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		By: Mrs. Rodger Thomas, VOC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs. Rodger Thomas, VOC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To all of those people that want to go back to volunteers, can you all please answer one question for me, who do you think will volunteer????? 

Most of the population in Sedona is way over 50 years old and all or most are retired and possibly over the age limit if there is one. Of those younger men willing to volunteer, when will they have time to take approximately 1500 hours of training just to obtain their certification, work their normal jobs AND share time with their families, ALL FOR FREE???? 

I have a nice young neighbor down the block that used to be on the volunteers way back when, he said that for those who REALLY volunteered, it took a lot of his free time but, back then he was single working at Basha’s and didn’t have to answer to his family. 

Now, he says that with his 2 jobs, wife and children there’s no way that a person can give that much of themselves FOR FREE! Also, what employer could afford to let one or more of their employees leave work, whenever there was a medical call, I believe that there were 65 medical calls last month. What business can afford to allow that anymore?  

So, let’s stop this nonsense about volunteers as no one could afford to do that in today’s times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of those people that want to go back to volunteers, can you all please answer one question for me, who do you think will volunteer????? </p>
<p>Most of the population in Sedona is way over 50 years old and all or most are retired and possibly over the age limit if there is one. Of those younger men willing to volunteer, when will they have time to take approximately 1500 hours of training just to obtain their certification, work their normal jobs AND share time with their families, ALL FOR FREE???? </p>
<p>I have a nice young neighbor down the block that used to be on the volunteers way back when, he said that for those who REALLY volunteered, it took a lot of his free time but, back then he was single working at Basha’s and didn’t have to answer to his family. </p>
<p>Now, he says that with his 2 jobs, wife and children there’s no way that a person can give that much of themselves FOR FREE! Also, what employer could afford to let one or more of their employees leave work, whenever there was a medical call, I believe that there were 65 medical calls last month. What business can afford to allow that anymore?  </p>
<p>So, let’s stop this nonsense about volunteers as no one could afford to do that in today’s times.</p>
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		By: Kevin		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-fire-board-public-budget-workshop-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-9802</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see that you are advertising for the recall candidates and that is bias.  We need to keep the present budget slashers who want to sell off the equipment and return the fire department to volunteer services that work fine before and will work fine in the future.  We should join with other fire departments and not keep a fire department sleeping on the job when we don&#039;t need them.  We need to slash the budget more and because most of us don&#039;t ever need the fire department it could be a pay as you use service and people should have to subscribe to get the services.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that you are advertising for the recall candidates and that is bias.  We need to keep the present budget slashers who want to sell off the equipment and return the fire department to volunteer services that work fine before and will work fine in the future.  We should join with other fire departments and not keep a fire department sleeping on the job when we don&#8217;t need them.  We need to slash the budget more and because most of us don&#8217;t ever need the fire department it could be a pay as you use service and people should have to subscribe to get the services.</p>
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		By: M allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jane/Tony/Lowell/Justin  

Let it go. Walk away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane/Tony/Lowell/Justin  </p>
<p>Let it go. Walk away.</p>
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		By: jane aire		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-fire-board-public-budget-workshop-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-9789</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane aire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, paying for training - continuing education for the operations personnel so as to have competent responders is one thing. 

Paying for ANY SFD personnel to obtain AA, bachelors and masters degrees that enable them to receive an in house promotion is what I am referring to, and something completely different all together. 

With you being a senior citizen, my contributions to social security are funding your generation&#039;s monthly payments - as your contributions funded the generation prior and I have no qualms or complaints about that - same goes for the school district. My child&#039;s education - Kindergarten through 12th grade is being funded by the current adult tax paying contributions, as were the generations before and as will the generations after. However, the Post-High school, Secondary education (College) will not be paid for by the tax payer (unless of course she gets on with Sedona Fire District). 

Like I said, continuing education - to ensure the operations personnel are competent in their chosen career path is one thing - to have any and all SFD personnel expect the tax payers to pay for their continuing Post-Highschool, Secondary education (College) to get them promoted is another thing completely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, paying for training &#8211; continuing education for the operations personnel so as to have competent responders is one thing. </p>
<p>Paying for ANY SFD personnel to obtain AA, bachelors and masters degrees that enable them to receive an in house promotion is what I am referring to, and something completely different all together. </p>
<p>With you being a senior citizen, my contributions to social security are funding your generation&#8217;s monthly payments &#8211; as your contributions funded the generation prior and I have no qualms or complaints about that &#8211; same goes for the school district. My child&#8217;s education &#8211; Kindergarten through 12th grade is being funded by the current adult tax paying contributions, as were the generations before and as will the generations after. However, the Post-High school, Secondary education (College) will not be paid for by the tax payer (unless of course she gets on with Sedona Fire District). </p>
<p>Like I said, continuing education &#8211; to ensure the operations personnel are competent in their chosen career path is one thing &#8211; to have any and all SFD personnel expect the tax payers to pay for their continuing Post-Highschool, Secondary education (College) to get them promoted is another thing completely.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-fire-board-public-budget-workshop-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-9784</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[jane~as a senior living in the SFD district, I have more of a need of a well-trained firefighter/paramedic who is there 24/7 in case I have a medical emergency, than a schools system. Yet, I am subsidizing the education of your children and everybody else&#039;s children which costs me far more than the professional services being provided by SFD staff. As a taxpayer, I expect for them to have the best training money can buy and the same applies to the police officers in our city.

As you can understand, as a senior, I personally am getting a lot more out of the Sedona Fire District on a day to day, month to month or annual basis than I am from the school system. Yet, I am willing to help pay for your children&#039;s education which costs me far more than I pay for SFD services. Shouldn’t you be willing to do the same?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jane~as a senior living in the SFD district, I have more of a need of a well-trained firefighter/paramedic who is there 24/7 in case I have a medical emergency, than a schools system. Yet, I am subsidizing the education of your children and everybody else&#8217;s children which costs me far more than the professional services being provided by SFD staff. As a taxpayer, I expect for them to have the best training money can buy and the same applies to the police officers in our city.</p>
<p>As you can understand, as a senior, I personally am getting a lot more out of the Sedona Fire District on a day to day, month to month or annual basis than I am from the school system. Yet, I am willing to help pay for your children&#8217;s education which costs me far more than I pay for SFD services. Shouldn’t you be willing to do the same?</p>
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		By: Glenn Shannon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn Shannon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee Bill did you read concerned taxpayer as to how many people are above the fire fighters? Their administration is way out of line and on this there can be no dispute. Yes I know the school system doesn&#039;t go and fight fires but when comparing costs to run one system against another there is a correlation. If the school system had the administration  the fire department does could just imagine the cost.  Wish the people that have a personal interest in a large SFD budget would come forward and identify themselves in your articles so to make it easier to see they want again to hose the taxpayers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Bill did you read concerned taxpayer as to how many people are above the fire fighters? Their administration is way out of line and on this there can be no dispute. Yes I know the school system doesn&#8217;t go and fight fires but when comparing costs to run one system against another there is a correlation. If the school system had the administration  the fire department does could just imagine the cost.  Wish the people that have a personal interest in a large SFD budget would come forward and identify themselves in your articles so to make it easier to see they want again to hose the taxpayers.</p>
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		By: Joe Mitchell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Mitchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Think I smell a paffrath with some of these comments?  Not a smart paffrath at that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think I smell a paffrath with some of these comments?  Not a smart paffrath at that.</p>
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		By: jane aire		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-fire-board-public-budget-workshop-minutes/comment-page-1/#comment-9776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jane aire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[school districts vs the fire district - Well when tax payers are paying for the children to get a decent education and the tax payers are paying for grown adults employed at SFD to get an education for an in-house promotion I see an opportunity for concern and reevaluation. 

 Why is it that the tax payer is expected to pay for the education of  the employees of SFD so that those employees can get promoted to an even higher pay step? 

My child will have to study hard &#038; work for scholarships &#038; grants while in the public school system as well as hope that I as a tax payer have something left to donate to further her education yet these grown adults expect me as a tax payer to pay for their educations for their promotions as well?

I don&#039;t know how many of you readers had the expectation or the convenience to have your college credits fees dispersed amoungst the tax payers so that you could get promoted in your choice of career. 

With a child in the school system, I personally am getting alot more out of the school system on a day to day, month to month or annual basis than I am from the Sedona Fire District.  My child goes to school 9 months out of the year, every year, but I have never had the need to call upon or utilize SFD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>school districts vs the fire district &#8211; Well when tax payers are paying for the children to get a decent education and the tax payers are paying for grown adults employed at SFD to get an education for an in-house promotion I see an opportunity for concern and reevaluation. </p>
<p> Why is it that the tax payer is expected to pay for the education of  the employees of SFD so that those employees can get promoted to an even higher pay step? </p>
<p>My child will have to study hard &amp; work for scholarships &amp; grants while in the public school system as well as hope that I as a tax payer have something left to donate to further her education yet these grown adults expect me as a tax payer to pay for their educations for their promotions as well?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many of you readers had the expectation or the convenience to have your college credits fees dispersed amoungst the tax payers so that you could get promoted in your choice of career. </p>
<p>With a child in the school system, I personally am getting alot more out of the school system on a day to day, month to month or annual basis than I am from the Sedona Fire District.  My child goes to school 9 months out of the year, every year, but I have never had the need to call upon or utilize SFD.</p>
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		By: Concerned Taxpayer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned Taxpayer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 01:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Around 2002 SFD had two events that increased their spending enormously. 

Housing values in Sedona jumped, and their were two firefighters wives on the board to make sure it was all spent. According to the SFD website, the SFD budget went from 6.6 million in 2002 to 15.9 million in 2009. 

Did your income go up 240%? SFD&#039;s did. 

Now it needs to come back to reality. Which is about 8 million accounting for inflation for a district this size. According to SFD it needs to be 12 million or we are all going to die. The last major fire was Lumbermans in 2005 according to the SFD. All going to die, I doubt it?

As to SFD legal fees, a private citizen can call the SFD attorneys and get it billed to SFD. Hazime&#039;s resignation and replacement incurred  additional fees. 
This is just a guess, but when you are passing out money as SFD did in the past, the whole staff joins in. When you try to cut an entrenched bureaucracy, you better check with your lawyers. 

I think the board of Blauert, Christensen, and Erick, working for free to make SFD an efficient and responsive depart should be commended. 

If you want to check my facts, they come from  Sedona fire.org.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around 2002 SFD had two events that increased their spending enormously. </p>
<p>Housing values in Sedona jumped, and their were two firefighters wives on the board to make sure it was all spent. According to the SFD website, the SFD budget went from 6.6 million in 2002 to 15.9 million in 2009. </p>
<p>Did your income go up 240%? SFD&#8217;s did. </p>
<p>Now it needs to come back to reality. Which is about 8 million accounting for inflation for a district this size. According to SFD it needs to be 12 million or we are all going to die. The last major fire was Lumbermans in 2005 according to the SFD. All going to die, I doubt it?</p>
<p>As to SFD legal fees, a private citizen can call the SFD attorneys and get it billed to SFD. Hazime&#8217;s resignation and replacement incurred  additional fees.<br />
This is just a guess, but when you are passing out money as SFD did in the past, the whole staff joins in. When you try to cut an entrenched bureaucracy, you better check with your lawyers. </p>
<p>I think the board of Blauert, Christensen, and Erick, working for free to make SFD an efficient and responsive depart should be commended. </p>
<p>If you want to check my facts, they come from  Sedona fire.org.</p>
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		By: Bill, uptown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill, uptown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could we please stop talking about the school district costs and the SFD costs in the same sentence?  There isn&#039;t and never has been any similarities between the two districts and I know that as a honcho with the schools.  The school districts do not provide any similar SFD service so the comparison is moot.  I&#039;ve seen it enough times from a few writers that I must speak out.  Use an analysis or a metaphor that makes sense.  No one should have elected anyone who used a school district&#039;s numbers to determine if a fire, rescue, and ambulance district was performing.  Please desist from being so ill-informed when you choose to speak or write. It&#039;s annoying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we please stop talking about the school district costs and the SFD costs in the same sentence?  There isn&#8217;t and never has been any similarities between the two districts and I know that as a honcho with the schools.  The school districts do not provide any similar SFD service so the comparison is moot.  I&#8217;ve seen it enough times from a few writers that I must speak out.  Use an analysis or a metaphor that makes sense.  No one should have elected anyone who used a school district&#8217;s numbers to determine if a fire, rescue, and ambulance district was performing.  Please desist from being so ill-informed when you choose to speak or write. It&#8217;s annoying.</p>
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