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		By: FROM BAD TO WORSE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FROM BAD TO WORSE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2016 18:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Type in Discretionary Bed Tax on Sedona Eye and you will receive a wealth of information. Check archives by month and year, takes you back to 2012 when discussions became public about deals being made with the city, chamber, and lodging council for this trade-off for bed tax increase and a huge chunk of money (Presently $2.01 million for 2017). And now the recent griping from Chair of Lodging Council about State approval of short term/vacation rentals at the most recent city council meeting on July 26. So it shouldn&#039;t have come as a surprise when Jon Thompson (city council member) brought up the well-known names of Jennifer Wesselhoff and Steve Segner to head a watch-dog committee (or some such thing) to monitor the unwanted vacation rentals soon to become reality. 

So live with it, big shots. Karma wears many hats. As you gripe about something you cannot control, maybe you know how some of us feel. Constantly kicked to the curb, mocked, ignored, and disrespected because so many of us object to the ongoing pushing and abusive treatment all in the sake of dictating how we live our lives, and now to include who picks up our garbage. Which also Segner constantly registers a get-over-it attitude as he eggs on his elected city council members to listen only to him, who doesn&#039;t even reside within city limits.

Sure, city council members and staff can be romanced at gala events at the Segner Estate in Oak Creek Canyon, in violation of the Open Meeting Law.  Is that where Asst. City Manager Karen Daines was recently married? If so, how many council members and staff attended that event? And social gatherings do not qualify as justification for breaking the Open Meeting Law along with other frequent and numerous get-togethers of a quorum of 4, being it riding to special events or even being without public notice in attendance at various meetings.
  
Now then, the purpose of this comment is to bring up yet another brazen claim, without benefit of any proof of such a stupid allegation as &quot;Without chamber, city would stagnate&quot; as is headlined in the most recent Chamber of Commerce propaganda article in the 7/1/16 edition of the Red Rock News.

This doesn&#039;t quite top the outrageous lie repeated over and over ad nauseum by Chamber affiliates, that without the Chamber no one would know about Sedona. They, unfortunately, are the only ones that believe it plus the city council and even some staff members because it&#039;s repeated to them so often.

Time for moment of truth, folks. Let&#039;s get the show on the road and shut the suckers up. Ripping off public money to promote only Chamber members is one thing. But all these decisions being made prior to council meetings is apparent when little to no discussion is on the table prior to approval at a public meeting. Policing of  vacation rentals before they even take place? Really? 

Time for the State of Arizona to step in and shut down these suckers and put an end to their obvious and devious activities. Camp Verde and Williams survive very nicely in the absence of respective Chamber(s) of Commerce, as do municipalities such as Flagstaff that do not give one penny to the Chamber in that city.

In addition to cutting State funding to Sedona for non-compliance with State Codes and Statutes to comply with recently approved SR1487 (and most us us know what they are) it&#039;s time to enforce the Open Law Meeting - NOW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Type in Discretionary Bed Tax on Sedona Eye and you will receive a wealth of information. Check archives by month and year, takes you back to 2012 when discussions became public about deals being made with the city, chamber, and lodging council for this trade-off for bed tax increase and a huge chunk of money (Presently $2.01 million for 2017). And now the recent griping from Chair of Lodging Council about State approval of short term/vacation rentals at the most recent city council meeting on July 26. So it shouldn&#8217;t have come as a surprise when Jon Thompson (city council member) brought up the well-known names of Jennifer Wesselhoff and Steve Segner to head a watch-dog committee (or some such thing) to monitor the unwanted vacation rentals soon to become reality. </p>
<p>So live with it, big shots. Karma wears many hats. As you gripe about something you cannot control, maybe you know how some of us feel. Constantly kicked to the curb, mocked, ignored, and disrespected because so many of us object to the ongoing pushing and abusive treatment all in the sake of dictating how we live our lives, and now to include who picks up our garbage. Which also Segner constantly registers a get-over-it attitude as he eggs on his elected city council members to listen only to him, who doesn&#8217;t even reside within city limits.</p>
<p>Sure, city council members and staff can be romanced at gala events at the Segner Estate in Oak Creek Canyon, in violation of the Open Meeting Law.  Is that where Asst. City Manager Karen Daines was recently married? If so, how many council members and staff attended that event? And social gatherings do not qualify as justification for breaking the Open Meeting Law along with other frequent and numerous get-togethers of a quorum of 4, being it riding to special events or even being without public notice in attendance at various meetings.</p>
<p>Now then, the purpose of this comment is to bring up yet another brazen claim, without benefit of any proof of such a stupid allegation as &#8220;Without chamber, city would stagnate&#8221; as is headlined in the most recent Chamber of Commerce propaganda article in the 7/1/16 edition of the Red Rock News.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t quite top the outrageous lie repeated over and over ad nauseum by Chamber affiliates, that without the Chamber no one would know about Sedona. They, unfortunately, are the only ones that believe it plus the city council and even some staff members because it&#8217;s repeated to them so often.</p>
<p>Time for moment of truth, folks. Let&#8217;s get the show on the road and shut the suckers up. Ripping off public money to promote only Chamber members is one thing. But all these decisions being made prior to council meetings is apparent when little to no discussion is on the table prior to approval at a public meeting. Policing of  vacation rentals before they even take place? Really? </p>
<p>Time for the State of Arizona to step in and shut down these suckers and put an end to their obvious and devious activities. Camp Verde and Williams survive very nicely in the absence of respective Chamber(s) of Commerce, as do municipalities such as Flagstaff that do not give one penny to the Chamber in that city.</p>
<p>In addition to cutting State funding to Sedona for non-compliance with State Codes and Statutes to comply with recently approved SR1487 (and most us us know what they are) it&#8217;s time to enforce the Open Law Meeting &#8211; NOW.</p>
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		By: Jim L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sedona City government continuously forgets what they are here for &quot;citizens who live there&quot; They work the system for buddies and special interest groups. They put themselves, city employees and the special interest group above  &quot;the citizens who live there&quot;  Priorities are done backwards in this city.  They hate the real citizens that live here, fight and harass the in city businesses, and give the keys and ALL the money to the LL lobbyists, special interest groups.  Thank you @Special Interest Groups for outlining what is happening here.

Google it 

http://www.ehow.com/list_6753370_responsibilities-city-government.html

Representation of Citizens and Businesses
Local governments are comprised, for the most part, of elected officials. The first duty of any city government is to represent the citizens who live there. Representatives of local government have an obligation to listen to and act on the concerns of citizens and local business owners.

Read more : http://www.ehow.com/list_6753370_responsibilities-city-government.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sedona City government continuously forgets what they are here for &#8220;citizens who live there&#8221; They work the system for buddies and special interest groups. They put themselves, city employees and the special interest group above  &#8220;the citizens who live there&#8221;  Priorities are done backwards in this city.  They hate the real citizens that live here, fight and harass the in city businesses, and give the keys and ALL the money to the LL lobbyists, special interest groups.  Thank you @Special Interest Groups for outlining what is happening here.</p>
<p>Google it </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ehow.com/list_6753370_responsibilities-city-government.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ehow.com/list_6753370_responsibilities-city-government.html</a></p>
<p>Representation of Citizens and Businesses<br />
Local governments are comprised, for the most part, of elected officials. The first duty of any city government is to represent the citizens who live there. Representatives of local government have an obligation to listen to and act on the concerns of citizens and local business owners.</p>
<p>Read more : <a href="http://www.ehow.com/list_6753370_responsibilities-city-government.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ehow.com/list_6753370_responsibilities-city-government.html</a></p>
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		By: Steve segner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve segner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 00:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Health, welfare, OR safety.&quot;. That is all a City government should be doing?
I understand safety,  Police.
Welfare.... City. ?
Health? Please explain.....
health and welfare seem to fall under the state , or national government or local fire dept.
Please help me out here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health, welfare, OR safety.&#8221;. That is all a City government should be doing?<br />
I understand safety,  Police.<br />
Welfare&#8230;. City. ?<br />
Health? Please explain&#8230;..<br />
health and welfare seem to fall under the state , or national government or local fire dept.<br />
Please help me out here.</p>
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		By: Alarmed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alarmed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Talk about manipulation and bad karma. Right before Christmas the City scheduled a Special City Council Meeting to ram through an agreement to purchase the properties at 50 Sinagua Dr and 55 Sinagua Dr from the Sedona Verde Valley Association of Realtors for $850,000. #50 is a vacant lot adjacent to City Hall, while #55 is the location of the SVVAR offices. 

Get this.The meeting will be tomorrow, Monday Dec. 28th at 5:00 p.m., when so very many people are out of town, or have guests or other holiday season commitments, effectively removing much of the potential public presence. The Agenda Bill states that these properties &quot;would provide space for future growth of City facilities.&quot; Our smooth-talking City Manager&#039;s recommendation is for approval, but has he ever opposed anything presented? According to the rumor mill, Mark DiNunzio is the council member who has been pushing for this travesty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about manipulation and bad karma. Right before Christmas the City scheduled a Special City Council Meeting to ram through an agreement to purchase the properties at 50 Sinagua Dr and 55 Sinagua Dr from the Sedona Verde Valley Association of Realtors for $850,000. #50 is a vacant lot adjacent to City Hall, while #55 is the location of the SVVAR offices. </p>
<p>Get this.The meeting will be tomorrow, Monday Dec. 28th at 5:00 p.m., when so very many people are out of town, or have guests or other holiday season commitments, effectively removing much of the potential public presence. The Agenda Bill states that these properties &#8220;would provide space for future growth of City facilities.&#8221; Our smooth-talking City Manager&#8217;s recommendation is for approval, but has he ever opposed anything presented? According to the rumor mill, Mark DiNunzio is the council member who has been pushing for this travesty.</p>
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		By: Special Interest Groups		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Special Interest Groups]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 16:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Special Interest Groups have their own interest at hand. They don&#039;t care about the Health Welfare or Safety.  The City of Sedona is SOLD to them- Chamber, Film Festival, Main Street and LODGING all have their hands in YOUR taxpayers public funding.
If you belong you agree and are hurting the City of Sedona. Every penny your special group gets should be used on Health Welfare and Safety for the incorporated City.
Citizens Engagement enables NON citizens &#038; Special Interest Groups to CONTROL your City. Have you had enough? Stop ALL Lobbying in our city!

Lobbying in the United States describes paid activity in which special interests hire well-connected, professional advocates, often lawyers.
Lobbying happens at every level of government, including federal, state, county, municipal, and local governments.
A lobbyist, according to the legal sense of the word, is a professional, often a lawyer.
Pro bono clients offer activities like fundraisers and awards ceremonies on neutral territory to meet and socialize with local legislators.
Corporations which lobby actively tend to be few in number, large, and often sell to the government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Special Interest Groups have their own interest at hand. They don&#8217;t care about the Health Welfare or Safety.  The City of Sedona is SOLD to them- Chamber, Film Festival, Main Street and LODGING all have their hands in YOUR taxpayers public funding.<br />
If you belong you agree and are hurting the City of Sedona. Every penny your special group gets should be used on Health Welfare and Safety for the incorporated City.<br />
Citizens Engagement enables NON citizens &amp; Special Interest Groups to CONTROL your City. Have you had enough? Stop ALL Lobbying in our city!</p>
<p>Lobbying in the United States describes paid activity in which special interests hire well-connected, professional advocates, often lawyers.<br />
Lobbying happens at every level of government, including federal, state, county, municipal, and local governments.<br />
A lobbyist, according to the legal sense of the word, is a professional, often a lawyer.<br />
Pro bono clients offer activities like fundraisers and awards ceremonies on neutral territory to meet and socialize with local legislators.<br />
Corporations which lobby actively tend to be few in number, large, and often sell to the government.</p>
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		By: Too Big For Their Britches?		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Too Big For Their Britches?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 20:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t there recently a meeting to discuss for the art center to take over and manage the Brewer park or something? Wouldn&#039;t that have meant another &quot;service contract&quot; such as the phony deal they have with the Chamber for a visitors center which really mostly just promotes THEIR MEMBERS?
 
It seems Cynthia Lovely, Senior Sedona Planner, advised that those funds can only be used for parks and recreation purposes necessary for public facilities, and the statute excludes arts and cultural facilities. So at least in this case they may not be able to dump more money into something that doesn&#039;t stand a chance of making some sort of financial return to the city.
 
Way to go, Cynthia Lovely. It&#039;s good to know at least one person at City Hall appears to have their head on straight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there recently a meeting to discuss for the art center to take over and manage the Brewer park or something? Wouldn&#8217;t that have meant another &#8220;service contract&#8221; such as the phony deal they have with the Chamber for a visitors center which really mostly just promotes THEIR MEMBERS?</p>
<p>It seems Cynthia Lovely, Senior Sedona Planner, advised that those funds can only be used for parks and recreation purposes necessary for public facilities, and the statute excludes arts and cultural facilities. So at least in this case they may not be able to dump more money into something that doesn&#8217;t stand a chance of making some sort of financial return to the city.</p>
<p>Way to go, Cynthia Lovely. It&#8217;s good to know at least one person at City Hall appears to have their head on straight.</p>
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		By: Joshua		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2015 20:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you get it @Beverly J.? In incorporated Sedona Santa Claus is a perpetual pleasure offered at no cost to the likes of the Red Rock Theater group as well as the regional Chamber of Commerce, constantly on the &quot;take&quot; without  even a glint of return on the vested financial interest of the city let alone profits reflected in their own coffers at city tax payers expense.

Just wait until the well runs dry. Who do you suppose the &quot;city&quot; will hit up for &quot;new&quot; sources of money? RR Theater and Chamber? Oh sure - the day hell freezes over stands a better chance. 

(actually in rechecking this article the leeches are Red EARTH Theater (not Red Rock). Both of us might get a sound verbal thrashing for having been so careless in picking up the wrong name. That will provide a convenient diversion from the unending rip-off scams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you get it @Beverly J.? In incorporated Sedona Santa Claus is a perpetual pleasure offered at no cost to the likes of the Red Rock Theater group as well as the regional Chamber of Commerce, constantly on the &#8220;take&#8221; without  even a glint of return on the vested financial interest of the city let alone profits reflected in their own coffers at city tax payers expense.</p>
<p>Just wait until the well runs dry. Who do you suppose the &#8220;city&#8221; will hit up for &#8220;new&#8221; sources of money? RR Theater and Chamber? Oh sure &#8211; the day hell freezes over stands a better chance. </p>
<p>(actually in rechecking this article the leeches are Red EARTH Theater (not Red Rock). Both of us might get a sound verbal thrashing for having been so careless in picking up the wrong name. That will provide a convenient diversion from the unending rip-off scams.</p>
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		By: Beverly J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2015 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It just doesn&#039;t stop. The proposed plans for the Brewer Rd. park suggest that after renovation the barn and ranger&#039;s home will be public facilities available for rent to generate revenue for the city. That&#039;s what they said about the former Teen Center, now conveniently renamed The Hub since it&#039;s an official city facility being operated by Red Earth Theater at city expense. Therefore proving the city lies - big time. 

Not only does Red Earth Theater get paid by the city for their own performances, they are constantly sub-letting it, for examples recently to the Chamber Music as well as the regional Chamber of Commerce for their monthly mixer. Is Red Earth charging for the use of &quot;their&quot; facility -  (owned by the city but who would even be aware of that)? Now just who claims the &quot;rental&quot; money if Red Earth is, indeed, collecting it from Chamber Music,  C of C, and other beneficiaries of Red Earth&#039;s windfall? The City? Very doubtful.

And so, why should we believe the city has any interest at all in using their acquired land holdings to &quot;generate revenue for the city&quot; when all they do is spend it &quot;for free&quot; on non-profits that are constantly in question of what, if anything, they return on the investment(s) made by the city?

To hell with legitimate city residents that were stupid enough to vote approval of incorporation. How many of those fools are still around?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just doesn&#8217;t stop. The proposed plans for the Brewer Rd. park suggest that after renovation the barn and ranger&#8217;s home will be public facilities available for rent to generate revenue for the city. That&#8217;s what they said about the former Teen Center, now conveniently renamed The Hub since it&#8217;s an official city facility being operated by Red Earth Theater at city expense. Therefore proving the city lies &#8211; big time. </p>
<p>Not only does Red Earth Theater get paid by the city for their own performances, they are constantly sub-letting it, for examples recently to the Chamber Music as well as the regional Chamber of Commerce for their monthly mixer. Is Red Earth charging for the use of &#8220;their&#8221; facility &#8211;  (owned by the city but who would even be aware of that)? Now just who claims the &#8220;rental&#8221; money if Red Earth is, indeed, collecting it from Chamber Music,  C of C, and other beneficiaries of Red Earth&#8217;s windfall? The City? Very doubtful.</p>
<p>And so, why should we believe the city has any interest at all in using their acquired land holdings to &#8220;generate revenue for the city&#8221; when all they do is spend it &#8220;for free&#8221; on non-profits that are constantly in question of what, if anything, they return on the investment(s) made by the city?</p>
<p>To hell with legitimate city residents that were stupid enough to vote approval of incorporation. How many of those fools are still around?</p>
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		By: JeanJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharlett, I was surprised to find the info on the &quot;7-14-15 Executive Session Action Item List.&quot; Although a 6-1 vote is reported at the bottom of this document, I have been informed by John Martinez there was no vote taken.

@SUGGESTION. As is evident, the Chamber is destroying the public presence here. I have sent more than a few emails to the City Council urging them to issue a 30-day termination notice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharlett, I was surprised to find the info on the &#8220;7-14-15 Executive Session Action Item List.&#8221; Although a 6-1 vote is reported at the bottom of this document, I have been informed by John Martinez there was no vote taken.</p>
<p>@SUGGESTION. As is evident, the Chamber is destroying the public presence here. I have sent more than a few emails to the City Council urging them to issue a 30-day termination notice.</p>
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		By: Such a Deal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Such a Deal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once again Ms. J. Wesselhoff kept city council members mesmerized and enchanted for another two-hour spiel, (council meeting 11/11) offering not one shred of viable accountability of return on the $1.5 million of Sedona city sales and bed taxes invested with the Chamber of Commerce just this year.

When questioned about in-city businesses she said something stupid like &quot;didn&#039;t know you would ask that (or wanted that information).&quot; Duh! And city council, city manager, and city attorney all find this acceptable? As she continued to tout her &quot;regional&quot; claim to fame, city administration continued to ignore State Law relating to City Limit jurisdiction of incorporated areas! 

Same old, same old - and those in-city businesses, even Chamber members that continue to get blown off at the city-financed visitors center, cling to survival with high rents (subject to city sales tax on those rents), competition with out of city locations being promoted with city tax dollars, and increasing competition with chain names opening up shop in Sedona and driving more small business out. Small town atmosphere? And where would that be?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Ms. J. Wesselhoff kept city council members mesmerized and enchanted for another two-hour spiel, (council meeting 11/11) offering not one shred of viable accountability of return on the $1.5 million of Sedona city sales and bed taxes invested with the Chamber of Commerce just this year.</p>
<p>When questioned about in-city businesses she said something stupid like &#8220;didn&#8217;t know you would ask that (or wanted that information).&#8221; Duh! And city council, city manager, and city attorney all find this acceptable? As she continued to tout her &#8220;regional&#8221; claim to fame, city administration continued to ignore State Law relating to City Limit jurisdiction of incorporated areas! </p>
<p>Same old, same old &#8211; and those in-city businesses, even Chamber members that continue to get blown off at the city-financed visitors center, cling to survival with high rents (subject to city sales tax on those rents), competition with out of city locations being promoted with city tax dollars, and increasing competition with chain names opening up shop in Sedona and driving more small business out. Small town atmosphere? And where would that be?</p>
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