You are so sadly funny! Someone stole your email? Oh Please – no one stole it – you just got caught with your pants down thinking you are the mega master mind political game player when in fact it is quite the opposite.

Thanks to @Sedona Flatlanders we now have an even more clear picture of your lack of integrity Why did you ask to not have the email passed around? Hum. Seems someone on your list took umbrage to your tactics and garbage.

Now you become even more absurd when you accuse “the Sedona Flatlanders or should i say the owner of the Sedona eye” of something they did wrong? Ya may just want to realize that the Flatlanders and Sedona Eye owner certainly did not write your words!

Then, steve, you ramble on to say that email contained the “Best marketing advice I have ever given.” So now you are also a marketing God? Think Not.

Do we have questions for you? Oh you bet: Why do you abuse state laws by listing your residence as your business which allows you to vote in city elections – when you actually live in the Canyon?

@Get Real – You said it best! Your comments are a good re-read for all – including mr. screw the laws.

The deal with the “agreement” for the tax increase based on the multi-million dollar ad contract was done before it even went to city council. There’s an article in a printed Sedona publication that proves it! Little wonder there were no competitive bids. How could someone compete with a consummated agreement?

Everyone involved in these pre-arranged deals is sleazy and should be ashamed. The only way for redemption would be to immediately activate the 30-day termination clause and end the agreement.

And you even admitted someplace along the line that the chamber contract only advertised for destination tourists during Sedona “down times” amounting to what, a couple of times a year? Pretty high priced spending – $1.5 million divided by 2 = $750g’s per ad season. And what is the return on that investment? A question that this city council and management should demand an answer. Also along with that demand should be an outside audit without the opportunity to cook the books or make an outlandish performance before the city council that if nominated might win an Academy Award. (You are really missing your calling in little Sedona.)

A calculated guess would be a true and legitimate audit would reveal that most of the “gifted” money to the chamber has been co-mingled with other funds (chamber memberships, or whatever) and pays for salaries, utilities, a mortgage on the chamber building if one exists because of the remodeling (at one time it was owned free and clear, paid for legitimately by member dues). But especially how much public money has been spent to increase chamber membership and promote and expand their own web site – maybe even contributing to exotic vacations – all by having chiseled a negotiation prior to the inconvenience of having it voted on at a public meeting.

Listen up, folks. This is the true Sedona. Maybe the most beautiful place in the world but where the filthiest, dirtiest, slimiest negotiations transpire behind the scene. And people thought this type of government only occurred at top level? Ha!

You want to go after someone for exposing you? The way you keep yammering you do a pretty good job yourself. Luckily you only have two feet to put in your mouth but your tentacles for grabbing onto city taxes are too numerous to keep track of.

Count your money and shut up. The “legitimate?” crooks on city council support you so why waste time on the little “flatlanders” most of whom are so frustrated they have no place else to go to vent their concerns.

The lie you keep repeating ‘there is no city tax”, has been shown to be a lie, with proof, so many times. Yet you keep repeating it, again and again.

Just because you repeat a lie over and over does not make it true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing

The citizens was things to be FAIR. Yes, I know Steve, that you think FAIR is where you ride the Tilt-a-Whirl and eat cotton candy, but that not the type of FAIR we’re discussing here.

We’re pointing the light into the darkness. The cockroaches are scurrying.

-JJ

I see cliff as a life long autocrat… we need to tell that story “Sandy gets her hands dirty…. Cliff talks and talks down.

Can you get me his background? I am thinking about a large rental truck parked around town with sides with Sands posters… remember all Sedona residents go to two locations each week, Bash’s and Safeway,

Lets be smart, lets run a gorilla marketing campaign

I think Cliff will try to paint the chamber in a bad light so he can come in and fix things ,lets keep the chamber out of this, and talk about and Cliff and his imperil management stile.
I think using the “T” party as a comment would be good.

Steve

Look at Sand http://www.sedonaaz.gov/Sedonacms/index.aspx?page=866&parent=23282 funding

Sandy Moriarty –
Campaign chairman -Al Comello -non resident, chamber, adult center paid job by City
Ed Conway-Chamber-Hotel (non resident)
Lonnie Lillie-Hotel, Director Chamber, Mainstreet
Tom Gilomen- Chamber Multiple Business owner,
Steve Segner- Chamber-Hotel
Linda Goldenstein –Chamber Vice Chairman
Joel Gilgoff- Chamber Chairman
Rob Holeman- Chamber- Hotel
Glenn Scarpelli –Chamber
Jerry Gilden – Chamber
Holly Epright- Chamber Director of city-funded mainstreet paid executive Director
David Harkey Chamber’s PAID advertising agency company located in Phoenix*****

We remember! Dirty dirty dirty. your ads

We ALL pay property tax and the City gets their fair share. The Fire Districts and School districts are not part of the city. The counties pay according to the services the city handles. Health services also come from the county. It not the same in other areas where the city has their own schools, fire department, Library. Oh don’t forget the state gives the city money from our taxes they collect. Car licenses also. We pay you play. The counties were first.

Thank you so much for proving my point. The chamber is a private membership group not an exclusive club for the city.They are not marketing the city but their members. Look at Flagstaff Steve. The city doesn’t fund the chamber one penny in Flag. It is NOT the government’s job to pay for your advertising. A city our size falls into a different category. They DON”T have to do anything. Small town shenanigans. Smoke, mirrors, confusion.

Impact fees are a great way to increase income for the city. Since it cost us taxpayers more to provide services to those in tourist industry. That is a perfect fit. We have all those employees coming into the city, wow 8,000 of them according to your number almost as many as the residents. Good to know your employees cost us money, impact fees.

PS. I really love your words ” 65% of the cost of running Sedona come from tourists.” But I actually think your tourist game is costing us more, especially since the Taxpayers are paying you 1.5. It going to be really fun and interesting to do a spread sheet on the “real” cost of doing business with your private-public partnership. The ROI of course could be done quite easy if your members would report their numbers directly to City Hall. But that would disclose the facts in a clear and transparent way. Just Sayin’ Are you following FOIA, since your funded with public money?

Gotta run got buns in the oven and customers are lining up.

PSS another good read http://www.velvetrevolution.us/stop_chamber/images/irs_complaint_9_10_10.pdf