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		By: Wm. D.		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/going-around-in-circles-about-roundabouts/comment-page-1/#comment-273778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wm. D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Evidence prevails. The dumbest thing was the city to approve Tlaquepaque North without consideration of increased foot traffic crossing a State Highway. And yes, Steve Segner, we all know people have the right to develop their properties. However without foresight of obvious negative consequences isn&#039;t it just plain dumb?

As for traffic lights versus roundabouts, wake up, Folks! Even prior to Tlaque North there were times traffic had to wait for the light to change three times before getting through the &quot;Y&quot; intersection! It&#039;s hard to fathom how long it would take this day and age with the city&#039;s stupid mistakes. At least w/roundabouts traffic keeps moving if at times only at a snail&#039;s pace.

Just remember the mess the city made of uptown SR89A, the only section of the state route they own (thank goodness for that). And to this day they don&#039;t get that they own the traffic light up there! They expect ADOT to keep it functional? OMG how much scarier can it get?

Can hardly wait for this SIM to move along. Any bets it won&#039;t &quot;fix&quot; anything to correct the traffic situation but just create more problems. Inmates running the asylum is becoming an understatement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence prevails. The dumbest thing was the city to approve Tlaquepaque North without consideration of increased foot traffic crossing a State Highway. And yes, Steve Segner, we all know people have the right to develop their properties. However without foresight of obvious negative consequences isn&#8217;t it just plain dumb?</p>
<p>As for traffic lights versus roundabouts, wake up, Folks! Even prior to Tlaque North there were times traffic had to wait for the light to change three times before getting through the &#8220;Y&#8221; intersection! It&#8217;s hard to fathom how long it would take this day and age with the city&#8217;s stupid mistakes. At least w/roundabouts traffic keeps moving if at times only at a snail&#8217;s pace.</p>
<p>Just remember the mess the city made of uptown SR89A, the only section of the state route they own (thank goodness for that). And to this day they don&#8217;t get that they own the traffic light up there! They expect ADOT to keep it functional? OMG how much scarier can it get?</p>
<p>Can hardly wait for this SIM to move along. Any bets it won&#8217;t &#8220;fix&#8221; anything to correct the traffic situation but just create more problems. Inmates running the asylum is becoming an understatement.</p>
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		By: Roundabouts are perfect in some situations		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roundabouts are perfect in some situations]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are perfect in low traffic, courteous drivers and people familiar with where they are going. 

That does not apply to most people driving in Sedona.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are perfect in low traffic, courteous drivers and people familiar with where they are going. </p>
<p>That does not apply to most people driving in Sedona.</p>
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		By: runamuck7		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2020 23:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have visited Sedona many times over the last 20 years, as recently as this weekend, I&#039;m done with it.  It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t know how to navigate them, it&#039;s the raised potential of a collision with drivers less than knowledgeable of how to deal with them.  Aggressive drivers just make it worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have visited Sedona many times over the last 20 years, as recently as this weekend, I&#8217;m done with it.  It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t know how to navigate them, it&#8217;s the raised potential of a collision with drivers less than knowledgeable of how to deal with them.  Aggressive drivers just make it worse.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roundabouts are not good.. for everyone!  I have no problem driving through them.  As you can see others that visit Sedona have no experience with them and are not confident driving through them, they can cause an accident.  We visit Sedona now and then but lately have considered not visiting because of these (way too many of them) roundabouts.  

I wonder how a pedestrian or a cyclist would get through with out getting run over?   ONE roundabout I don&#039;t mind but please remove the rest!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roundabouts are not good.. for everyone!  I have no problem driving through them.  As you can see others that visit Sedona have no experience with them and are not confident driving through them, they can cause an accident.  We visit Sedona now and then but lately have considered not visiting because of these (way too many of them) roundabouts.  </p>
<p>I wonder how a pedestrian or a cyclist would get through with out getting run over?   ONE roundabout I don&#8217;t mind but please remove the rest!!!</p>
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		By: joan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2013 00:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My visit to Sedona began with me feeling very negative &#038; nervous about the roundabouts, but after one afternoon of driving, I am a believer. Yes, I stopped upon entering my first one because the oncoming traffic seemed to be coming into the intersection so fast, but in no time I got the hang of it. I love how gracefully the traffic flows and was struck with how well the road was designed to preserve the natural beauty of the environment. Yes, one must pay attention going through the roundabout, but that&#039;s how it should be. No texting! I&#039;ve read up on the construction of the roundabouts in Sedona and feel nothing but admiration for the citizens of Sedona for their collaboration with ADOT and their support of this innovative and green approach.  Kudos!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My visit to Sedona began with me feeling very negative &amp; nervous about the roundabouts, but after one afternoon of driving, I am a believer. Yes, I stopped upon entering my first one because the oncoming traffic seemed to be coming into the intersection so fast, but in no time I got the hang of it. I love how gracefully the traffic flows and was struck with how well the road was designed to preserve the natural beauty of the environment. Yes, one must pay attention going through the roundabout, but that&#8217;s how it should be. No texting! I&#8217;ve read up on the construction of the roundabouts in Sedona and feel nothing but admiration for the citizens of Sedona for their collaboration with ADOT and their support of this innovative and green approach.  Kudos!</p>
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		By: Barbara		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Aug 2013 21:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Coming from the UK where roundabouts are the norm not the exception I had no problems with the roundabouts other than this: In the UK if you are going further round the roundabout than straight across you are supposed to indicate that you are doing this and then indicate that you are exiting.  This allows the person waiting to see that you are exiting the roundabout and allows them to start making their way across.  Personally I love them, they make the traffic flow much better than four way stops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from the UK where roundabouts are the norm not the exception I had no problems with the roundabouts other than this: In the UK if you are going further round the roundabout than straight across you are supposed to indicate that you are doing this and then indicate that you are exiting.  This allows the person waiting to see that you are exiting the roundabout and allows them to start making their way across.  Personally I love them, they make the traffic flow much better than four way stops.</p>
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		By: BillyBob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BillyBob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a little experienced in roundabouts in other parts of the country, and STILL got honked at by impatient locals.  What am I supposed to do, pull right in front of a car already zipping through the circle?  No.  It left a bad impression on me.  I saw it happen to others as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little experienced in roundabouts in other parts of the country, and STILL got honked at by impatient locals.  What am I supposed to do, pull right in front of a car already zipping through the circle?  No.  It left a bad impression on me.  I saw it happen to others as well.</p>
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		By: Michael Burke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Burke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting to understand the stress that roundabouts seem to instill in drivers. If you consider the work of Hans Monderman in the Netherlands who contends that basically intersections are dangerous... they should appear dangerous and people should be mindful when they enter them. The uncertainty that they afford may actually be the reason they are safer because people can&#039;t drive automatically through them like they do on a highway.  The research has shown however that 2 lane roundabouts are not as effective.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to understand the stress that roundabouts seem to instill in drivers. If you consider the work of Hans Monderman in the Netherlands who contends that basically intersections are dangerous&#8230; they should appear dangerous and people should be mindful when they enter them. The uncertainty that they afford may actually be the reason they are safer because people can&#8217;t drive automatically through them like they do on a highway.  The research has shown however that 2 lane roundabouts are not as effective.</p>
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		By: Darnell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I visited Sedona recently.  I have been in many roundabouts, but never in a two lane...so it was terribly confusing.  I just played it safe and if there was ANY traffic in the circle, I waited, even if they were in the other lane.  I&#039;m still working the two lane thing out in my head and think I understand, but because people aren&#039;t used to multiple lanes in a roundabout (or even single lane roundabouts) I think it&#039;s downright dangerous considering all the tourist traffic that Sedona gets.  I nearly had a nervous breakdown as my husband drove through the double lane roundabouts.  I thought sure we were going to be hit on two seperate occasions.  And I&#039;m sorry that it pisses locals off that tourists stop at the yield sign.  But the alternative is that they don&#039;t stop and cause an accident.  I think most people are just trying to figure out how the heck the two lanes work, so give us tourists a break.  We bring a lot of money into your town, so please, have some patience!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I visited Sedona recently.  I have been in many roundabouts, but never in a two lane&#8230;so it was terribly confusing.  I just played it safe and if there was ANY traffic in the circle, I waited, even if they were in the other lane.  I&#8217;m still working the two lane thing out in my head and think I understand, but because people aren&#8217;t used to multiple lanes in a roundabout (or even single lane roundabouts) I think it&#8217;s downright dangerous considering all the tourist traffic that Sedona gets.  I nearly had a nervous breakdown as my husband drove through the double lane roundabouts.  I thought sure we were going to be hit on two seperate occasions.  And I&#8217;m sorry that it pisses locals off that tourists stop at the yield sign.  But the alternative is that they don&#8217;t stop and cause an accident.  I think most people are just trying to figure out how the heck the two lanes work, so give us tourists a break.  We bring a lot of money into your town, so please, have some patience!</p>
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		By: Michael Schroeder		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is too bad that there are a few that have a negative impression of round a bouts.  The elimination of traffic signals, all the overhead wires and visual congestion has made the Village look much more peaceful and pleasing to the eye.  There was there much study and input done on round a bouts.  They not only offer a safer intersection by eliminating often fatal or serious “t bone” accidents, they keep traffic flowing even in the busiest of times.  As one who has experienced a dramatic increase in them in my old home town of Fishers, and Carmel Indiana, (suburb of Indianapolis) I can say that the issues with rush hour and signal problems have been eliminated.  They have been so successful that intersections are being removed and round abouts are being installed everywhere, even on 4 lane highways that get as much traffic during a morning rush hour as highway 179 will see all week.

Since I live off Back O Beyond road, I experience round abouts in both directions as I often go to the Village.  I see many cars from all over the country, and yes, occasionally a tourist will stop before entering, but that is a rare occasion.  And if you follow that “tourist” the more round a abouts they enter the smoother they get.  People are not stupid, they pick things up pretty quickly, especially the double round a bout in Sedona by the post office.  I think, considering these have been in Europe for decades, we should give USA drivers at least the benefit of the doubt that we are as smart as the Europeans.

Enjoy the safety, the beauty, and the low maintenance cost.  They will continue to grow as they should throughout the country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too bad that there are a few that have a negative impression of round a bouts.  The elimination of traffic signals, all the overhead wires and visual congestion has made the Village look much more peaceful and pleasing to the eye.  There was there much study and input done on round a bouts.  They not only offer a safer intersection by eliminating often fatal or serious “t bone” accidents, they keep traffic flowing even in the busiest of times.  As one who has experienced a dramatic increase in them in my old home town of Fishers, and Carmel Indiana, (suburb of Indianapolis) I can say that the issues with rush hour and signal problems have been eliminated.  They have been so successful that intersections are being removed and round abouts are being installed everywhere, even on 4 lane highways that get as much traffic during a morning rush hour as highway 179 will see all week.</p>
<p>Since I live off Back O Beyond road, I experience round abouts in both directions as I often go to the Village.  I see many cars from all over the country, and yes, occasionally a tourist will stop before entering, but that is a rare occasion.  And if you follow that “tourist” the more round a abouts they enter the smoother they get.  People are not stupid, they pick things up pretty quickly, especially the double round a bout in Sedona by the post office.  I think, considering these have been in Europe for decades, we should give USA drivers at least the benefit of the doubt that we are as smart as the Europeans.</p>
<p>Enjoy the safety, the beauty, and the low maintenance cost.  They will continue to grow as they should throughout the country.</p>
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