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		By: Andy in the VOC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy in the VOC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said, Josh!! I am well over 70 and feel that reality now is quite different than it was in the past. Now I can sit in my own living room, having my favorite beverage and watch a variety of governmental proceedings anywhere in Washington, Sacramento, City of Sedona and the Sedona Fire District. I LIKE this reality far more than the old one.

I also remember while going to college having to go to a variety of school and municipal libraries in rain and snow to do a research paper for one or more of my classes. The new reality provides students with the means of doing research via the internet and the means to access information from all corners of the world... and we take it all for granted!

Tommy, isn&#039;t it about time that you joined the NOW generation? We old folks should really benefit what the new generation has provided us with.

Andy in the VOC]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Josh!! I am well over 70 and feel that reality now is quite different than it was in the past. Now I can sit in my own living room, having my favorite beverage and watch a variety of governmental proceedings anywhere in Washington, Sacramento, City of Sedona and the Sedona Fire District. I LIKE this reality far more than the old one.</p>
<p>I also remember while going to college having to go to a variety of school and municipal libraries in rain and snow to do a research paper for one or more of my classes. The new reality provides students with the means of doing research via the internet and the means to access information from all corners of the world&#8230; and we take it all for granted!</p>
<p>Tommy, isn&#8217;t it about time that you joined the NOW generation? We old folks should really benefit what the new generation has provided us with.</p>
<p>Andy in the VOC</p>
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		By: E.S. Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.S. Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Josh.

IMO you just confimed the real reason for the City Council&#039;s &quot;Pre-meeting, Pre-discussion, Special Meeting, Workshop&quot; get-togethers in the Vultee Conference Room &quot;prior&quot; to the regular &quot;real&quot; meetings. 

No Sir, no TV in that Vulture Room to hold them accountable. Of course, audible tapes are available. Ha! Hardly the same.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Josh.</p>
<p>IMO you just confimed the real reason for the City Council&#8217;s &#8220;Pre-meeting, Pre-discussion, Special Meeting, Workshop&#8221; get-togethers in the Vultee Conference Room &#8220;prior&#8221; to the regular &#8220;real&#8221; meetings. </p>
<p>No Sir, no TV in that Vulture Room to hold them accountable. Of course, audible tapes are available. Ha! Hardly the same.  :-)</p>
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		By: Josh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[REALLY there commentor named Tommy????  Watching things in cyber doesn&#039;t cut it for those who live in reality???  That&#039;s the best you&#039;ve got???? 

From the Supreme Court on down to the local fire district, from Exxon Board Meetings to Facetime, from street security cameras to hand held i-phones, real time is reality!!!!  How old are you anyway????  Must be over 60 and living in the PAST time.  

The problem with sitting in council meetings is that live stream holds people accountable for WHAT they say, HOW they say it, WITHOUT the ability to weasel out of it later by saying some writer or citizen with a grudge didn&#039;t quote them correctly or took it out of context.  

ACCOUNTABILITY is here.  Ask people like Rodney King, Paris Hilton, Anthony Weiner, John Edwards, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Clinton and if you are as old as you seem to be remember how a missing 18 minutes changed history or Joe McCarthy was disgraced on TV or the Vietnam War and Iraqi Wars were brought in to living rooms in living blood colors or the hosings of civil rights workers or the tearing down of the Berlin Wall .   REALLY TOMMY????   Best you got????   

Any how like the article.  Comments also.

Josh, Sedona]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REALLY there commentor named Tommy????  Watching things in cyber doesn&#8217;t cut it for those who live in reality???  That&#8217;s the best you&#8217;ve got???? </p>
<p>From the Supreme Court on down to the local fire district, from Exxon Board Meetings to Facetime, from street security cameras to hand held i-phones, real time is reality!!!!  How old are you anyway????  Must be over 60 and living in the PAST time.  </p>
<p>The problem with sitting in council meetings is that live stream holds people accountable for WHAT they say, HOW they say it, WITHOUT the ability to weasel out of it later by saying some writer or citizen with a grudge didn&#8217;t quote them correctly or took it out of context.  </p>
<p>ACCOUNTABILITY is here.  Ask people like Rodney King, Paris Hilton, Anthony Weiner, John Edwards, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Clinton and if you are as old as you seem to be remember how a missing 18 minutes changed history or Joe McCarthy was disgraced on TV or the Vietnam War and Iraqi Wars were brought in to living rooms in living blood colors or the hosings of civil rights workers or the tearing down of the Berlin Wall .   REALLY TOMMY????   Best you got????   </p>
<p>Any how like the article.  Comments also.</p>
<p>Josh, Sedona</p>
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		By: Tommy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tommy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dunno...Watching things in cyber just doesn&#039;t cut it for those who live in reality. The council needs to see people before them and vice versa. Illusiions speak louder than words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno&#8230;Watching things in cyber just doesn&#8217;t cut it for those who live in reality. The council needs to see people before them and vice versa. Illusiions speak louder than words.</p>
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		By: AL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[n baer; fast forward to now.  there&#039;s live video.  

old school is sitting in council&#039;s chamber &#038; commenting publicly like we do here or writing or better even is VOTING PEOPLE OUT OR IN OFFICE BASED ON PERFORMANCE AND REPRESENTATION;;   add transparency to that.

case in point;  the flim flam land deal that real estate agent tried to ream taxpayer pockets with;;  case in point;  council hiding from cameras in premeets;  get my point?   don&#039;t see your point that there is a problem forming opinions based on LIVE STREAM media or reading opinions/facts to form an opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>n baer; fast forward to now.  there&#8217;s live video.  </p>
<p>old school is sitting in council&#8217;s chamber &amp; commenting publicly like we do here or writing or better even is VOTING PEOPLE OUT OR IN OFFICE BASED ON PERFORMANCE AND REPRESENTATION;;   add transparency to that.</p>
<p>case in point;  the flim flam land deal that real estate agent tried to ream taxpayer pockets with;;  case in point;  council hiding from cameras in premeets;  get my point?   don&#8217;t see your point that there is a problem forming opinions based on LIVE STREAM media or reading opinions/facts to form an opinion.</p>
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		By: Andy in the VOC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[N. Baer~you can also participate in our form of government by watching the entire council meeting verbatim, listen to the input from citizens and form your own opinion of what is actually taking place. You can also make your views known by emailing, writing letter to the City Manager and the City Council. Sitting through a boring meeting and listening to people who love to hear themselves talk and say nothing is not MY way of participating in our form of government. I suspect that it isn&#039;t for many people in town. Needless to say, I agree with Al.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N. Baer~you can also participate in our form of government by watching the entire council meeting verbatim, listen to the input from citizens and form your own opinion of what is actually taking place. You can also make your views known by emailing, writing letter to the City Manager and the City Council. Sitting through a boring meeting and listening to people who love to hear themselves talk and say nothing is not MY way of participating in our form of government. I suspect that it isn&#8217;t for many people in town. Needless to say, I agree with Al.</p>
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		By: N. Baer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Baer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Al - the purpose of attending City Council meetings is to give your personal opinion on any City issue that affects you. It is to participate in our form of government. Forming an opinion based on what someone else reports is problematic, as everyone especially the main stream media (owned and operated by large corporations) and politicians (ditto), have their own perceptions of how government should act.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al &#8211; the purpose of attending City Council meetings is to give your personal opinion on any City issue that affects you. It is to participate in our form of government. Forming an opinion based on what someone else reports is problematic, as everyone especially the main stream media (owned and operated by large corporations) and politicians (ditto), have their own perceptions of how government should act.</p>
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		By: Al		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hey Andy from VOC;;  you hit it on the nailhead, it makes no sense at all to me to sit in a council meeting as a spectator;; what&#039;s the purpose?  prefer to read commentors like maddock &#038; city councillors writings for context to get a feel for it all]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Andy from VOC;;  you hit it on the nailhead, it makes no sense at all to me to sit in a council meeting as a spectator;; what&#8217;s the purpose?  prefer to read commentors like maddock &amp; city councillors writings for context to get a feel for it all</p>
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		By: Eddie S. Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie S. Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The following quote is a portion of an e-mail I received from Mayor Rob Adams on June 14, 2012:

&quot;One of the top priorities that has been mentioned in the Community Plan ever since it was initially required by the State of AZ. WAs the community desire to have a creek walk or creek access. I am simply trying honor a community priority by bringing this to fruition.&quot;

A recent poll conducted by the Sedona Red Rock News indicates the following results in the edition dated Friday, July 13, 2012:

&quot;QUESTION: What Input Have You Made to the Sedona Community Plan?

RESULTS:

   6.8% Submitted card at a meeting
   2.2% Submitted comment online
   1.1% Visited the plan&#039;s office

89.9% What&#039;s the community plan?&quot;

The RRN acknowledges this isn&#039;t a scientific poll. However, with few exceptions the results of these local &quot;unofficial&quot; polls tend to accurately reflect the pulse of this community.

Therefore, the mayor intends to move forward with costly land acquisition, subsequent planning and implementation of a creek walk and accompanying park at an unknown cost, within an area designated as being in a flood plane and thus unknown liability to the city, based on input from an unknown number of the 10.1% of the people who have supplied input in the process of updating the Sedona Community Plan? Is there something wrong with this scenario?

Pay attention, voters, when that city owned property on Soldiers Pass  is offered to be sold, against the advice of the City Manager who suggested the council not sell the property for five or ten years, when real estate values stabilize.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following quote is a portion of an e-mail I received from Mayor Rob Adams on June 14, 2012:</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the top priorities that has been mentioned in the Community Plan ever since it was initially required by the State of AZ. WAs the community desire to have a creek walk or creek access. I am simply trying honor a community priority by bringing this to fruition.&#8221;</p>
<p>A recent poll conducted by the Sedona Red Rock News indicates the following results in the edition dated Friday, July 13, 2012:</p>
<p>&#8220;QUESTION: What Input Have You Made to the Sedona Community Plan?</p>
<p>RESULTS:</p>
<p>   6.8% Submitted card at a meeting<br />
   2.2% Submitted comment online<br />
   1.1% Visited the plan&#8217;s office</p>
<p>89.9% What&#8217;s the community plan?&#8221;</p>
<p>The RRN acknowledges this isn&#8217;t a scientific poll. However, with few exceptions the results of these local &#8220;unofficial&#8221; polls tend to accurately reflect the pulse of this community.</p>
<p>Therefore, the mayor intends to move forward with costly land acquisition, subsequent planning and implementation of a creek walk and accompanying park at an unknown cost, within an area designated as being in a flood plane and thus unknown liability to the city, based on input from an unknown number of the 10.1% of the people who have supplied input in the process of updating the Sedona Community Plan? Is there something wrong with this scenario?</p>
<p>Pay attention, voters, when that city owned property on Soldiers Pass  is offered to be sold, against the advice of the City Manager who suggested the council not sell the property for five or ten years, when real estate values stabilize.</p>
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		By: Andy in the VOC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy in the VOC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tommy--Let&#039;s not forget that now people can sit in the privacy of their own home and watch the City Council meetings either live on the Cable Channel or view it after the fact from the City&#039;s website and have the luxury of forwarding to any portion of the agenda they are interested in. 

Why sit throught the whole meeting and listen to a bunch of people who LOVE to hear themselves talk...and say absolutely NOTHING that&#039;s of any substance, when you can find what you are looking for in a couple of minutes and skip over the windbags?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy&#8211;Let&#8217;s not forget that now people can sit in the privacy of their own home and watch the City Council meetings either live on the Cable Channel or view it after the fact from the City&#8217;s website and have the luxury of forwarding to any portion of the agenda they are interested in. </p>
<p>Why sit throught the whole meeting and listen to a bunch of people who LOVE to hear themselves talk&#8230;and say absolutely NOTHING that&#8217;s of any substance, when you can find what you are looking for in a couple of minutes and skip over the windbags?</p>
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