same category is the HIGH property taxes we have to pay in this region to provide the tourists services, like fire -emergency. Great idea to have those in the region that promote tourists pay us impact fees! They cogs ours roads and use the taxpayers money!
You can’t move unless you change. Growth can’t happen if you’re stuck in the same old wrong ways.
Economic development can’t happen without it. The City needs to make a change, focus on the city district. To continually rationalize in order to justify funding those outside the district is wrong.
We all matter. Every person , the people in the city district. Strength is in numbers. Right is might!
Have a beautiful Sedona day.
Donna Joy Varney
Re 86336:
Please don’t be too hasty to pass judgment on Sedona’s new City Manager, Justin Clifton. My brief experience in communicating with him has been exceptionally positive and forthright. Following is a direct quote from one of his most recent e-mails: “but rest assured the city council’s jurisdiction is limited to the incorporated boundaries of the city.”
Jumping to unfounded conclusions can be not only unfair but tends to diffuse a problem from the real source. In the case of ill conceived jurisdiction with 86336 zip codes, it is the Chamber of Commerce and City Council, and possibly certain staff members, who have refused to acknowledge misrepresentation of 86336 zip codes. In addition they continue to ignore divulging the physical locations of the Chamber’s membership.
Isn’t this unconscionable considering public funds should be spent to promote and represent businesses located within the Sedona City Limits? Why should those paying for city business licenses, collecting city sales and bed taxes, and paying out high taxes on commercial rentals be subjected to coercion in order to have representation in the city financed “official” Chamber of Commerce Visitor’s Center? (That “official” term comes directly from former Councilwoman Barbara Litrell during a council meeting last summer.) Adding insult to injury is the fact that competitive businesses are being promoted by taxes to which they do not contribute simply because they are outside City Limits. But as members of Sedona’s “regional” Chamber of Commerce they rate top billing.
It might also be well to keep in mind that city staff doesn’t have the final say. If City Council refuses to acknowledge Mr. Clifton’s clear concept of the city council’s jurisdiction, aren’t they ultimately the ones to be held responsible for overstepping their bounds?
Eddie M
You sound like a broken record!!
Just sayin
“First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you
Then you win”
Ghandi
Keep up the good work Eddie, they are no longer ignoring you. Soon we will get rid of Home Rule that allows the city to spend twice what the State of Arizona says a city our size should spend.
Slowly, more people in Sedona are becoming aware.
The only objections are from the trolls hiding under a alias. How foolish they look and how frightened they must be.
Good work !!!
Some are refreshingly BOLD
I’m always amazed at those that are bold and confident enough to place their actual name in front of their statements.
By not stating your names, what does that say about you and your confidence in your position on the topic of discussion?
If our Armed Forces are bold enough to place the name tags around their necks, serve our country and defend our freedoms, then why aren’t those that don’t state their names doing the same?
Could one reason be that their position is weak and they are C%#ards?
Eddie Maddock and Donna Varney, you show your appreciation for Armed Forces and the freedoms we are losing due to the many “nameless bullies and c%#ards” that are taking over our country.
Gary Chamberlain
Vietnam veteran
Cornville, AZ
@West Sedona Resident / Just sayin ~ as do you.
Tsk, Tsk.
Thank you, Gary C. and Tony T.
Everyone has the opportunity to express their opinions on Sedona Eye. Kudos to those who are bold enough to use their true identity. That alone speaks volumes IMHO.
When that sleeping giant wakes up and the lion roars, what then? And eventually it will happen. Karma lives.
Eddie
Congratulations Eddie
You won over Tony T
The guy that considers two cops talking to each other for 5 min a waste of taxpayer money… Also likes taking pictures of city workers cashing thier paycheck at lunch and considers this a waste of taxpayer money..
The crazys are lining up…
Your the pied piper of Nuts
I had a conversation with a high level National Journalist. The small town shanigans like the regional chamber here are commonplace nationwide. Stacking the deck by getting their supporters to control City Councils. It is based on the everyday person not understanding or wanting to be bothered. Smoke, mirrors, confusion, and making you feel unwelcome.
It is time for a change. United.
http://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article14440832.html
Donna Joy Varney
@West Sedona Resident, did you ever stop to think that if the council that put all this in motion had properly pursued the bidding process for the destination marketing ad contract most likely none of this controversy would have occurred? If you want to point fingers, point them at those who cleverly avoided the process by claiming they “didn’t have time.” Aren’t they the ones who sold out the legitimate residents and businesses? They’re the ones that needed to be educated in Sedona City Limits 101 and the responsibilities that as elected officials they took an oath to uphold but miserably failed the course. And if any city staff members were aware of the misuse of the 86336 zip code and neglected to speak up, they added to the problem. Very funny but who’s laughing?
OOH do I smell a Federal investigation coming to Sedona? There was a similar story in Hilton Head, SC. Thanks Donna for the info. You’re not the only one that has been made to feel unwelcome in this town. The only ones that are welcome are the tourists and the ones that play the game of kick backs and payoffs.
And just what’s all the fuss about here? I for one appreciate the clarification of knowing the difference between the boundaries of the fire and school districts vs. incorporated Sedona. Also the reminder VOC addresses are Sedona but not 86336 zip codes. Those who seem to be protesting the release of this information must have a reason. Wonder what it is? Pretty amazing that given the opportunity to be part of incorporation those areas in the school and fire districts declined being included in Sedona city but many of those businesses are benefiting anyway without the burden of collecting city sales and bed taxes. How’s them apples? For sure the Chamber must be raking in the do-re-mi if the word has spread about joining and getting top billing with Sedona tax money. Such a deal!
@Tom G. = As far as I’m aware it’s been a while since you posted a comment on Sedona Eye. The thought occurred that perhaps you’d left town.
FYI, I’ve never met Tony T. – the same as to my knowledge I’ve never met you. Therefore it’s impossible for me to pass judgment on the character of those who post comments here or elsewhere. Interpretation of individuals’ intentions or comments they make, of course, are subjective and anything goes.
Isn’t it true the Piped Piper actually did a great service to his town folk? To be acknowledged in comparison is perhaps one of the kindest compliments anyone has contributed. Thank you for the honor.
We should be so lucky!
@Tom G ~ You say, The crazys are lining up…Your the pied piper of Nuts . . doesn’t your own participation here make you one of ’em?
@Sharlett ~ You say, We should be so lucky!
For any particular reason?
This Tom G is a very hateful person Check out “his” comments on this article: https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-political-correctness
There appears to be some lingering grudge having to do with past history and the fire department. Or could it be the issue pointed out in E. Maddock’s article relating to questionable manipulation of the 86336 zip code number struck the nerve that created the uprising from Tom G?
There’s always the option to get out of the kitchen if the oven gets too hot should that be the reason for this knee jerk reaction. And don’t waste your time and energy thinking I’m Tony T or affiliated with those you cannot seem to shake off. Do not know them but have a feeling your OWN true identity is becoming more likely.
And by the way does anyone else wonder why the city council doesn’t ask for details about exactly how this 86336 zip code is dealt with at city hall? But they don’t read Sedona Eye. I forgot.
Anyone affiliated with the Sedona Fire District (past or present) should be well aware of the 86336 zip codes extending beyond City Limits.
So why was it too difficult for Jennifer Wesselhoff to provide the previous council (three remaining on the present council) an accurate list of the regional chamber of commerce membership? We all know the present regional chamber is receiving millions of city tax dollars, presently and over the years.
With the assistance of city staff, and even to impose on help from the fire station located just a short distance from city hall, that assignment should have been a no-brainer. What are they hiding?
And isn’t Councilman Scott Jablow still a member of the Fire District Board? If so he would be in an ideal position to sit with Mrs. Wesselhoff and perhaps the assistant city manager to review the exact physical locations of the chamber members located within Sedona City Limits and technically the ones who should be directly benefiting from Sedona City bed and sales tax collections.
PS – It’s sort of pathetic to feel the need to spell this out but Post Office Box numbers DO NOT COUNT AS PHYSICAL ADDRESSES.
Also if the City Council had acted professionally and engaged a professional advertising agency for the Destination Marketing Contract, this insipid situation most likely would never have occurred.
Capiche?
Years ago our neighborhood met at the non-defunct volunteer firehouse on Loop Road to “discuss” incorporation into the city. I’ll never forget the old cowboy in the neighborhood who stood up to those who were BULLYING the rest of us to agree to be within city limits. The reason the city representatives said we needed to be within city limits was to have police and fire “protection.” Of course we were sitting inside the volunteer dept Fire Station and most the men in that room were volunteers. That old cowboy – sorry, I don’t recall his name – stood up and said that we don’t need any city protection because surely the city would end up screwing us and we’d be assessed higher taxes. The city representative then pitched the police protection angle and that old guy when out to his truck and grabbed his shotgun and said, “We’ve all got the protection we need right here.” A big round of applause and the city representatives left with red faces. I’m so glad that happened. We’re 86336 too, but we’re still outside city limits and we like it that way.
PS from But of Course says:
If the City Council had acted professionally and engaged a professional advertising agency for the Destination Marketing Contract, this insipid situation most likely would never have occurred.
Just an update PS,
The city did hire a world class ad agency, but, an agency cannot do all the marking, The local chamber handles the visitor center (at a loss) and acts as local contact for media ect. And much more, tasks that would cost way too much to turn over to an agency with a billing rate in the hundreds of dollars per hr.
Hope that helps
http://www.owensharkey.com
People you need to get all the facts
Why, all the worry about the location and address of members? The ad program is for SEDONA, the most beautiful place in America. No business is in ads. And it only runs in the off-season.
The chambers job is to help visitors; there is a lot to do in the Verdi valley, not counting the Grand Canyon. Most visitors to Sedona spent the day out side of Sedona.
Folk’s get a life chamber bashing, as some point must get old.
Steve
Since incorporation, Sedona has been plagued with cronyism, back room deals, and yes, even a few lawsuits. Perhaps what is needed is a complete audit to detail the fiscal incompetence that has defined Sedona since its inception. The chamber and city allies are creating a toxic atmosphere for citizens.
I just drove through uptown on my way to Flagstaff – the area is a mess. Wasn’t it just 3 years ago when uptown was “improved?” Why do we need to tear up the roads AGAIN? Sedona is spending too much money with too little explanation.
We’re on the cusp of a perfect storm of chamber and city corruption. Who’s served by all this political infighting? Not the citizens – who are on the hook to pay the bills and pick up of the pieces of a shallow government who only thinks of bed taxes and uptown businesses. God forbid you’d be a member of the chamber and be located in west Sedona – those businesses are invisible to the chamber.
I was a member of the chamber until the whole Angel Valley death debacle. I joined so I’d have access to the one and only permit issued for self-employed tour guides, but the Metaphysical Spiritual group leaves much to be desired. It pains me to see that the owners of the Angel Valley are STILL running the group. It’s been, what? About a dozen years or so – as if no one could possibly pick up the reins to the group. And what do they do with the money they get from the members? Nothing that I can see. There’s no way I will join the group who were complicit in the murder of 3 people (sweat lodge deaths – same sweat lodge was built the year before and people were injured. Why didn’t they say something when they saw the same sweat lodge being built the year before and they had to call an ambulance for 5 people?) I just don’t get it. Members of the group must not say a word about it lest they be shunned – or worse. They are neither metaphysical nor spiritual. Just money-grubbing from tourist and locals alike.
I’d really like to see a complete audit of the chamber expenses as well as the city. They owe us that much.
Tell it like it is Steve Segner. Owens-Harkey Advertising Agency was retained with public money (city taxes) by the Chamber of Commerce, NOT the City of Sedona. That alone proves the Chamber is incompetent and not an advertising agency (the nature of the service contract with the city) or they wouldn’t have needed to sub-contract.
The City of Sedona, according to state law which has appeared on this site several times, is responsible to provide services and govern WITHIN THE DESIGNATED CITY LIMITS. Obviously this does not include the undisclosed number of Chamber members outside City Limits. You get it? Of course, but the problem is that last city council fostered betrayal to legitimate residents and businesses in the incorporated portion of Sedona. No amount of spinning your webs will change the FACTS. It can only be done by the city council which you have in your pocket.
So enjoy your position of power. Why not crow about that instead of distorted stories that don’t hold water. And oh, BTW, which partner of the Owens-Harkey firm donated $1g to Sandy Moriarty’s campaign? Or did the city pay him to do that, too?
As all this unfolds, at the end of a council meetings last week (probably the special one on Wednesday) the most important thing on the mind of Councilman Jon Thompson was updating “his” vision statement. The reason for putting it that way is since the get-go of him being seated on the city council his main-frame has been to re-do the beautiful existing Vision Statement, done by former city employee Nick Gioello, a real professional entertainer and voice-over expert. Because obviously he (Jon Thompson) thinks he can do a better job.
Well maybe that’s true. Could it be any worse than his performance so far as a councilman?
@PS
What you are sayin’ sounds good. If what you are sayin’ is true, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT except for tapping a few keys on the key board.
@Just Askin’ – You asked @Sharlett ~ You say, We should be so lucky!
For any particular reason?
Yep, we should be so lucky for a Federal Investigation. Bring it on!
@PS from But of Course PS – “It’s sort of pathetic to feel the need to spell this out but Post Office Box numbers DO NOT COUNT AS PHYSICAL ADDRESSES.
Also if the City Council had acted professionally and engaged a professional advertising agency for the Destination Marketing Contract, this insipid situation most likely would never have occurred.” You are so very correct!!!
Some day and some way steve segner might figure his way to wrap his head around the concept that there was NO RFP (request for proposal) for the City giving the Chamber well over a million dollars so there was no Bidding process. Is that legal?
Loved the comment from @But of Course “And isn’t Councilman Scott Jablow still a member of the Fire District Board? If so he would be in an ideal position to sit with Mrs. Wesselhoff and perhaps the assistant city manager to review the exact physical locations of the chamber members located within Sedona City Limits and technically the ones who should be directly benefiting from Sedona City bed and sales tax collections.”
To me, the worst part of the conversation is all those who allow some other entity/person to think for them as they give up their rights……….guess that’s way too easy for far too many. Yet most of you will feel the back draft that won’t make your life better – OR the City of Sedona.
Speaking to conflicting statements Steve segner writes (7/18 – 2:12 PM) “The city did hire a world class ad agency, but, an agency cannot do all the marking.”
Sedona Red Rock News, 7/8/15 – front page “Chamber’s video wins Telly award” – “The song was created in coordination with the chamber’s advertising firm, Phoenix-based Owens Harkey.” “CHAMBER’S ADVERTISING FIRM”
So Segner are you saying the RRN got it wrong? If so why don’t you go after them like you seem to enjoy going after Sedona Eye.
“Steve segner writes (also 7/18 – 2:12 PM) “Why, all the worry about the location and address of members? The ad program is for SEDONA,”
Very simple, Segner. The City Council and staff’s charge is to represent the incorporated area of Sedona, as the city limits are clearly identified in the above article. This is a State Law. Check out Arizona Revised Statutes, Title Nine – Cities and Towns:
“9-240. General powers of common council
B. The common council shall also have power within the limits of the town:
2. To appropriate money and provide for the payment of its debts and expenses”
“WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE TOWN.” What is it you don’t understand about that? 86336 zip codes OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS, according to the Arizona Revised Statutes ARE NOT PART OF THE CITY OF SEDONA and therefore should not be receiving advertising of any kind that is paid out of the Sedona City tax base. PERIOD!
More important, why does the City Council and City Administration continue to ignore this? Mr. Clifton, New City Manager, are you paying attention? When the new City Attorney, Mr. Pickels, takes over as the legal expert will he allow this disparity to continue?
@Unbelievable asked about Councilman Jon Thompson or JT: “Could it be any worse than his performance so far as a councilman?
Excellent question. My answer is that ol’ JT should simply close his mouth and open his ears and stop his forward motion of only wanting to deal with his very personal issues where he believes he, like steve segner, knows more than the rest of any of us. JT wastes far too much council time with his holy routine.
The minority hiding behind twisted confusing words. The minority is controlling the majority. Flatlanders are we, the majority.
Have you ever wondered about Sedona? Pretty on the outside, ugly on the inside.
Have you ever wondered why city council hates retires?
Why SSegner rants about how great they are, how the chamber is everything?
Why does SSegner discredit everyone but “them”?
Why City council can’t get through one meeting without asking the chamber or ss?
Why city council doesn’t welcome any speakers unless they agree with councils position? They let the chamber, SS, PS go on and on, ask them for advice?
Why the city NEVER gives the businesses their OWN voice?
Why K Daines and other city staffers work vigorously to organized giving away taxpayers money, like she did PAYING the Red Earth Theater group money EVERY month to rent out the Teen center YOUR paying for this. COSTING you in excess of $2,000 a month?
Why city staff has special rules for special friends?
Why city staff plays the public against the businesses? (signs at the carwash where approved twice by the city before they went up)
Why city staff CONTROLS who is permitted to participate in citizens engagement? Why city council and staff categorize and label people. Put each one of you in a box?
Why city council would PAY art groups out of taxpayers’ money? Why the most successful Film Festival is the recipient of taxpayers’ money year after year?
Why the city is facilitating PAYING groups like Main Street? (massive amounts of money for what)
Do you ever wonder who is behind shutting up those that speak the true? Like this platform- Sedona Eye.
The answer is easy. It’s a kickbacks for those going along with the program. Control and stealing of the taxpayers money.
The controlling “ELITE” are benefiting from this. Controlling the ignorant Sedona Flatlanders. Flattering, butter up, complimenting city council to get ahead, completely feeding the big egos of city council is the standard operating plan in Sedona.
Are you willing to give up your rights? I’m not. The more that stand up the better chances you have of making a change. Remember Jon “JT” Thompson words in the voters packet you’re the vocal minority Time to “come out” and become who you are the MAJORITY!
Sedona City council are just like you. Suppose to represent YOU! Is your Sedona the becoming a Disneyland of recreation amusement park beautiful?
Boldly go forward. Expose the deception.
Steve Segner, you actually had the audacity to claim the city held the contract with Owens-Harkey Advertising Agency in Phoenix? The only fragment of truth in what you stated is that, yes, it’s being funded with City of Sedona taxes and it’s the Chamber of Commerce who hired that Phoenix firm as sub-contractors. The city displayed even less integrity than you when they didn’t retain a qualified firm for the Destination Marketing contract to begin with. But how could they when the .05% bed tax increase was contingent upon selling their souls to the devil by promising to return the percentage of money to the Chamber? Even before it went public. Shameful if not illegal.
How long is your nose these days, Steve Segner? You are able to spin more yarns that Pinocchio, and you’ve been doing it for so long now, at least beginning in public with your “Trust us (Me)” appeal to the city council, surely the length of your nose must be dragging on the ground by now? Well, you should be wealthy enough to retain the best of the best in plastic surgeons to correct the problem. Of course, even if that happened they cannot beautify the internal parts. And that goes for the past and recent city councils IMO.
The amount of taxpayer money spent on private businesses is out of control.
And now I’m being fleeced for a $75 fee for my kid in high school. I pay my taxes and I do not like the way the taxes are being spent, but what do you know? No school board meeting until September! Too late! Well, time for the high school to do some trimming – first to go should be that policeman on duty for $45K a year. Waste of money. The school does not need to be a police state.
The city taxes should subsidize the high school and the new theatre there, and not the private businesses in uptown. This whole thing is rotten to the core!
@Rotten to the Core – only place I disagree with you is where you say: “city taxes should subsidize the high school and the new theatre there.”
Call me crazy but did I miss something? The school district extracts and receives taxes from us and over-ride taxes, as they determine. with their Motherhood and apple pie scare tactics. City and School District are not joined at the hip!
Since the school district is far larger than the City boundaries (just like the Regional Chamber and Fire District) Why should/would the City have to subsidize anything for the school district?
Maybe the school district leaders should look towards cleaning up their bad budgeting and over spending and constant need of new and more money (off of taxpayers backs) someplace other than the $75/kid sham they are inflicting on students/families.
Maybe the school district should figure out how to be able to afford the theater, they so desperately Needed and just maybe the district should start to realize they are over spending “other people’s money”?
I commented a few weeks back that the city should buy a trailer of adult diapers and warm milk bottles to distribute thruout town….
Based upon the crybaby comments here on Sedona Eye….I hope that happens sooner then later..
Same old people….(all ten of you out there). Love to complain and cry.
@Rotten to the Core – with all due respect neither the Sedona Oak Creek Unified School District nor the Sedona Fire District are under the jurisdiction of Incorporated Sedona. Funding for those two districts is derived from voter approved bonds which are collected via property taxes from either Yavapai or Coconino County. Incorporated Sedona is included in both school and fire districts but does not govern, regulate, or provide tax money for either.
Your concerns should appropriately be taken to the School Board to be addressed. It would be helpful if someone on the School Board would consider commenting here to assist in clarifying this situation. Also, you might review the article, Sedona City Limits 101, which explains in detail specific jurisdictions of incorporated Sedona and the School & Fire Districts.
I stand corrected. You all are correct about the school districts. I did not think that part through.
We need not look any further than Washington, Oregon, or Colorado to see the answer to our school district shortfalls. Since the legalization of marijuana, those states have SO MUCH MONEY they don’t know how to spend it all.
I retract earlier statement. But I still don’t like my taxpayer dollars used to support private businesses.
It might also be a good idea if someone within Incorporated Sedona City Limits (city council or staff member) would consider submitting a “City Talk” column clarifying the jurisdictions. Or even Councilman Scott Jablow, who also serves on the Fire Board, might offer an explanation which would really be helpful.
Thank you.
PS to West Sedona Resident – you’ve already gone on record that you can’t stand retirees so what’s your point? Also, why is it you continue to read Sedona Eye if you find it so offensive?
They paved paradise
And put up a tourist trap
With a Time Share Hotel and a kickback Concierge
And a ATV tour
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till it’s gone
They paved paradise
And put up a tourist trap
They took all the money
And gave it to the regional chamber
And they charged all the people in the city limits
A million dollars and a half to see ’em
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till it’s gone
They paved paradise
And they put up a tourist trap
Hey local local
Put away that idea now
Give me your money
you don’t contribute
Please
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till it’s gone
They paved paradise
And put up a tourist trap
You Hoo
On this site you can cannot facts, the reader just want to complain.
If you use facts then the attacks get personal.
Steve
You Hoo
On this site you can cannot use facts, the reader just want to complain.
If you use facts then the attacks get personal.
Steve
@steve segmer = are you denying the FACT it isn’t the City of Sedona that has jurisdiction over both the Sedona Oak Creek Unified School District and the Sedona Fire District? Are you denying the FACT the bogus “service” contracts with the Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Center cross the line of jurisdiction outside Sedona City Limits? Why is it you avoid addressing issues by refusing to answer questions?
Not all of us are as stupid as the Sedona City Council(s), but lucky for you we aren’t making the decisions or your rear end would have been booted out long ago.
Quit with the griping. You remain in the driver’s seat in spite of it all. Enjoy the moment, ignore the facts – – – but don’t be so blatant in attempting to put down the lowly “flatlanders” who have clear vision of the filth and corruption that’s been allowed to consume Sedona.
@suggestion
I am a Retiree DUH
I look at the comments in SE to see how many different ways people can bitch and moan at everything…
@Anonymous. If you’re an example of Sedona’s retired population then it’s little wonder the city council can’t stand you. Yuk, Yuk (or should it be Muck, Muck)
Muck Luck?
YOO:
Asked, Why is it you avoid addressing issues by refusing to answer questions?
Why should I answer your questions, of all you say is true go to the city attorney.
You just do not like any answer I give , if you look at all my past posts I have answered them all you just don’t like the answers.
Go back to your FOX news , get all worked up on something else.
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YOO HOO, HELLO claims Incorporated Sedona does not provide tax money to the Sedona Oak Creek Unified School District. Huh?
The City of Sedona made an “Intergovernmental Agreement for Arts Education Program” with the Sedona-Oak Creek Unified School District back in 2009. Ever since then taxpayer funds have been used to help support the Arts Education Coordinator as well as the Artists in the Classroom program. $26,000 is the amount listed in the City’s budget for this fiscal year.
YOO HOO, HELLO says incorporated Sedona does not provide tax money to the Sedona Oak Creek School District. Huh?
The City of Sedona has an arts education agreement with the School District. For the past several years now, the City has contributed taxpayer funds to help support the Arts Education Coordinator position, as well as the Artists in the Classroom Program. $26,000 is the amount listed in the current fiscal year budget.
@Alarmed times two! The zest displayed by having your comment posted twice is exhilarating. And, of course, you are correct about City of Sedona having committed to the excessive funding for the Sedona Oak Creek Unified School District.
That monetary distribution falls in the category of the “Great Sedona Give-Away” which the list is endless. Point being, legitimately the School District as well as Fire District are not officially the responsibility of incorporated City of Sedona. Like funding to other arts programs – Public Places, Chamber Music, Sinfonietta, Art Coalition, ad infinitum – those are discretionary contributions determined by seated city council members.
Your astute observation and bringing it to the forefront emphasizes even further the cavalier manner in which Sedona city government flaunts their ill-conceived wealth. None of that money was approved by taxpayers in the school district. It’s even in excess of the $70 million dollar bond approved by voters which made the Performing Arts Center a reality. Of course the school and arts affiliations will take their bleeding hearts before Sedona City councils because word is out they are patsies for any tale of woe.
Much appreciate that you called this very important and unofficial contribution to the school to the attention of the public. Thank you.
That’s a good thing kind of small for a city as well off as Sedona
I would rather see money go to the arts and skip sports.
The arts will stay with them all their lives
Let’s all chip in and see if we can add to the $ 26,ooo I’m in for 500.00
Anyone else?
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