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		By: Steve E.		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/eye-on-sedonas-vocal-discord/comment-page-2/#comment-66857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve E.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Little doubt that with all the hype and scare tactics others have also had &quot;a struggle of conscience&quot; @Chris. However, your suggestion for &quot;better organization&quot; if we remain stuck with uncontrolled spending (and unaccountable for that matter referencing Chamber of Commerce and affiliates) might be the only hope for those still around in four years.

It&#039;s certain to be a long day and even a longer four years if Home Rule passes. If defeated, a mere two years of good behavior will for sure serve us well in order to see if the city &quot;earns&quot; the privilege to write their own script again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little doubt that with all the hype and scare tactics others have also had &#8220;a struggle of conscience&#8221; @Chris. However, your suggestion for &#8220;better organization&#8221; if we remain stuck with uncontrolled spending (and unaccountable for that matter referencing Chamber of Commerce and affiliates) might be the only hope for those still around in four years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certain to be a long day and even a longer four years if Home Rule passes. If defeated, a mere two years of good behavior will for sure serve us well in order to see if the city &#8220;earns&#8221; the privilege to write their own script again.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 23:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will vote No on Home Rule after a struggle of conscience and while it may not come to pass it will the next time with better organization.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will vote No on Home Rule after a struggle of conscience and while it may not come to pass it will the next time with better organization.</p>
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		By: Jean		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/eye-on-sedonas-vocal-discord/comment-page-2/#comment-60732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Shannon:  Why ignore the City of Sedona Shooting Range Calendar?  It reveals 12 law enforcement agency reservations for the month of August.  And thus far 9 exist for the month of September.  Of the 21 reservations only two are for the Sedona PD. The City of Sedona is spending a whopping $391,943 for improvements to a shooting range used mainly by various Verde Valley law enforcement agencies. 

Another great reason for the Sedona electorate to vote NO on Home Rule.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shannon:  Why ignore the City of Sedona Shooting Range Calendar?  It reveals 12 law enforcement agency reservations for the month of August.  And thus far 9 exist for the month of September.  Of the 21 reservations only two are for the Sedona PD. The City of Sedona is spending a whopping $391,943 for improvements to a shooting range used mainly by various Verde Valley law enforcement agencies. </p>
<p>Another great reason for the Sedona electorate to vote NO on Home Rule.</p>
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		By: Ace		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/eye-on-sedonas-vocal-discord/comment-page-2/#comment-61328</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Vote No.  Keep the city from raising your taxes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote No.  Keep the city from raising your taxes.</p>
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		By: RECUSE FROM VOTING		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/eye-on-sedonas-vocal-discord/comment-page-2/#comment-60427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RECUSE FROM VOTING]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Councilor Jessica Williamson  works for a timeshare. She should not vote on this timeshare issue.

What about locations without doors such as inside shopping areas. Where would they post a warning?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Councilor Jessica Williamson  works for a timeshare. She should not vote on this timeshare issue.</p>
<p>What about locations without doors such as inside shopping areas. Where would they post a warning?</p>
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		By: Compounding Reality		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Compounding Reality]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The thought recently came to mind, while perusing these comments, is that the additional complexity to Sedona businesses, is the existence of time shares, or vacation clubs, or whatever name they are given. We have the Chamber allegedly composed of members from unincorporated areas, and only a fraction of all of Sedona businesses at that and then we have the &quot;clubs, resorts, timeshares.&quot; What seems to be missing from city government leadership is some kind of overall logical approach that encompasses these entities and their activities.It seems to me the City should be asking the Chamber where its &quot;destination marketing&quot; program is different from that done by the timeshares? Keeping these entities separate is not to Sedona&#039;s advantage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought recently came to mind, while perusing these comments, is that the additional complexity to Sedona businesses, is the existence of time shares, or vacation clubs, or whatever name they are given. We have the Chamber allegedly composed of members from unincorporated areas, and only a fraction of all of Sedona businesses at that and then we have the &#8220;clubs, resorts, timeshares.&#8221; What seems to be missing from city government leadership is some kind of overall logical approach that encompasses these entities and their activities.It seems to me the City should be asking the Chamber where its &#8220;destination marketing&#8221; program is different from that done by the timeshares? Keeping these entities separate is not to Sedona&#8217;s advantage.</p>
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		By: Steve E.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve E.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Shannon, Camp Verde
But don&#039;t you know, nobody does it better than Sedona? (so thinks the majority of the current omnipotent city council.) They want to control the entire Verde Valley. Really, it&#039;s becoming more of a joke and insult on a daily basis. (costly at that) But then consider the area they have &quot;targeted&quot; for all this expansion. The sewer plant. (as in their &quot;sewage&quot; doesn&#039;t stink.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shannon, Camp Verde<br />
But don&#8217;t you know, nobody does it better than Sedona? (so thinks the majority of the current omnipotent city council.) They want to control the entire Verde Valley. Really, it&#8217;s becoming more of a joke and insult on a daily basis. (costly at that) But then consider the area they have &#8220;targeted&#8221; for all this expansion. The sewer plant. (as in their &#8220;sewage&#8221; doesn&#8217;t stink.)</p>
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		By: A Real Flatlander		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Real Flatlander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2014 03:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;And, my friends, here we go again!  

Mr Segner is showing his true coat of colors with the great, vastly perceived empirical and superior knowledge and perceived power &lt;strong&gt;he believes he has&lt;/strong&gt;.   

Remember he is currently the President of the Sedona Lodging Council which is a partner with the Sedona (Regional) Chamber of Commerce and in that position continued to tell the Council..&quot;Just Trust Me, Just TRUST Me&quot; when it came to the City giving more and more money to the chamber and lodging folks .  Here are the latest &quot;pearls&quot; from Mr. Steve himself:
 
From: Steve Segner 
 
&quot;Everyone,
 
Apparently several people got a hold of a &quot;private&quot; email from me that I had sent to a few friends and posted it on a local news website. It is now making the rounds with the naysayers who love to bash Sedona. In the email, I was stating my desire to see a more creative and direct information campaign in the mayoral election. I just do not think Cliff Hamilton is the right person to be our mayor.
I stated I was in favor of what is called &quot;Guerrilla Marketing .. A creative way in getting a message to people.. Read about it here:  www.gmarketing.com
 
(........here is where I - Flatlander - Deciding to take a walk on the wild side, I went to the aforementioned  &quot;Guerrilla Marketing&quot; web site as referenced by Steve Segner and read the following:

&quot; This alternative advertising style relies heavily on unconventional marketing strategy, high energy and and imagination.  It does appear that to Steve Segner that facts don&#039;t matter.  Need I say more about the credibility of Mr. Segner, his ethics and integrity?  Anyone he supports and any concept he try&#039;s to parlay will become automatic NO Votes for me!  I vote NO on Sandy M and on Home Rule which are his two biggie&#039;s.)
 
(back to Mr Segner&#039;s words) -----
 
&quot;So, since some are intent on using my personal email to their advantage, here is one to deliberately pass along but I bet they dont pass it on. But you can!
 
I donate hundreds of hours to help any organization that asks for marketing help, I guess no good deed goes UN punished   
 
Steve
 
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Fellow Sedonanswe are at a cross roads.
 
Do we elect as mayor the person that was the leader in killing the Arts Commission, a leader and funder of the effort for Sedona to take ownership of 89A (where over 71% of Sedona was against it), was against the night sky protecting street lighting now installed on 89A, and in general seems to be unfriendly to the art, business and tourism community.
 
This letter, and an ad from me, is in this Fridays Red Rock News please pass it around and get out and vote,
 
(The great news is that while Segner believes he is the great OZ - that bubble was busted and he has no curtain to stand behind any longer as he declared himself a Guerrilla Marketer.)
 
Please read on to see his ad in the red rock news:
Paid Advertisement
August 4, 2014 !
Fellow Sedonans,
In the last few weeks I have received numerous phone calls and emails asking, Who Are you going to vote for in the Sedona mayoral race?On the surface, this is not an easy question to answer. Both candidates, Sandy Moriarty And Cliff Hamilton are past council members and are well respected in Sedona. When I spoke with Cliff several weeks ago, I asked him about the possible installation Of parking meters in Uptown as part of the comprehensive solution to its traffic Problems and he commented I will follow the wishes of the merchants!
I asked what about the other 8,000 people in town? Dont their needs and votes also Count? !But he says he would follow the wishes of the people involved. I can respect his opinion, even if I do not agree. Since then, I have done a little research and found out that Cliff was a leader in the Campaign and effort for Sedona to Take over ownership of State Route 89A from ADOT. He actually wanted the city to take ownership and financial responsibility for 89A. That is ok, too!. He has every right to push his own agenda, except he was on the Loosing side of this issue. Over 70% of Sedona said NO! Sedona did not want to own And maintain an expensive state highway. So much for listening to and being in tune with the will of the people.Sandy is a long time, 42 year resident of Sedona. She was one of our initial council Persons when we incorporated in 1988. I have found Sandy to be a good listener and A fair-minded team player. Sandy fought the efforts of Hamilton and others to take ownership of State Route 89A And stood with majority of the voters in Sedona who agreed with her.!So that is my answer, its Sandy for Mayor! !Your Neighbor, Steve Segner! Owner, El Portal Inn, Sedona Paid for by Steve Segner
FROM THE DESK OF STEVE SEGNER


This Flatlander doesn&#039;t think there is much more to say on the merits of Mr. Segner and his rants and his brotherhood with the Chamber and certain people he wants to bully to get elected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, my friends, here we go again!  </p>
<p>Mr Segner is showing his true coat of colors with the great, vastly perceived empirical and superior knowledge and perceived power <strong>he believes he has</strong>.   </p>
<p>Remember he is currently the President of the Sedona Lodging Council which is a partner with the Sedona (Regional) Chamber of Commerce and in that position continued to tell the Council..&#8221;Just Trust Me, Just TRUST Me&#8221; when it came to the City giving more and more money to the chamber and lodging folks .  Here are the latest &#8220;pearls&#8221; from Mr. Steve himself:</p>
<p>From: Steve Segner </p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone,</p>
<p>Apparently several people got a hold of a &#8220;private&#8221; email from me that I had sent to a few friends and posted it on a local news website. It is now making the rounds with the naysayers who love to bash Sedona. In the email, I was stating my desire to see a more creative and direct information campaign in the mayoral election. I just do not think Cliff Hamilton is the right person to be our mayor.<br />
I stated I was in favor of what is called &#8220;Guerrilla Marketing .. A creative way in getting a message to people.. Read about it here:  <a href="http://www.gmarketing.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gmarketing.com</a></p>
<p>(&#8230;&#8230;..here is where I &#8211; Flatlander &#8211; Deciding to take a walk on the wild side, I went to the aforementioned  &#8220;Guerrilla Marketing&#8221; web site as referenced by Steve Segner and read the following:</p>
<p>&#8221; This alternative advertising style relies heavily on unconventional marketing strategy, high energy and and imagination.  It does appear that to Steve Segner that facts don&#8217;t matter.  Need I say more about the credibility of Mr. Segner, his ethics and integrity?  Anyone he supports and any concept he try&#8217;s to parlay will become automatic NO Votes for me!  I vote NO on Sandy M and on Home Rule which are his two biggie&#8217;s.)</p>
<p>(back to Mr Segner&#8217;s words) &#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;So, since some are intent on using my personal email to their advantage, here is one to deliberately pass along but I bet they dont pass it on. But you can!</p>
<p>I donate hundreds of hours to help any organization that asks for marketing help, I guess no good deed goes UN punished   </p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p></p>
<p>Fellow Sedonanswe are at a cross roads.</p>
<p>Do we elect as mayor the person that was the leader in killing the Arts Commission, a leader and funder of the effort for Sedona to take ownership of 89A (where over 71% of Sedona was against it), was against the night sky protecting street lighting now installed on 89A, and in general seems to be unfriendly to the art, business and tourism community.</p>
<p>This letter, and an ad from me, is in this Fridays Red Rock News please pass it around and get out and vote,</p>
<p>(The great news is that while Segner believes he is the great OZ &#8211; that bubble was busted and he has no curtain to stand behind any longer as he declared himself a Guerrilla Marketer.)</p>
<p>Please read on to see his ad in the red rock news:<br />
Paid Advertisement<br />
August 4, 2014 !<br />
Fellow Sedonans,<br />
In the last few weeks I have received numerous phone calls and emails asking, Who Are you going to vote for in the Sedona mayoral race?On the surface, this is not an easy question to answer. Both candidates, Sandy Moriarty And Cliff Hamilton are past council members and are well respected in Sedona. When I spoke with Cliff several weeks ago, I asked him about the possible installation Of parking meters in Uptown as part of the comprehensive solution to its traffic Problems and he commented I will follow the wishes of the merchants!<br />
I asked what about the other 8,000 people in town? Dont their needs and votes also Count? !But he says he would follow the wishes of the people involved. I can respect his opinion, even if I do not agree. Since then, I have done a little research and found out that Cliff was a leader in the Campaign and effort for Sedona to Take over ownership of State Route 89A from ADOT. He actually wanted the city to take ownership and financial responsibility for 89A. That is ok, too!. He has every right to push his own agenda, except he was on the Loosing side of this issue. Over 70% of Sedona said NO! Sedona did not want to own And maintain an expensive state highway. So much for listening to and being in tune with the will of the people.Sandy is a long time, 42 year resident of Sedona. She was one of our initial council Persons when we incorporated in 1988. I have found Sandy to be a good listener and A fair-minded team player. Sandy fought the efforts of Hamilton and others to take ownership of State Route 89A And stood with majority of the voters in Sedona who agreed with her.!So that is my answer, its Sandy for Mayor! !Your Neighbor, Steve Segner! Owner, El Portal Inn, Sedona Paid for by Steve Segner<br />
FROM THE DESK OF STEVE SEGNER</p>
<p>This Flatlander doesn&#8217;t think there is much more to say on the merits of Mr. Segner and his rants and his brotherhood with the Chamber and certain people he wants to bully to get elected.</p>
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		By: Donna Joy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna Joy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ timeshare info  I am not sure I follow you.  You added a total of 5 new ones? Two are Vacation Clubs? 

What do you mean by the 250% increase? Is that 250% more visitors?

If they do not sell the rooms no sales tax or bed tax (in the city they have both) is collected. Only on items sold.

Thanks for clarifying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ timeshare info  I am not sure I follow you.  You added a total of 5 new ones? Two are Vacation Clubs? </p>
<p>What do you mean by the 250% increase? Is that 250% more visitors?</p>
<p>If they do not sell the rooms no sales tax or bed tax (in the city they have both) is collected. Only on items sold.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying.</p>
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		By: Shannon, Camp Verde		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shannon, Camp Verde]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[you do know there is a brand new shooting range in camp verde, state of the art? local Sedona structural and civil engineer and architect designed? there is no need to suggest cottonwood or camp verde or elsewhere will use the Sedona facility. Sedona only. check it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you do know there is a brand new shooting range in camp verde, state of the art? local Sedona structural and civil engineer and architect designed? there is no need to suggest cottonwood or camp verde or elsewhere will use the Sedona facility. Sedona only. check it out.</p>
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