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		By: Concerned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 05:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Casey, You sound a lot like Mike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey, You sound a lot like Mike.</p>
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		By: Eddie Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Casey, in my opinion you just knocked the election ball right out of Sedona City Limits with your home-run statement:  &quot;I am sick of the yellow T-shirts and the over the top &#039;shove our view point down all Sedona Citizens throats&#039;.&quot; 

I&#039;ve never read so much mumbo-jumbo and convoluted statements whereby in the next sentence the same writer(s) take a completely different stance. 

Example #1: A post under a different article claims ADOT still has $15+ mil. on the table; then shortly thereafter the writer of that statement denies having said (written) it? Holy smokes. 

Example #2: Then we listen to &quot;Sedona can afford to own this State Highway&quot; followed by the suggestion for forming tax funded &quot;improvement districts&quot; to remedy ongoing flooding conditions which have to date been ignored because it&#039;s become more important to focus on owning a State Highway which &quot;they&quot; claim Sedona will be able to afford! Whew.

My second vote for a homer goes to the writer who suggested a Harmonic Convergence at Bell Rock whereby all of these obviously well meaning but never-the-less self-centered, narrow minded birds of a feather have the opportunity to  flock together and blast off to a better(?) place.

Amen &amp; Hallelujah

Eddie Maddock]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey, in my opinion you just knocked the election ball right out of Sedona City Limits with your home-run statement:  &#8220;I am sick of the yellow T-shirts and the over the top &#8216;shove our view point down all Sedona Citizens throats&#8217;.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never read so much mumbo-jumbo and convoluted statements whereby in the next sentence the same writer(s) take a completely different stance. </p>
<p>Example #1: A post under a different article claims ADOT still has $15+ mil. on the table; then shortly thereafter the writer of that statement denies having said (written) it? Holy smokes. </p>
<p>Example #2: Then we listen to &#8220;Sedona can afford to own this State Highway&#8221; followed by the suggestion for forming tax funded &#8220;improvement districts&#8221; to remedy ongoing flooding conditions which have to date been ignored because it&#8217;s become more important to focus on owning a State Highway which &#8220;they&#8221; claim Sedona will be able to afford! Whew.</p>
<p>My second vote for a homer goes to the writer who suggested a Harmonic Convergence at Bell Rock whereby all of these obviously well meaning but never-the-less self-centered, narrow minded birds of a feather have the opportunity to  flock together and blast off to a better(?) place.</p>
<p>Amen &#038; Hallelujah</p>
<p>Eddie Maddock</p>
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		By: Casey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am sick of the yellow T-shirts and the over the top &quot; shove our view point down all Sedona Citizens throats&quot; .
We are able to decide for our selves , we read , we research we attend council meetings, all your antics will do nothing but push voters in the other direction, IT&#039;S GETTING OLD , GET OFF THE STREET AND GET OFF THE SIDEWALKS you are disrupting the traffic flow and your YELLOW T SHIRTS are irritating.  P.S THAT GOES FOR THE MORON PROTESTERS ADDITIONALLY!!  GET A JOB AND GET A LIFE!  YOUR PROTESTING IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF UNINFORMED CLOSED MINDED PEOPLE TRYING TO STIR UP TROUBLE AND DISRUPT THE PEACE OF OUR STREETS. YOU MAKE SEDONA LOOK BAD, REALLY BAD! 
GO HOME NO ONE CARES THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE 99% AND NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR BELIEVE!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick of the yellow T-shirts and the over the top &#8221; shove our view point down all Sedona Citizens throats&#8221; .<br />
We are able to decide for our selves , we read , we research we attend council meetings, all your antics will do nothing but push voters in the other direction, IT&#8217;S GETTING OLD , GET OFF THE STREET AND GET OFF THE SIDEWALKS you are disrupting the traffic flow and your YELLOW T SHIRTS are irritating.  P.S THAT GOES FOR THE MORON PROTESTERS ADDITIONALLY!!  GET A JOB AND GET A LIFE!  YOUR PROTESTING IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF UNINFORMED CLOSED MINDED PEOPLE TRYING TO STIR UP TROUBLE AND DISRUPT THE PEACE OF OUR STREETS. YOU MAKE SEDONA LOOK BAD, REALLY BAD!<br />
GO HOME NO ONE CARES THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE 99% AND NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK OR BELIEVE!</p>
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		By: Sara &#38; Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara &#38; Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Having just returned from six weeks of travelling in our motor home, we are wondering why we came back to Sedona.

Catching up on the printed nonsense related to Sedona owning SR89A is something we didn&#039;t expect. 

The most shocking of all, however, is seeing three members of  the Sedona City Council flaunt their faces in a full page newspaper ad as advocates for the ownership of this State Route.

The arrogance of power and elevated self-imposed importance portrayed by these three elected representatives is beyond belief. Their disclaimer at the bottom of the page relating to the excessive blah, blah, blah as being their &quot;personal opinions&quot;  does little to diminish their true message as displayed by  their apparent wealth since we believe an ad of this magnitude costs a cool two grand . . . yep, that&#039;s $2,000!

Isn&#039;t it the unwritten word that conveys the strongest message . . . that being, as we interpret it, these wealthy people are well prepared to sustain the increased taxes which will surely be part of the package deal should the majority accept ownership of SR89A.

If these people are so convinced our lives will be more blessed by owning this major highway, why can&#039;t they &quot;sell their wares&quot; by declaring &quot;Sure, it will cost us a lot of money but it will be worth it.&quot;

Honesty is obviously not the best policy of these three elected members of the Sedona City Council. What a shame but not necessarily a surprise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just returned from six weeks of travelling in our motor home, we are wondering why we came back to Sedona.</p>
<p>Catching up on the printed nonsense related to Sedona owning SR89A is something we didn&#8217;t expect. </p>
<p>The most shocking of all, however, is seeing three members of  the Sedona City Council flaunt their faces in a full page newspaper ad as advocates for the ownership of this State Route.</p>
<p>The arrogance of power and elevated self-imposed importance portrayed by these three elected representatives is beyond belief. Their disclaimer at the bottom of the page relating to the excessive blah, blah, blah as being their &#8220;personal opinions&#8221;  does little to diminish their true message as displayed by  their apparent wealth since we believe an ad of this magnitude costs a cool two grand . . . yep, that&#8217;s $2,000!</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it the unwritten word that conveys the strongest message . . . that being, as we interpret it, these wealthy people are well prepared to sustain the increased taxes which will surely be part of the package deal should the majority accept ownership of SR89A.</p>
<p>If these people are so convinced our lives will be more blessed by owning this major highway, why can&#8217;t they &#8220;sell their wares&#8221; by declaring &#8220;Sure, it will cost us a lot of money but it will be worth it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Honesty is obviously not the best policy of these three elected members of the Sedona City Council. What a shame but not necessarily a surprise.</p>
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		By: Sheri Graham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheri Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 05:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Reply to Don Gray; 

Don, I would encourage you to accept that Vice Mayor Cliff Hamilton is speaking and acting on his own. 

Fact: he does not have a council vote to substantiate his words.  His rosy financial picture has actually NOT been approved by current council.  

Fact:  what he suggests is only his cherry pie concept...with no whipped cream = pie in the sky....or is this just the pits of one man&#039;s wanting to deceive all of us in believing that he can somehow predict what all current and future council members will decide regarding how to use the funding coming up when the 2015 sewer bonds start to retire?  

What he forgets is the dire situation our treatment plant is in and the current moratorium on new hook ups...and the huge costs to correct. 

Overbearing, unconfirmed, officious, misstatements and actions do not win...believe it or not - we see through those  tactics. 

Since there has been no City approval of how to fund 89A - what is Cliff huffing and puffing about?  Seems to be his personal opinion, as he has defined it.  

I have watched his video and am just amused at the innocence shown - well intended - yet without Council substantiation. 

One man&#039;s pie with no whipped cream  does not create an approved plan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Reply to Don Gray; </p>
<p>Don, I would encourage you to accept that Vice Mayor Cliff Hamilton is speaking and acting on his own. </p>
<p>Fact: he does not have a council vote to substantiate his words.  His rosy financial picture has actually NOT been approved by current council.  </p>
<p>Fact:  what he suggests is only his cherry pie concept&#8230;with no whipped cream = pie in the sky&#8230;.or is this just the pits of one man&#8217;s wanting to deceive all of us in believing that he can somehow predict what all current and future council members will decide regarding how to use the funding coming up when the 2015 sewer bonds start to retire?  </p>
<p>What he forgets is the dire situation our treatment plant is in and the current moratorium on new hook ups&#8230;and the huge costs to correct. </p>
<p>Overbearing, unconfirmed, officious, misstatements and actions do not win&#8230;believe it or not &#8211; we see through those  tactics. </p>
<p>Since there has been no City approval of how to fund 89A &#8211; what is Cliff huffing and puffing about?  Seems to be his personal opinion, as he has defined it.  </p>
<p>I have watched his video and am just amused at the innocence shown &#8211; well intended &#8211; yet without Council substantiation. </p>
<p>One man&#8217;s pie with no whipped cream  does not create an approved plan.</p>
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		By: Leonard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, Don, I have news for you. That video is as stale as last week&#039;s chopped liver. Sorry. The real world is what&#039;s happening at city council meetings, not spin chit-chat from three council members who blatantly represent their own personal agendas instead of the will of the people, which is why they were allegedly elected.  So pathetic.

NOTE NO ON PROP 410]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Don, I have news for you. That video is as stale as last week&#8217;s chopped liver. Sorry. The real world is what&#8217;s happening at city council meetings, not spin chit-chat from three council members who blatantly represent their own personal agendas instead of the will of the people, which is why they were allegedly elected.  So pathetic.</p>
<p>NOTE NO ON PROP 410</p>
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		By: Don Gay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Gay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 19:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To those who are concerned about cost of ownership of 89A, I would encourage you to watch the video by Cliff Hamilton explaining this issue in detail at http://www.sedona.biz.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who are concerned about cost of ownership of 89A, I would encourage you to watch the video by Cliff Hamilton explaining this issue in detail at <a href="http://www.sedona.biz" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sedona.biz</a>.</p>
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		By: Leonard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Sheri Graham, for producing facts although such an endeavor might serve only to confuse those who refuse to face reality.

As for an apology to me, as the saying goes I would suspect hell to freeze over before that happened. However, I appreciate the suggestion.

VOTE NO ON PROP 410]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Sheri Graham, for producing facts although such an endeavor might serve only to confuse those who refuse to face reality.</p>
<p>As for an apology to me, as the saying goes I would suspect hell to freeze over before that happened. However, I appreciate the suggestion.</p>
<p>VOTE NO ON PROP 410</p>
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		By: Sheri Graham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheri Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is in response to both Bettye and Nancy Baer,

You ask where the amount of $5,000.00 per person comes from, as though it is a made up figure or lie.

My suggestion to both of you (and anyone who actually is interested in facts vs just believing what these two have said) is go the the city web site and watch the last segment of the 10/19/11 council work session video on drainage.  

Go to where Barbara Litrell starts speaking and just turn the volume up - and I do hope you are sitting down.  

She, Barbara, uses the big $5,000.00 figure...correct me if I&#039;ve missed something - yet I seem to remember she is connected to the City.  

Leonard is 100% correct and has not &quot;manipulated&quot; or &quot;misstated&quot; anything.  Check it out yourself and then maybe, just maybe, there should be an apology to Leonard?     

You can try to dumb down Barbara&#039;s comments but you can&#039;t erase them.

That is the exact location of hearing and watching &quot;a person connected to the city&quot; use that exact same figure $5,000.00.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to both Bettye and Nancy Baer,</p>
<p>You ask where the amount of $5,000.00 per person comes from, as though it is a made up figure or lie.</p>
<p>My suggestion to both of you (and anyone who actually is interested in facts vs just believing what these two have said) is go the the city web site and watch the last segment of the 10/19/11 council work session video on drainage.  </p>
<p>Go to where Barbara Litrell starts speaking and just turn the volume up &#8211; and I do hope you are sitting down.  </p>
<p>She, Barbara, uses the big $5,000.00 figure&#8230;correct me if I&#8217;ve missed something &#8211; yet I seem to remember she is connected to the City.  </p>
<p>Leonard is 100% correct and has not &#8220;manipulated&#8221; or &#8220;misstated&#8221; anything.  Check it out yourself and then maybe, just maybe, there should be an apology to Leonard?     </p>
<p>You can try to dumb down Barbara&#8217;s comments but you can&#8217;t erase them.</p>
<p>That is the exact location of hearing and watching &#8220;a person connected to the city&#8221; use that exact same figure $5,000.00.</p>
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		By: Leonard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PS to N. Baer &amp; Bettye: (whose comment didn&#039;t appear prior to my last submission) 

Maybe it&#039;s time for those of us who pre-paid $2000 for sewer connection and still don&#039;t have it to unite and have our money refunded. It states right on the contract that the money is refundable. 

Hmmmm . . . wonder how much money that would amount to and whether or not that&#039;s been included when idiotic reports continue to come from certain council members (Barbara Litrell, for example, in her recent City Talk article) about how financially sound Sedona is. 

Why then at the October 19th meeting, yes a public meeting, did the suggestion for special taxing districts come up and even to be a consideration as a blanket assessment to all Sedona residents.

If that happens for sure I&#039;ll need my $2000 back as a down payment for what apparently is in store. And Sedona can afford to own a State Highway? Ha.

More reasons to VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 410!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS to N. Baer &#038; Bettye: (whose comment didn&#8217;t appear prior to my last submission) </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time for those of us who pre-paid $2000 for sewer connection and still don&#8217;t have it to unite and have our money refunded. It states right on the contract that the money is refundable. </p>
<p>Hmmmm . . . wonder how much money that would amount to and whether or not that&#8217;s been included when idiotic reports continue to come from certain council members (Barbara Litrell, for example, in her recent City Talk article) about how financially sound Sedona is. </p>
<p>Why then at the October 19th meeting, yes a public meeting, did the suggestion for special taxing districts come up and even to be a consideration as a blanket assessment to all Sedona residents.</p>
<p>If that happens for sure I&#8217;ll need my $2000 back as a down payment for what apparently is in store. And Sedona can afford to own a State Highway? Ha.</p>
<p>More reasons to VOTE NO ON PROPOSITION 410!!!!!</p>
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