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		By: N. Baer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Baer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alas Mike, you still don&#039;t get it. 

If ADOT puts in 108 35&#039; tall lights . . . Current code allows 100,000 lm/ac x 0.65 CU x 0.85 LLF x 0.15 reflectivity = 8,300 lm/ac uplight

=&#062; Therefore impact of proposed roadway lighting is comparable to 230,000/8,300 = ~30 acres (commercial) development as estimated by Chris Luginbuhl, US Naval Observatory Flagstaff Station 

There will be no stars to gaze at anywhere in Sedona!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas Mike, you still don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>If ADOT puts in 108 35&#8242; tall lights . . . Current code allows 100,000 lm/ac x 0.65 CU x 0.85 LLF x 0.15 reflectivity = 8,300 lm/ac uplight</p>
<p>=&gt; Therefore impact of proposed roadway lighting is comparable to 230,000/8,300 = ~30 acres (commercial) development as estimated by Chris Luginbuhl, US Naval Observatory Flagstaff Station </p>
<p>There will be no stars to gaze at anywhere in Sedona!</p>
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		By: Bettye		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bettye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Mike, I can&#039;t Thank You enough!  I&#039;m sure You can&#039;t see it, but Your ramblings have just converted &#039;no&#039; votes to &quot;YES&quot; votes.

Vote &quot;Yes&quot; on 410 for Safety &amp; Sanity in Sedona!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, I can&#8217;t Thank You enough!  I&#8217;m sure You can&#8217;t see it, but Your ramblings have just converted &#8216;no&#8217; votes to &#8220;YES&#8221; votes.</p>
<p>Vote &#8220;Yes&#8221; on 410 for Safety &#038; Sanity in Sedona!</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[count on adot keeping the road and lights shining up the night sky !!  the airport overlook has a telescope; we don&#039;t need to cater to star gazers 

the forest service puts signs up for trailheads; we don&#039;t need to cater to rock sitters.  let the forest service deal with granola bags and empty water bottles.

sedona offers what tourists and residents need &amp; this city needs restaurants, shopping centers, more housing developments, and businesses that extract money from peoples wallets after they looked through the airport telescope and walked around the rocks.  

views are free.  the rocks aren&#039;t going anywhere.  we need tourists money to stay in sedona cash registers !!

Pink Jeep and other tours USE the rocks and views to make money. Businesses need to USE the rocks and views &amp; not keep them off limits.  NO ONE CAN SEE THE VIEWS IN SEDONA AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT&#039;S TOO DARK SO WHO CARES IF THE NIGHT SKY IS LIT BRIGHTER THAN THE SUPER BOWL FOOTBALL STADIUM??   GET REAL !!

tree huggers and rock sitters can&#039;t organize a breakfast for two let alone get people to vote in this election which is why adot will keep the road &amp; line it with superfine beautiful LIGHTS.  GO ADOT  !!

nobody cares about the VIEWS more than if they get to EAT !! eating red rocks isn&#039;t an option people will ever choose. 

people who build million dollar homes can afford drapes to block the lights.  the businesses need the lights to pull in $$$$ at night.  REAL WORLD.  

Without businesses sedona is a podunk town like the towns in ohio.  If ohio towns are so great why come to sedona????

my mama is proud

she taught me not to be a fool

(bet you liked the CAPS use;  seems people can&#039;t help but emphasize WORDS)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>count on adot keeping the road and lights shining up the night sky !!  the airport overlook has a telescope; we don&#8217;t need to cater to star gazers </p>
<p>the forest service puts signs up for trailheads; we don&#8217;t need to cater to rock sitters.  let the forest service deal with granola bags and empty water bottles.</p>
<p>sedona offers what tourists and residents need &#038; this city needs restaurants, shopping centers, more housing developments, and businesses that extract money from peoples wallets after they looked through the airport telescope and walked around the rocks.  </p>
<p>views are free.  the rocks aren&#8217;t going anywhere.  we need tourists money to stay in sedona cash registers !!</p>
<p>Pink Jeep and other tours USE the rocks and views to make money. Businesses need to USE the rocks and views &#038; not keep them off limits.  NO ONE CAN SEE THE VIEWS IN SEDONA AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT&#8217;S TOO DARK SO WHO CARES IF THE NIGHT SKY IS LIT BRIGHTER THAN THE SUPER BOWL FOOTBALL STADIUM??   GET REAL !!</p>
<p>tree huggers and rock sitters can&#8217;t organize a breakfast for two let alone get people to vote in this election which is why adot will keep the road &#038; line it with superfine beautiful LIGHTS.  GO ADOT  !!</p>
<p>nobody cares about the VIEWS more than if they get to EAT !! eating red rocks isn&#8217;t an option people will ever choose. </p>
<p>people who build million dollar homes can afford drapes to block the lights.  the businesses need the lights to pull in $$$$ at night.  REAL WORLD.  </p>
<p>Without businesses sedona is a podunk town like the towns in ohio.  If ohio towns are so great why come to sedona????</p>
<p>my mama is proud</p>
<p>she taught me not to be a fool</p>
<p>(bet you liked the CAPS use;  seems people can&#8217;t help but emphasize WORDS)</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 06:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Mike!
You&#039;re a real Boy Scout!
Your mother must be so proud...........]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike!<br />
You&#8217;re a real Boy Scout!<br />
Your mother must be so proud&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Eddie Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eddie Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 04:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey boys and girls,  are any of you authorities on bee stings? Only honey bees have barbed stingers which causes them to die after they sting. 

Those &quot;barbs&quot; remain in a human&#039;s skin so that they can continue pumping venom inside. So, even though it only stings you once, it injects a considerable amount of venom. It doesn&#039;t need to sting you more than once.

One sting from Sedona&#039;s Honey Bees, dressed in yellow T&#039;s instead of jackets, stands to inflict a lifetime of ongoing indebtedness to those who are victims, long after the culprits are dead and gone.

A &quot;NO&quot; vote on Prop. 410 will assure immunity to this debilitating disease.

Eddie Maddock]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey boys and girls,  are any of you authorities on bee stings? Only honey bees have barbed stingers which causes them to die after they sting. </p>
<p>Those &#8220;barbs&#8221; remain in a human&#8217;s skin so that they can continue pumping venom inside. So, even though it only stings you once, it injects a considerable amount of venom. It doesn&#8217;t need to sting you more than once.</p>
<p>One sting from Sedona&#8217;s Honey Bees, dressed in yellow T&#8217;s instead of jackets, stands to inflict a lifetime of ongoing indebtedness to those who are victims, long after the culprits are dead and gone.</p>
<p>A &#8220;NO&#8221; vote on Prop. 410 will assure immunity to this debilitating disease.</p>
<p>Eddie Maddock</p>
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		By: Debbie and Jim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie and Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s to beating back developers and commercial retailers on 89A:

VOTE YES ON PROP 410. SAVE OUR CITY....SOCk it to &#039;em! 

SAY HELL NO TO LIGHTS IN OUR LIVING ROOMS.  TELL ADOT WE SAY YES TO KICKING THEM OUT OF OUR HOMES AND OFF OUR STREETS.

Mail in votes don&#039;t leave any more time for disorganization. 70% of voters better say YES to kicking ADOT out of town or people will stop coming. Read the comments above and kiss our way of life goodbye if ADOT gets to run our town.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s to beating back developers and commercial retailers on 89A:</p>
<p>VOTE YES ON PROP 410. SAVE OUR CITY&#8230;.SOCk it to &#8217;em! </p>
<p>SAY HELL NO TO LIGHTS IN OUR LIVING ROOMS.  TELL ADOT WE SAY YES TO KICKING THEM OUT OF OUR HOMES AND OFF OUR STREETS.</p>
<p>Mail in votes don&#8217;t leave any more time for disorganization. 70% of voters better say YES to kicking ADOT out of town or people will stop coming. Read the comments above and kiss our way of life goodbye if ADOT gets to run our town.</p>
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		By: DTGU		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 20:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bingo 2 u Visitor.  hit the nail on the head.

tho&#039;t same when in town last week.  take exception w/ traffic rounds comment bcuz we r familiar with &amp; prefer over stop signs or traffic sigs.

dizappointed in sedona after hype. 

views extra ordinary &amp; worth seeing once or twice in day &amp; night.  

nothing else worth the trip including ur Hyatt area, Viz.  sorry 4 the bummer, good hippie.

Pink Jeep tour worth early hour and price.  

Cuchina Rustica rez in south sedona worth price hands down.  

bike rental in south sedona worth ride.  

south sedona nicer in evening than other areas.  walkable, quiet, no glaring lights to disturb beauty of eve sitting on benches star gazing (sit away from rounds 4 best view).  

liked Exposures gallery.  

Hillside center looked good (like metal art spinners) til parked &amp; glare of lights ruined ambience.  sorry Irish pub that didn&#039;t get our biz.

went to Olde Sedona Bar and Grill but didn&#039;t look clean &amp; smelled musty &amp; entertainment was 2 old guys trying to be cool rockers.  (liked Reds entertainers on Weds/Fri. down the road)

my fam takes copious notes on trips to blog.  

sedona given a 4.5 out of 8 rating.  

day views &amp; Cuchina Rustica &amp; south sedona Bell Rock area given high scores for day &amp; night.  super bargain @ Desert Flour bakery bistro w/$25 pizza special &amp; good food &amp; good cheers like barkeep and locals.    

touristy main street a thumbs down.  hyatt area mediocre (sorry Viz).  

Tlaquepaque gets passable grade w/mediocre rezs &amp; shops.  high five that Mickey D arch is turquoise.  

liked movie theatre for authenticity. 

Cafe Jose in south sedona has good cheap breakfast before 9 am.  (Did not prefer Cafe Jose near Mickey&#039;s.)  

pretty good tex-mex at Casa Bonita rez.  

best pizza in north sedona goes to Pizza Heaven.

best new age shop is Crystal Magic.  best clothing store is none.  best gallery is Exposures.  best second place gallery is none.  

most overpriced hair cut &amp; color is Salon Virtu.  (beats even Santa Barb prices. C&#039;mon.)

most overrated Marketplace Cafe.  most underrated Studio Live.

The Darby Trekkers Global Universe
Santa Barbara CA &#038; Kittery Maine]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bingo 2 u Visitor.  hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>tho&#8217;t same when in town last week.  take exception w/ traffic rounds comment bcuz we r familiar with &#038; prefer over stop signs or traffic sigs.</p>
<p>dizappointed in sedona after hype. </p>
<p>views extra ordinary &#038; worth seeing once or twice in day &#038; night.  </p>
<p>nothing else worth the trip including ur Hyatt area, Viz.  sorry 4 the bummer, good hippie.</p>
<p>Pink Jeep tour worth early hour and price.  </p>
<p>Cuchina Rustica rez in south sedona worth price hands down.  </p>
<p>bike rental in south sedona worth ride.  </p>
<p>south sedona nicer in evening than other areas.  walkable, quiet, no glaring lights to disturb beauty of eve sitting on benches star gazing (sit away from rounds 4 best view).  </p>
<p>liked Exposures gallery.  </p>
<p>Hillside center looked good (like metal art spinners) til parked &#038; glare of lights ruined ambience.  sorry Irish pub that didn&#8217;t get our biz.</p>
<p>went to Olde Sedona Bar and Grill but didn&#8217;t look clean &#038; smelled musty &#038; entertainment was 2 old guys trying to be cool rockers.  (liked Reds entertainers on Weds/Fri. down the road)</p>
<p>my fam takes copious notes on trips to blog.  </p>
<p>sedona given a 4.5 out of 8 rating.  </p>
<p>day views &#038; Cuchina Rustica &#038; south sedona Bell Rock area given high scores for day &#038; night.  super bargain @ Desert Flour bakery bistro w/$25 pizza special &#038; good food &#038; good cheers like barkeep and locals.    </p>
<p>touristy main street a thumbs down.  hyatt area mediocre (sorry Viz).  </p>
<p>Tlaquepaque gets passable grade w/mediocre rezs &#038; shops.  high five that Mickey D arch is turquoise.  </p>
<p>liked movie theatre for authenticity. </p>
<p>Cafe Jose in south sedona has good cheap breakfast before 9 am.  (Did not prefer Cafe Jose near Mickey&#8217;s.)  </p>
<p>pretty good tex-mex at Casa Bonita rez.  </p>
<p>best pizza in north sedona goes to Pizza Heaven.</p>
<p>best new age shop is Crystal Magic.  best clothing store is none.  best gallery is Exposures.  best second place gallery is none.  </p>
<p>most overpriced hair cut &#038; color is Salon Virtu.  (beats even Santa Barb prices. C&#8217;mon.)</p>
<p>most overrated Marketplace Cafe.  most underrated Studio Live.</p>
<p>The Darby Trekkers Global Universe<br />
Santa Barbara CA &amp; Kittery Maine</p>
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		By: Sedona visitor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sedona visitor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My family and I were in Sedona this past week. We&#039;ve had a timeshare at the Hyatt for about 8 years now. My first experience there was wonderful, and yes I enjoyed the dark night skies and also the views in the day light hours. 

Now to the nitty-gritty.

We spend on average $500 to a $1000 dollars during our short stays there. The grocery store, gas, gifts for friends, and purchase anything we may have forgotten to bring. But the last two times we visited the banter on the drive home has not been positive on what Sedona is becoming. That post office near those gawd awful traffic circles is just so noisy and they leave those bright lights on 24/7. Not to mention the sirens blaring thru town in the evenings. 

We are considering selling our timeshare now, and yes this coming from an old hippie who just so happens to have money to spend. The northern california coast is still nice and quiet with just 2 laners and no street lights. Just the way God intended.  C-YA  8-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I were in Sedona this past week. We&#8217;ve had a timeshare at the Hyatt for about 8 years now. My first experience there was wonderful, and yes I enjoyed the dark night skies and also the views in the day light hours. </p>
<p>Now to the nitty-gritty.</p>
<p>We spend on average $500 to a $1000 dollars during our short stays there. The grocery store, gas, gifts for friends, and purchase anything we may have forgotten to bring. But the last two times we visited the banter on the drive home has not been positive on what Sedona is becoming. That post office near those gawd awful traffic circles is just so noisy and they leave those bright lights on 24/7. Not to mention the sirens blaring thru town in the evenings. </p>
<p>We are considering selling our timeshare now, and yes this coming from an old hippie who just so happens to have money to spend. The northern california coast is still nice and quiet with just 2 laners and no street lights. Just the way God intended.  C-YA  8-)</p>
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		By: Marlene Rayner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You forgot one thing, Mike. People (residents and tourists) come here for the Beauty, Small Town, Dark Skies and all those things you denigrate. Sedona&#039;s business is tourism. The product we sell to everyone, tourist and resident alike, is our beauty. Destroy the beauty we sell and it is like anywhere else - not worth making the effort to come to. The shopping, art, and good food is a bonus - not the original attraction. Time to wise-up before you destroy the place. The majority (70%) of actual residents live in West Sedona. They deserve an attractive, safe  Main Street, which would actually increase your business in West Sedona. Vote YES on 410!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot one thing, Mike. People (residents and tourists) come here for the Beauty, Small Town, Dark Skies and all those things you denigrate. Sedona&#8217;s business is tourism. The product we sell to everyone, tourist and resident alike, is our beauty. Destroy the beauty we sell and it is like anywhere else &#8211; not worth making the effort to come to. The shopping, art, and good food is a bonus &#8211; not the original attraction. Time to wise-up before you destroy the place. The majority (70%) of actual residents live in West Sedona. They deserve an attractive, safe  Main Street, which would actually increase your business in West Sedona. Vote YES on 410!</p>
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		By: N. Baer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Baer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 22:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, the traffic on W. 89A is mostly residential. The Transportation Board’s data as referenced by the PowerPoint presentation of “complete streets” on http://www.completestreets.org/complete-streets-fundamentals/ shows:
that of all trips; 50% are under 3 miles, 28% are 1 mile or less and 72% of trips 1 mile or less are driven. 

Accounting for the approximately 7,000 residents in W. Sedona, it is seems clear that most of the traffic on W. 89A is residents and not tourists. 

Furthermore, it puzzles me why those businesses in W. Sedona wouldn’t welcome local control so that everyone traveling on W. 89A can actually see their businesses, rather than buzzing by to get to Uptown or along the SR 179 corridor.

Nancy Baer

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the traffic on W. 89A is mostly residential. The Transportation Board’s data as referenced by the PowerPoint presentation of “complete streets” on <a href="http://www.completestreets.org/complete-streets-fundamentals/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.completestreets.org/complete-streets-fundamentals/</a> shows:<br />
that of all trips; 50% are under 3 miles, 28% are 1 mile or less and 72% of trips 1 mile or less are driven. </p>
<p>Accounting for the approximately 7,000 residents in W. Sedona, it is seems clear that most of the traffic on W. 89A is residents and not tourists. </p>
<p>Furthermore, it puzzles me why those businesses in W. Sedona wouldn’t welcome local control so that everyone traveling on W. 89A can actually see their businesses, rather than buzzing by to get to Uptown or along the SR 179 corridor.</p>
<p>Nancy Baer</p>
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