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		By: Tom Longo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Longo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 06:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mrs Thomas, M. Brown &#038; M Allen..&quot;Hal&quot; and &quot;Willy Lowman&quot; are most probably the same individual ( and we all know who HE is). He has decided to do what he knows best, stir the pot and provide misinformation while lurking in the shadows. The former SFD board has hired a Chief who has been given the responsibility to run his department. Let&#039;s give him a chance to get the job done. If anyone has ANY questions, just take the time out to call or meet with him. I am sure that he will be more than glad to provide you with all of the facts you need in order to make a rational decision...unless, of course, your mind is already made up and your sole intent is to stir the pot/provide misinformation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mrs Thomas, M. Brown &amp; M Allen..&#8221;Hal&#8221; and &#8220;Willy Lowman&#8221; are most probably the same individual ( and we all know who HE is). He has decided to do what he knows best, stir the pot and provide misinformation while lurking in the shadows. The former SFD board has hired a Chief who has been given the responsibility to run his department. Let&#8217;s give him a chance to get the job done. If anyone has ANY questions, just take the time out to call or meet with him. I am sure that he will be more than glad to provide you with all of the facts you need in order to make a rational decision&#8230;unless, of course, your mind is already made up and your sole intent is to stir the pot/provide misinformation.</p>
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		By: Mrs Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Willy, Willy, Willy, Craig Craig Craig, let me understand this, you’re trying to make a dramatic comparison; Fire Dept vs. Department and then when you’re given solid proof of your foolishnes, you pooh pooh it as a minor issue?

The way I see it, the sitting fire board IS REFORMING the fire department by undoing all of the evils that (you) Dible, Blauert, Christensen and Erik had done and letting the new (well not any longer) Fire Chief DO HIS JOB!  

M. Brown, you won’t find Willy’s name because he doesn’t exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willy, Willy, Willy, Craig Craig Craig, let me understand this, you’re trying to make a dramatic comparison; Fire Dept vs. Department and then when you’re given solid proof of your foolishnes, you pooh pooh it as a minor issue?</p>
<p>The way I see it, the sitting fire board IS REFORMING the fire department by undoing all of the evils that (you) Dible, Blauert, Christensen and Erik had done and letting the new (well not any longer) Fire Chief DO HIS JOB!  </p>
<p>M. Brown, you won’t find Willy’s name because he doesn’t exist.</p>
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		By: M Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hal,

I didn&#039;t know that you work for SFD and have inside knowledge of the call at La Posada. Oh wait you don&#039;t, you drove by and that makes you an expert on the situation. Did you know the firefighters were able to locate the source of the fire and stop any spread before the whole development was impacted?  The hook and ladder (there are no hooks) was instrumental in the early location of the issue which meant no water needed to be discharged into the building causing no further damage. Next time the US launches a satellite into space could you comment on that, I&#039;m sure your valuable expertise and insight would be helpful to all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that you work for SFD and have inside knowledge of the call at La Posada. Oh wait you don&#8217;t, you drove by and that makes you an expert on the situation. Did you know the firefighters were able to locate the source of the fire and stop any spread before the whole development was impacted?  The hook and ladder (there are no hooks) was instrumental in the early location of the issue which meant no water needed to be discharged into the building causing no further damage. Next time the US launches a satellite into space could you comment on that, I&#8217;m sure your valuable expertise and insight would be helpful to all.</p>
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		By: M Brown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 18:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Willy, after seeing your posts I looked at the Yavapai County assessor website and found that we have one of the lowest mil rates in Yavapai County. I also looked up my parcel and tried to compare to yours, but I couldn&#039;t find any parcel assigned to a Lowman. I am hoping that I simply missed it and that you are not another outsider trying to influence our local governance here in Sedona. http://www.yavapai.us/assessor/files/2012/03/TaxRates.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willy, after seeing your posts I looked at the Yavapai County assessor website and found that we have one of the lowest mil rates in Yavapai County. I also looked up my parcel and tried to compare to yours, but I couldn&#8217;t find any parcel assigned to a Lowman. I am hoping that I simply missed it and that you are not another outsider trying to influence our local governance here in Sedona. <a href="http://www.yavapai.us/assessor/files/2012/03/TaxRates.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.yavapai.us/assessor/files/2012/03/TaxRates.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Janet S.		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sfd-draft-september-2013-board-meeting-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-27568</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janet S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Willy Lowman.      Be careful what you wish and/or ask for. That&#039;s how Sedona became an incorporated city caused by well meaning but foolish dreamers who thought local government would be the answer to creating paradise. Instead what do we have? A really really huge mess that&#039;s out of control with even more frivolous spending and currently the threat of city property taxes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Willy Lowman.      Be careful what you wish and/or ask for. That&#8217;s how Sedona became an incorporated city caused by well meaning but foolish dreamers who thought local government would be the answer to creating paradise. Instead what do we have? A really really huge mess that&#8217;s out of control with even more frivolous spending and currently the threat of city property taxes.</p>
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		By: Willy Lowman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willy Lowman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 23:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Being a District vs a City Fire department is a minor expense issue, it certainly isn&#039;t a $12 million spread. I guess after reading the ad hominem  statements in these blog it&#039;s evident reforming the SD Fire department isn&#039;t going to happen. Apparently the only thing we can do is defund it and dissolve it.  The City of Sedona should have their own fire department and VOC can do whatever they want, maybe have Cottonwood sub it out.

I would pencil in $2.2 million for the Fire Department for  the city and magically everyone&#039;s tax bill will go down by at least two thirds. Let&#039;s start a petition to get our own fire department.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a District vs a City Fire department is a minor expense issue, it certainly isn&#8217;t a $12 million spread. I guess after reading the ad hominem  statements in these blog it&#8217;s evident reforming the SD Fire department isn&#8217;t going to happen. Apparently the only thing we can do is defund it and dissolve it.  The City of Sedona should have their own fire department and VOC can do whatever they want, maybe have Cottonwood sub it out.</p>
<p>I would pencil in $2.2 million for the Fire Department for  the city and magically everyone&#8217;s tax bill will go down by at least two thirds. Let&#8217;s start a petition to get our own fire department.</p>
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		By: Mrs Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hal:

I apologize if you think that I’m nasty and personally attack people. There are people in this town who purposely disseminate the wrong information just to get attention or want to look &quot;smarter then a second grader&quot;; those are the people that I will and do confront head on.  

You on the other hand seem to ask some very real questions and I have a very simple answer.  Our fire chief is the point of contact and he is very open to questions from the community. In the case of the incident at Judi’s, like you said, you may have missed something. But, if you really want to know, CALL THE CHIEF to get real answers. 

As to your questions about the mil rate and taxes, I know that during the budget workshops Chief Kazian gave a great presentation addressing those same questions. So if you really want to know, the Chief really wants to tell you. All you have to do is call him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hal:</p>
<p>I apologize if you think that I’m nasty and personally attack people. There are people in this town who purposely disseminate the wrong information just to get attention or want to look &#8220;smarter then a second grader&#8221;; those are the people that I will and do confront head on.  </p>
<p>You on the other hand seem to ask some very real questions and I have a very simple answer.  Our fire chief is the point of contact and he is very open to questions from the community. In the case of the incident at Judi’s, like you said, you may have missed something. But, if you really want to know, CALL THE CHIEF to get real answers. </p>
<p>As to your questions about the mil rate and taxes, I know that during the budget workshops Chief Kazian gave a great presentation addressing those same questions. So if you really want to know, the Chief really wants to tell you. All you have to do is call him.</p>
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		By: Can't Resist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can't Resist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 17:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading this ongoing bantering reminds me of years ago when we lived in Woodland Hills, CA and the roof of a house down the street caught fire on Christmas day. Fire Department, of course, was called. However without efforts of neighbors with garden hoses the house would have been burned to the ground before anyone arrived. 

The problem was the decision about who should respond became the important issue: CITY of Los Angeles or COUNTY of Los Angeles and it was, after all, Christmas day, a holiday. (of course it was legal to use &quot;Christmas&quot; back then.)

Just be happy we don&#039;t have that argument here within our own fire DISTRICT (yet anyhow.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this ongoing bantering reminds me of years ago when we lived in Woodland Hills, CA and the roof of a house down the street caught fire on Christmas day. Fire Department, of course, was called. However without efforts of neighbors with garden hoses the house would have been burned to the ground before anyone arrived. </p>
<p>The problem was the decision about who should respond became the important issue: CITY of Los Angeles or COUNTY of Los Angeles and it was, after all, Christmas day, a holiday. (of course it was legal to use &#8220;Christmas&#8221; back then.)</p>
<p>Just be happy we don&#8217;t have that argument here within our own fire DISTRICT (yet anyhow.)</p>
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		By: Hal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 07:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t the entire object to get the Fire District to lower our mil rate and taxes rather than continuing to raise them?  Isn&#039;t the entire object to see them tighten their belts rather than causing us to spend more of our hard earned dollars?  Isn&#039;t the bottom line to stop the nasty and personal attacking bickering (Mrs Thomas) and to require a public entity to give us the best services at the lowest cost without all their bells and perk&#039;s? 

Did anyone happen to notice the activity at La Posada Shopping Center where Judi&#039;s Restaurant is last Thursday afternoon around 4 p.m.?  There were two ambulances, 1 Hook and Ladder Truck sitting on the street between Geo Moore&#039;s office and Judi&#039;s, 3 fire trucks, 4 Sedona police cars and NO SMOKE!  No water in the parking lot or road. There were two water hoses extended that were flat, 1 actual ladder going up to the roof above the flower shop, and people just standing around.  Granted I&#039;m sure I must have missed something yet I didn&#039;t miss the Hook and Ladder truck near the site and just sitting there costing $$$$$.

Hummm  how expensive was all that over kill of responders?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the entire object to get the Fire District to lower our mil rate and taxes rather than continuing to raise them?  Isn&#8217;t the entire object to see them tighten their belts rather than causing us to spend more of our hard earned dollars?  Isn&#8217;t the bottom line to stop the nasty and personal attacking bickering (Mrs Thomas) and to require a public entity to give us the best services at the lowest cost without all their bells and perk&#8217;s? </p>
<p>Did anyone happen to notice the activity at La Posada Shopping Center where Judi&#8217;s Restaurant is last Thursday afternoon around 4 p.m.?  There were two ambulances, 1 Hook and Ladder Truck sitting on the street between Geo Moore&#8217;s office and Judi&#8217;s, 3 fire trucks, 4 Sedona police cars and NO SMOKE!  No water in the parking lot or road. There were two water hoses extended that were flat, 1 actual ladder going up to the roof above the flower shop, and people just standing around.  Granted I&#8217;m sure I must have missed something yet I didn&#8217;t miss the Hook and Ladder truck near the site and just sitting there costing $$$$$.</p>
<p>Hummm  how expensive was all that over kill of responders?</p>
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		By: Mrs Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Willie, Willie Willie or should I say Craig, Craig, Craig- a man of your higher education should get it sooner or later especially since you were a SFD Board member but, then again you were appointed NEVER elected:

SFD is a fire DISTRICT and is its own government and has its own budget separate from the city. All of those other agencies are fire DEPARTMENTS who’s budget is under the city that employees them.  

In a fire DISTRICT they have to pay for everything that they use or own such as insurance, utilities, infrastructure and such. 

With most fire Departments (and all police departments) they are under a budget from the city that employees them. So the city will pay for everything except for the staff that is dedicated to the department. This includes insurance, utilities and such. 

So those figures are not as we say, “apples to apples”. But, I’m sure that YOU KNOW THAT, you just like to stir the pot.  Sort of like shouting FIRE in a movie theater.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willie, Willie Willie or should I say Craig, Craig, Craig- a man of your higher education should get it sooner or later especially since you were a SFD Board member but, then again you were appointed NEVER elected:</p>
<p>SFD is a fire DISTRICT and is its own government and has its own budget separate from the city. All of those other agencies are fire DEPARTMENTS who’s budget is under the city that employees them.  </p>
<p>In a fire DISTRICT they have to pay for everything that they use or own such as insurance, utilities, infrastructure and such. </p>
<p>With most fire Departments (and all police departments) they are under a budget from the city that employees them. So the city will pay for everything except for the staff that is dedicated to the department. This includes insurance, utilities and such. </p>
<p>So those figures are not as we say, “apples to apples”. But, I’m sure that YOU KNOW THAT, you just like to stir the pot.  Sort of like shouting FIRE in a movie theater.</p>
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