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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Petrified Forest National Park closed Wednesday following federal, state and local guidance to promote social distancing and slow the spread of the Wuhan virus. We The Park will notify the public when it resumes full operations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petrified Forest National Park closed Wednesday following federal, state and local guidance to promote social distancing and slow the spread of the Wuhan virus. We The Park will notify the public when it resumes full operations.</p>
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		By: @Mike H		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-extends-policy-to-keep-city-facilities-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-274955</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[@Mike H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2020 01:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They CHEAT those that live outside the city 99% use their business address to vote on city issues. (deleted by editor)  The city only listens to the chamber. Time for the business to have their own voice. Jennifer is only worried about her 12K a month. imo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They CHEAT those that live outside the city 99% use their business address to vote on city issues. (deleted by editor)  The city only listens to the chamber. Time for the business to have their own voice. Jennifer is only worried about her 12K a month. imo</p>
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		By: Mike H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2020 00:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry Steve, Sedona belongs to residents. Tourists, the Mariott and chamber members who live outside on Sedona are not allowed to vote. Even someone as dense as you should be able to understand that. The fact that we have idiots on the city council that listen to you and the chamber does not change facts. Residents can take the city back.  Tourists don&#039;t get a vote Steve, get it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Steve, Sedona belongs to residents. Tourists, the Mariott and chamber members who live outside on Sedona are not allowed to vote. Even someone as dense as you should be able to understand that. The fact that we have idiots on the city council that listen to you and the chamber does not change facts. Residents can take the city back.  Tourists don&#8217;t get a vote Steve, get it?</p>
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		By: Steve Segner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Segner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is not 17 century England with the landed gentry living here gives you no special rights our  city Council is elected to represent all the people with visitors the renters and the people who live here full-time and part-time this town is going to come back strong count on it or leave. Look up the definition of a tourist town idiot]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not 17 century England with the landed gentry living here gives you no special rights our  city Council is elected to represent all the people with visitors the renters and the people who live here full-time and part-time this town is going to come back strong count on it or leave. Look up the definition of a tourist town idiot</p>
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		By: Andy, Chapel area		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy, Chapel area]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NO we don&#039;t live in a tourist town. 

We DO live in a small mountain town that other people like to visit. 

We DO own the properties that make this town a town or it would be vacant land. 

We DO have property rights here that usurp visitor rights because WE get to make the rules for those that access our land and impact it.

It is OUR land. Not theirs. They get the view, the right to traverse trailheads we build and maintain, and if they are taxpayers then they have rights to say what USFS ought to be doing with CNF and state parks. WE live in a DEMOCRACY. YOU live in an AUTOCRACY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO we don&#8217;t live in a tourist town. </p>
<p>We DO live in a small mountain town that other people like to visit. </p>
<p>We DO own the properties that make this town a town or it would be vacant land. </p>
<p>We DO have property rights here that usurp visitor rights because WE get to make the rules for those that access our land and impact it.</p>
<p>It is OUR land. Not theirs. They get the view, the right to traverse trailheads we build and maintain, and if they are taxpayers then they have rights to say what USFS ought to be doing with CNF and state parks. WE live in a DEMOCRACY. YOU live in an AUTOCRACY.</p>
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		By: Sedona Larry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sedona Larry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2020 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If 80% of tourists pay our taxes we&#039;re F***** by the council &#038; chamber for loading us with monster debt to service.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 80% of tourists pay our taxes we&#8217;re F***** by the council &amp; chamber for loading us with monster debt to service.</p>
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		By: steve Segner		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/sedona-extends-policy-to-keep-city-facilities-closed/comment-page-1/#comment-274944</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve Segner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2020 19:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People You live in a Tourist town, you have no special rights, when someone drives through or stays in town they are just like you. Cities do not offer or grant citizenship to people that live ot pay taxes in town, if that were the case visitors would be in charge.So stop the us verses them crap. 10,000 people make a living in Sedona from visitors,,,, then the_is is over it will be back to normal....... Do you never go to other towns or travel ?  One world. NIMBY&#039;s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People You live in a Tourist town, you have no special rights, when someone drives through or stays in town they are just like you. Cities do not offer or grant citizenship to people that live ot pay taxes in town, if that were the case visitors would be in charge.So stop the us verses them crap. 10,000 people make a living in Sedona from visitors,,,, then the_is is over it will be back to normal&#8230;&#8230;. Do you never go to other towns or travel ?  One world. NIMBY&#8217;s</p>
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		By: Liz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2020 00:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve, go talk to Wesselhoff because we&#039;ve been told many times and you&#039;ve been told your numbers are wrong. Where&#039;s that money for your employees coming from? City? Big Daddy&#039;s Wallet? Either way you get the money back because of Donald Trump. 

Thank those Republicans for it, Steve, because the Democrats don&#039;t have the wherewithal to fill a paper bag with Monopoly money. A good businessman knows who supports his efforts or he&#039;s a gamer. Maybe  you game the city and vote Republican in the privacy of the ballet? Good for you if you do, Steve.  Democrat me will shut up and vote Republican this time around and any smart citizen should do the same. Democrats have ruined our party and until it&#039;s cleaned out, I&#039;m not playing in that self destruct the country sandbox. I thought I&#039;d never say that but there it is. Keep friends and family close and happy says Confucius if you dine at the public table because it&#039;s the little things that will out you. Use Joe Biden as a source about how life at the public trough comes back to haunt you. There&#039;s a reason Obama has never endorsed Joe for President but Barack endorsed Trudeau of Canada (meddling in other countries politics, eh? Barack hates England, maybe he&#039;s hoping Canada fails?) and yet he won&#039;t touch Joe with a ten foot pole. Democrats all know why he wouldn&#039;t endorse Joe, we hoped the Republicans didn&#039;t know but they do. Now the world sees why and it&#039;s the Democrats fault. Yours and mine and ours, man. Own it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, go talk to Wesselhoff because we&#8217;ve been told many times and you&#8217;ve been told your numbers are wrong. Where&#8217;s that money for your employees coming from? City? Big Daddy&#8217;s Wallet? Either way you get the money back because of Donald Trump. </p>
<p>Thank those Republicans for it, Steve, because the Democrats don&#8217;t have the wherewithal to fill a paper bag with Monopoly money. A good businessman knows who supports his efforts or he&#8217;s a gamer. Maybe  you game the city and vote Republican in the privacy of the ballet? Good for you if you do, Steve.  Democrat me will shut up and vote Republican this time around and any smart citizen should do the same. Democrats have ruined our party and until it&#8217;s cleaned out, I&#8217;m not playing in that self destruct the country sandbox. I thought I&#8217;d never say that but there it is. Keep friends and family close and happy says Confucius if you dine at the public table because it&#8217;s the little things that will out you. Use Joe Biden as a source about how life at the public trough comes back to haunt you. There&#8217;s a reason Obama has never endorsed Joe for President but Barack endorsed Trudeau of Canada (meddling in other countries politics, eh? Barack hates England, maybe he&#8217;s hoping Canada fails?) and yet he won&#8217;t touch Joe with a ten foot pole. Democrats all know why he wouldn&#8217;t endorse Joe, we hoped the Republicans didn&#8217;t know but they do. Now the world sees why and it&#8217;s the Democrats fault. Yours and mine and ours, man. Own it.</p>
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		By: steve Segner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve Segner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 19:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Liz says: Chamber needs to shut down &#038; workers laid off. Join the real world or lose the next election cycle when its used to judge your performance that you were shown the money and who gave it to you.  Liz if you are going to run for city council you have till April 15, get going 
 10,000 workers make there living in Sedona , and you do what hide out all day 
I do not understand why you moved to a tourist town. The chamber is not advertising, 80% of taxes come from tourists and thousands of people pay bills with jobs in the tourism industry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz says: Chamber needs to shut down &amp; workers laid off. Join the real world or lose the next election cycle when its used to judge your performance that you were shown the money and who gave it to you.  Liz if you are going to run for city council you have till April 15, get going<br />
 10,000 workers make there living in Sedona , and you do what hide out all day<br />
I do not understand why you moved to a tourist town. The chamber is not advertising, 80% of taxes come from tourists and thousands of people pay bills with jobs in the tourism industry.</p>
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		By: Sondra, Chapel area		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sondra, Chapel area]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The city has and will continue to be useless during the pandemic, and the counties appear to be stepping up, further highlighting that Sedona really would be fine under county control. And no more rampant advertising for more tourists. Sedona had, and will continue to have, tourism without advertising. 

The Chamber argues two things, both of which are dishonest arguments.

(1) They argue on one hand that they are not responsible for the crush of tourists, and that &quot;we would have them anyway&quot; without advertising. Then, they argue that if we taxpayers forced the city council to reduce the amount of money it gives to the chamber, that would hurt tourist-oriented business owners. Sorry, chamber, you cannot make both arguments. Just a couple of years ago, CEO Jennifer Wesselhoff was talking about &quot;putting on the brakes&quot; of advertising to reduce tourism impacts. Seems to me that&#039;s a pretty direct admission that the chamber believes advertising does drive tourism.

(2) The chamber argues that what they REALLY do is &quot;manage&quot; tourism, not promote it. Well, if you weren&#039;t promoting tourism and continually driving the numbers up for the Lodging Council, you would need a million dollars a year to &quot;manage the impacts&quot; of tourism.

When the pandemic has subsided (and it will be awhile), I sure hope voters will remember just how much Sedona suffered economically because ignorant city council members and the city manager continued to lick the boots of the Lodging Council and mindlessly handed over far too many tax dollars to the chamber of commerce to spend on tourism &quot;management.&quot;  We should also remember just how nice it has been to be able to enjoy the peace and quiet of Sedona without the normal crush of springtime tourists. Too bad it took a pandemic to make it happen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city has and will continue to be useless during the pandemic, and the counties appear to be stepping up, further highlighting that Sedona really would be fine under county control. And no more rampant advertising for more tourists. Sedona had, and will continue to have, tourism without advertising. </p>
<p>The Chamber argues two things, both of which are dishonest arguments.</p>
<p>(1) They argue on one hand that they are not responsible for the crush of tourists, and that &#8220;we would have them anyway&#8221; without advertising. Then, they argue that if we taxpayers forced the city council to reduce the amount of money it gives to the chamber, that would hurt tourist-oriented business owners. Sorry, chamber, you cannot make both arguments. Just a couple of years ago, CEO Jennifer Wesselhoff was talking about &#8220;putting on the brakes&#8221; of advertising to reduce tourism impacts. Seems to me that&#8217;s a pretty direct admission that the chamber believes advertising does drive tourism.</p>
<p>(2) The chamber argues that what they REALLY do is &#8220;manage&#8221; tourism, not promote it. Well, if you weren&#8217;t promoting tourism and continually driving the numbers up for the Lodging Council, you would need a million dollars a year to &#8220;manage the impacts&#8221; of tourism.</p>
<p>When the pandemic has subsided (and it will be awhile), I sure hope voters will remember just how much Sedona suffered economically because ignorant city council members and the city manager continued to lick the boots of the Lodging Council and mindlessly handed over far too many tax dollars to the chamber of commerce to spend on tourism &#8220;management.&#8221;  We should also remember just how nice it has been to be able to enjoy the peace and quiet of Sedona without the normal crush of springtime tourists. Too bad it took a pandemic to make it happen.</p>
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