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		By: Glenn Shannon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Shannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eddie the old statement spend like there is no tomorrow may be right as the way things are going when it all hits there may be no tomorrow for many. As fuel prices go up many don&#039;t understand that everything else will also as everything grown or made is dependent on fuel. I am in my 70s and hopefully will not be around to see this happen but with the speed that government is spending don&#039;t think I can die fast enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie the old statement spend like there is no tomorrow may be right as the way things are going when it all hits there may be no tomorrow for many. As fuel prices go up many don&#8217;t understand that everything else will also as everything grown or made is dependent on fuel. I am in my 70s and hopefully will not be around to see this happen but with the speed that government is spending don&#8217;t think I can die fast enough.</p>
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		By: Eddie S. Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie S. Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Glenn Shannon, if you are so inclined check out my latest post relating to the Wish List of the current slate of candidates. Better have your blood pressure medicine handy. 

My guess is maybe, just maybe the projection for the Oak Creek Preserve might be for a new City Hall location?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Glenn Shannon, if you are so inclined check out my latest post relating to the Wish List of the current slate of candidates. Better have your blood pressure medicine handy. </p>
<p>My guess is maybe, just maybe the projection for the Oak Creek Preserve might be for a new City Hall location?</p>
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		By: Glenn Shannon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Shannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fate of Sedona was sealed with incorporation. The city is mired deep in debt and now of course they want to expand so more area can be pulled into this disaster. From the start it was clear the people elected served only their self interests, the big money and no one else.  Government has only one purpose anymore and that is to expand and impose/control everyone else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fate of Sedona was sealed with incorporation. The city is mired deep in debt and now of course they want to expand so more area can be pulled into this disaster. From the start it was clear the people elected served only their self interests, the big money and no one else.  Government has only one purpose anymore and that is to expand and impose/control everyone else.</p>
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		By: Eddie S. Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie S. Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course, Nancy, once again you are correct. Damage in the manner to which you refer, in either case, temporary or permanent, is subject to personal opinions, much like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Perhaps in Sedona certain developers might consider skyscrapers far more attractive than the red rocks. Others might agree and think the only damage occurs when such edifices are under construction. Then there are those who think the exact opposite, that our scenic views should prevail. Is either point of view either wrong or right?

My own opinion based on what was being promoted at the time is that the purpose for Sedona to incorporate in the first place was to preserve the natural beauty. I still maintain that using the Community Plan and unenforceable codes as tools has been a cop out since neither seem to have substantial teeth, so to speak,  as has been illustrated by the number of deviations which have occurred over the years. 

Having clearly defined &quot;my own perspective&quot; in my closing sentence, I believe that was the only portion in my comment that might be interpreted as &quot;quantifying.&quot; 

Quite honestly I believe we are pretty much on the same page whether you choose to believe it or not. Just another example of differing opinions? If I&#039;m mistaken it won&#039;t be the first time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, Nancy, once again you are correct. Damage in the manner to which you refer, in either case, temporary or permanent, is subject to personal opinions, much like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>Perhaps in Sedona certain developers might consider skyscrapers far more attractive than the red rocks. Others might agree and think the only damage occurs when such edifices are under construction. Then there are those who think the exact opposite, that our scenic views should prevail. Is either point of view either wrong or right?</p>
<p>My own opinion based on what was being promoted at the time is that the purpose for Sedona to incorporate in the first place was to preserve the natural beauty. I still maintain that using the Community Plan and unenforceable codes as tools has been a cop out since neither seem to have substantial teeth, so to speak,  as has been illustrated by the number of deviations which have occurred over the years. </p>
<p>Having clearly defined &#8220;my own perspective&#8221; in my closing sentence, I believe that was the only portion in my comment that might be interpreted as &#8220;quantifying.&#8221; </p>
<p>Quite honestly I believe we are pretty much on the same page whether you choose to believe it or not. Just another example of differing opinions? If I&#8217;m mistaken it won&#8217;t be the first time.</p>
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		By: N. Baer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Baer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How can you quantify &quot;damage?&quot; In some cases, damage can be limited in scope and duration, while in others&#039; the damage can have repercussion into the future and beyond.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you quantify &#8220;damage?&#8221; In some cases, damage can be limited in scope and duration, while in others&#8217; the damage can have repercussion into the future and beyond.</p>
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		By: Eddie S. Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie S. Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dynamite comment, Nancy. This election in particular.  (my opinion) 

Another point to ponder is that the Sedona City Council is subject to changing to at least some degree every two years which can be both good or bad depending on, obviously, &quot;the interests that these candidates bring to the table&quot; as you so aptly point out. 

One question to consider is how much damage can be done within a two to four year time frame? Historically speaking, quite a bit from my own perspective as a voting Sedona resident since the inception of incorporation.

Eddie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dynamite comment, Nancy. This election in particular.  (my opinion) </p>
<p>Another point to ponder is that the Sedona City Council is subject to changing to at least some degree every two years which can be both good or bad depending on, obviously, &#8220;the interests that these candidates bring to the table&#8221; as you so aptly point out. </p>
<p>One question to consider is how much damage can be done within a two to four year time frame? Historically speaking, quite a bit from my own perspective as a voting Sedona resident since the inception of incorporation.</p>
<p>Eddie</p>
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		By: N. Baer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Baer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jean your idea is great as we vote for people to represent us (aka &quot;the will of the people&quot;), but voters need to look carefully at the interests that these candidates bring to the table.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean your idea is great as we vote for people to represent us (aka &#8220;the will of the people&#8221;), but voters need to look carefully at the interests that these candidates bring to the table.</p>
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		By: Jean Jenks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean Jenks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When the new Community Plan is completed, will it once again favor development interests?  Ed Nelson&#039;s following Argument &quot;Against,&quot; published in the 2003 City of Sedona Voter Publicity Pamphlet, gives an idea of the travesty the 2002 Plan will leave behind:

&quot;Drive through town and look around you.  Do you like what you see -- the congestion, and what bad development has done to your city?  To keep this mess from getting worse, we need a Community Plan with provisions that defend our environment and life quality.  This proposed plan just doesn&#039;t do it!

Plan proscriptions should be meaningful and clear.  This Plan is a massive, confusing jumble, repetitive, redundant, full of platitudes but devoid of teeth and easy to challenge, obfuscated by a mass of data and background better left in a companion volume.

Sedona has become timeshare capitol of the world, with more AAA hotels than Scottsdale; yet this Plan allows for still more of both.  Rather than discouraging rezoning to higher density, this Plan focuses on &quot;overall density,&quot; allowing transfer of building rights, resulting in windfall developer profit and higher actual net growth.  The housing element does nothing whatever but make excuses for still higher densities.  The Plan pays only lip service to the idea of development impact fees, but maximum allowable fees should be the goal.  Impact fees can, and in Sedona should, finance much; such as our sewer system, instead of mortgaging future tax receipts, and socking homeowners for thousands for a system they do not need.  If you spend many hours, you can find many more deficiencies and hidden nasties, lurking in this word jungle.

Much pretense has been made about soliciting community input for this Plan.  But it is obvious from results that development interests got the attention.

Let&#039;s reject this thing.  And give our new City Council the chance to do it right.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the new Community Plan is completed, will it once again favor development interests?  Ed Nelson&#8217;s following Argument &#8220;Against,&#8221; published in the 2003 City of Sedona Voter Publicity Pamphlet, gives an idea of the travesty the 2002 Plan will leave behind:</p>
<p>&#8220;Drive through town and look around you.  Do you like what you see &#8212; the congestion, and what bad development has done to your city?  To keep this mess from getting worse, we need a Community Plan with provisions that defend our environment and life quality.  This proposed plan just doesn&#8217;t do it!</p>
<p>Plan proscriptions should be meaningful and clear.  This Plan is a massive, confusing jumble, repetitive, redundant, full of platitudes but devoid of teeth and easy to challenge, obfuscated by a mass of data and background better left in a companion volume.</p>
<p>Sedona has become timeshare capitol of the world, with more AAA hotels than Scottsdale; yet this Plan allows for still more of both.  Rather than discouraging rezoning to higher density, this Plan focuses on &#8220;overall density,&#8221; allowing transfer of building rights, resulting in windfall developer profit and higher actual net growth.  The housing element does nothing whatever but make excuses for still higher densities.  The Plan pays only lip service to the idea of development impact fees, but maximum allowable fees should be the goal.  Impact fees can, and in Sedona should, finance much; such as our sewer system, instead of mortgaging future tax receipts, and socking homeowners for thousands for a system they do not need.  If you spend many hours, you can find many more deficiencies and hidden nasties, lurking in this word jungle.</p>
<p>Much pretense has been made about soliciting community input for this Plan.  But it is obvious from results that development interests got the attention.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s reject this thing.  And give our new City Council the chance to do it right.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Eddie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve Crisp, you are 100% correct. The will of the people definitely was well served at the expense of a costly special election. One question, however, remains unanswered. Will the Initiative portion of that election, Prop. 411, be challenged in court? Some folks still maintain it&#039;s unconstitutional.

If you are anticipating conclusions or predictions from me relating to the future of Sedona, it will not happen. There are those who pooh-pooh any notion that history will repeat itself. And when it does, some choose to remain in denial.

As has been said by others much smarter than I: &quot;One person&#039;s heaven is another person&#039;s hell.&quot; So no matter what, the will of ALL the people will never be served. Let us just hope it will be the majority who remain in control and for the good of all Sedona residents instead of misdirected decisions of the past which clearly favored special interests.

Cheers and thanks for your input.
Sincerely,
Eddie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Crisp, you are 100% correct. The will of the people definitely was well served at the expense of a costly special election. One question, however, remains unanswered. Will the Initiative portion of that election, Prop. 411, be challenged in court? Some folks still maintain it&#8217;s unconstitutional.</p>
<p>If you are anticipating conclusions or predictions from me relating to the future of Sedona, it will not happen. There are those who pooh-pooh any notion that history will repeat itself. And when it does, some choose to remain in denial.</p>
<p>As has been said by others much smarter than I: &#8220;One person&#8217;s heaven is another person&#8217;s hell.&#8221; So no matter what, the will of ALL the people will never be served. Let us just hope it will be the majority who remain in control and for the good of all Sedona residents instead of misdirected decisions of the past which clearly favored special interests.</p>
<p>Cheers and thanks for your input.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Eddie</p>
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		By: Steve Crisp		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Crisp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The will of the people be damned?  I say NO.  Didn&#039;t the will of the people just get taken care of last November with the vote on 410/411 that countered the current city council&#039;s not listening to the will of us?  What more really needs to be said?  

Seems like a done deal.  People were heard and majority won.

Thank you for your obvious devotion and knowledge of history in Sedona.  

My question to you is why, after the will of the people was heard at the ballot box,  are you going back through old history that can not be undone?  What is your point and or goal? 

I do look forward to your next - Part Three - as I await you bringing all the ends together so we may have a better idea of your desired results and concepts.  Are we damned to hell or do we have hope? 

Keep on writing Eddie....bring us all to fruition.

S.C.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The will of the people be damned?  I say NO.  Didn&#8217;t the will of the people just get taken care of last November with the vote on 410/411 that countered the current city council&#8217;s not listening to the will of us?  What more really needs to be said?  </p>
<p>Seems like a done deal.  People were heard and majority won.</p>
<p>Thank you for your obvious devotion and knowledge of history in Sedona.  </p>
<p>My question to you is why, after the will of the people was heard at the ballot box,  are you going back through old history that can not be undone?  What is your point and or goal? </p>
<p>I do look forward to your next &#8211; Part Three &#8211; as I await you bringing all the ends together so we may have a better idea of your desired results and concepts.  Are we damned to hell or do we have hope? </p>
<p>Keep on writing Eddie&#8230;.bring us all to fruition.</p>
<p>S.C.</p>
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