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		By: J. Rick Normand		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Rick Normand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Sheri Graham,

Sheri, I want you to know that your comment here is about the best thought-out and written that I&#039;ve ever seen in a long while at The Eye. It is greatly appreciated that you would pick up the mantle at this point on this issue of flaunting of the law by arrogant people who think they&#039;re above it. Some of you readers who are new to Sedona should know why Sheri&#039;s comment is so powerful. It&#039;s because she is a highly respected and well remembered former City Councilor and Vice-Mayor of Sedona as well as the current owner of the Sky Ranch Lodge on top of the airport mesa.

JRN]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sheri Graham,</p>
<p>Sheri, I want you to know that your comment here is about the best thought-out and written that I&#8217;ve ever seen in a long while at The Eye. It is greatly appreciated that you would pick up the mantle at this point on this issue of flaunting of the law by arrogant people who think they&#8217;re above it. Some of you readers who are new to Sedona should know why Sheri&#8217;s comment is so powerful. It&#8217;s because she is a highly respected and well remembered former City Councilor and Vice-Mayor of Sedona as well as the current owner of the Sky Ranch Lodge on top of the airport mesa.</p>
<p>JRN</p>
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		By: WSR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WSR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 05:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@litty Ricky

Hey Steve S.......I&#039;m sure you have Nothing to worry about...

Open alleged open mtg law violation went no where....Hot air by JRN and The Tea Party AKA AZ Liberty

Trying to keep recreational marijuana of the ballot by JRN and the Tea Party aka AZ Liberty..... More Hot Air.....it&#039;s on the ballot

They are much more impressed with their over bloated EGOs than anything else...
Fear not SS.......they TEA Party aka AZ Liberty are hipocrital blowhards

For people so concerned about taxes and the limiting of government.    They sure waste ALOT of money......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@litty Ricky</p>
<p>Hey Steve S&#8230;&#8230;.I&#8217;m sure you have Nothing to worry about&#8230;</p>
<p>Open alleged open mtg law violation went no where&#8230;.Hot air by JRN and The Tea Party AKA AZ Liberty</p>
<p>Trying to keep recreational marijuana of the ballot by JRN and the Tea Party aka AZ Liberty&#8230;.. More Hot Air&#8230;..it&#8217;s on the ballot</p>
<p>They are much more impressed with their over bloated EGOs than anything else&#8230;<br />
Fear not SS&#8230;&#8230;.they TEA Party aka AZ Liberty are hipocrital blowhards</p>
<p>For people so concerned about taxes and the limiting of government.    They sure waste ALOT of money&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: J. Rick Normand		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Rick Normand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 03:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@steve Segner,

Your convoluted mind has misfired again. You&#039;ll notice in the first email to me from City Attorney Pickels, he added the comment &quot;If you should need any follow up clarification, please don’t hesitate to ask.&quot; I didn&#039;t hesitate and I did ask. His followup statement is the one I printed above. It takes precedence. I will tell you this...you will need an attorney shortly. And, the reason AZL and I are worked up is not because your asking people to vote, its because you&#039;re illegally telling them who to vote for. Read the statute little dogfood salesman.

JRN]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve Segner,</p>
<p>Your convoluted mind has misfired again. You&#8217;ll notice in the first email to me from City Attorney Pickels, he added the comment &#8220;If you should need any follow up clarification, please don’t hesitate to ask.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t hesitate and I did ask. His followup statement is the one I printed above. It takes precedence. I will tell you this&#8230;you will need an attorney shortly. And, the reason AZL and I are worked up is not because your asking people to vote, its because you&#8217;re illegally telling them who to vote for. Read the statute little dogfood salesman.</p>
<p>JRN</p>
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		By: Sheri Graham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheri Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 01:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Have been reading the above exchange and just had to enter into the fray.

What an amazing answer from our current city attorney, Mr. Pickels Jr, regarding two individuals (Segner and Al Camillo) teaming up to send out a mailer supporting two city council candidates! 
 
Last I understood, from our previous City Attorney Mike Gomaric, was that if  one person teamed up or combined with another person(s) and paid for an ad to try to &quot;influence an election&quot; and did not form a PAC (political action committee) then they just broke the law.  Had nothing to do with First Amendment rights as this issue/concept falls under election laws.

This grown woman does Indeed get worked up over Segner&#039;s bully tactics and now Mr. Segner saying he does not/has No understanding of election laws.. I get very worked up by him thinking he can send out a very expensive &quot;post card&quot; to influence our election thinking he does not have to obey the laws. 

And I get very worked up over his continual twisting truths to promote &quot;his&quot; dream world! 
 
When he actually stated, he would run for City Council - even though He Is Not a Resident of the City of Sedona - I began to question his understanding of our laws...... then realized he so much like Hillary = If he says it enough times than he Just EXPECTS us to believe him.....

News Flash S Segner: Truth does matter.  Respect of our laws does matter. Bullies ultimately loose their status as the good guys Really Do Win!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have been reading the above exchange and just had to enter into the fray.</p>
<p>What an amazing answer from our current city attorney, Mr. Pickels Jr, regarding two individuals (Segner and Al Camillo) teaming up to send out a mailer supporting two city council candidates! </p>
<p>Last I understood, from our previous City Attorney Mike Gomaric, was that if  one person teamed up or combined with another person(s) and paid for an ad to try to &#8220;influence an election&#8221; and did not form a PAC (political action committee) then they just broke the law.  Had nothing to do with First Amendment rights as this issue/concept falls under election laws.</p>
<p>This grown woman does Indeed get worked up over Segner&#8217;s bully tactics and now Mr. Segner saying he does not/has No understanding of election laws.. I get very worked up by him thinking he can send out a very expensive &#8220;post card&#8221; to influence our election thinking he does not have to obey the laws. </p>
<p>And I get very worked up over his continual twisting truths to promote &#8220;his&#8221; dream world! </p>
<p>When he actually stated, he would run for City Council &#8211; even though He Is Not a Resident of the City of Sedona &#8211; I began to question his understanding of our laws&#8230;&#8230; then realized he so much like Hillary = If he says it enough times than he Just EXPECTS us to believe him&#8230;..</p>
<p>News Flash S Segner: Truth does matter.  Respect of our laws does matter. Bullies ultimately loose their status as the good guys Really Do Win!</p>
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		By: Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The missing link in Steve Segner&#039;s response to J Rick Normand is the FACT that the cards mailed indicated they had been paid for by Steve Segner AND Al Comello. Therefore it wasn&#039;t an individual promotion as Segner maintains and as he apparently indicated to the City Attorney. 

It would be interesting if Mr. Pickels&#039; opinion would be the same if he had been told the entire story. An individual sending a mailer or running an election campaign is one thing. However two or more necessitates forming a Political Action Committee. How long is Sedona going to get away with breaking state and possibly even federal laws?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The missing link in Steve Segner&#8217;s response to J Rick Normand is the FACT that the cards mailed indicated they had been paid for by Steve Segner AND Al Comello. Therefore it wasn&#8217;t an individual promotion as Segner maintains and as he apparently indicated to the City Attorney. </p>
<p>It would be interesting if Mr. Pickels&#8217; opinion would be the same if he had been told the entire story. An individual sending a mailer or running an election campaign is one thing. However two or more necessitates forming a Political Action Committee. How long is Sedona going to get away with breaking state and possibly even federal laws?</p>
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		By: steve Segner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Pickels reply in FULL.

Good morning, Mr. Normand:
&quot;I did speak with Steve Segner about whether I believed there was any preclusion of efforts provided by private individuals acting unilaterally in support of a candidate without the candidate&#039;s approval.  In our conversation, I qualified my comments by stating that they were not to be construed as legal advice.  However, I did mention the First Amendment and an individual&#039;s right to expression.&quot;
I hope that answers your question.  If you should need any follow up clarification, please don&#039;t hesitate to ask.

Best regards,

Robert L. Pickels, Jr.

City Attorney

102 Roadrunner Dr.

Sedona, AZ 86336

(928) 204-7200

HUMMM Ricky, just forgot to post this .......Bad Ricky.

 I sent a mailing to every home in Sedona saying who I support and why, little Ricky or should I say large Ricky got his panties in a wad.

 I know the &quot;T&quot; party hates government, but sending a post card in support of the current city council is outrageous! Something should be done, Democrats getting out the vote is outrageous and must be stopped.

 I&#039;m sure that state will react quickly they will probably drive up from Phoenix with sirens blazing.

Please Ricky give them a call.

 ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL MARK BRNOVICH

OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

Phoenix Office

1275 West Washington Street

Phoenix, AZ 85007-2926

(602) 542-5025 

Fax (602) 542-4085

One question, why would a grown man, get all worked up over a post card asking people to vote? Trumps, ME

ss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Pickels reply in FULL.</p>
<p>Good morning, Mr. Normand:<br />
&#8220;I did speak with Steve Segner about whether I believed there was any preclusion of efforts provided by private individuals acting unilaterally in support of a candidate without the candidate&#8217;s approval.  In our conversation, I qualified my comments by stating that they were not to be construed as legal advice.  However, I did mention the First Amendment and an individual&#8217;s right to expression.&#8221;<br />
I hope that answers your question.  If you should need any follow up clarification, please don&#8217;t hesitate to ask.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Robert L. Pickels, Jr.</p>
<p>City Attorney</p>
<p>102 Roadrunner Dr.</p>
<p>Sedona, AZ 86336</p>
<p>(928) 204-7200</p>
<p>HUMMM Ricky, just forgot to post this &#8230;&#8230;.Bad Ricky.</p>
<p> I sent a mailing to every home in Sedona saying who I support and why, little Ricky or should I say large Ricky got his panties in a wad.</p>
<p> I know the &#8220;T&#8221; party hates government, but sending a post card in support of the current city council is outrageous! Something should be done, Democrats getting out the vote is outrageous and must be stopped.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m sure that state will react quickly they will probably drive up from Phoenix with sirens blazing.</p>
<p>Please Ricky give them a call.</p>
<p> ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL MARK BRNOVICH</p>
<p>OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL</p>
<p>Phoenix Office</p>
<p>1275 West Washington Street</p>
<p>Phoenix, AZ 85007-2926</p>
<p>(602) 542-5025 </p>
<p>Fax (602) 542-4085</p>
<p>One question, why would a grown man, get all worked up over a post card asking people to vote? Trumps, ME</p>
<p>ss.</p>
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		By: J. Rick Normand		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Rick Normand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@steve Segner

Steve Segner says:	
August 22, 2016 at 1:10 pm	

P.S JRN said: “You said you may want to talk to the City Attorney” I did last month and he said go for it. Freedom of speech.

*****

So, you checked with City Attorney Robert Pickels and he said &quot;go for it?&quot; I checked with him about your truthfulness and here&#039;s hard copy print proof that you&#039;re lying Steve Segner (and I know you didn&#039;t check with a private attorney either):

From:  Robert Pickels 
          Today at 9:39 AM

    To: J Rick Normand 

Mr. Norman:

My conversation with Mr. Segner was very casual and brief (probably less than a minute).  We did not discuss anything specific nor any specific statute(s).  As to what Mr. Segner may or may not have believed as a result of our conversation, I cannot have any way of knowing.

Robert

&#062;&#062;&#062; J Rick Normand  8/23/2016 8:09 AM &#062;&#062;&#062;
Good Morning Mr. City Attorney,

Thank you so much or your prompt professional reply to my inquiry. Per your instructions, I would like to ask for two simple clarifications, if I may. First, did either you or Steve Segner mention specifically or colloquially A.R.S. 16-901(20)(f), and/or A.R.S. 16-902.01(A), and/or ARS 16-917(A)&#038;(D)? And, secondly, do you feel that your comments to him would have led him to believe he was, in fact or intending to be, in compliance with the aforementioned statutes?

Sincerely,

       /s/

J. Rick Normand
Arizona Liberty

JRN]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@steve Segner</p>
<p>Steve Segner says:<br />
August 22, 2016 at 1:10 pm	</p>
<p>P.S JRN said: “You said you may want to talk to the City Attorney” I did last month and he said go for it. Freedom of speech.</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>So, you checked with City Attorney Robert Pickels and he said &#8220;go for it?&#8221; I checked with him about your truthfulness and here&#8217;s hard copy print proof that you&#8217;re lying Steve Segner (and I know you didn&#8217;t check with a private attorney either):</p>
<p>From:  Robert Pickels<br />
          Today at 9:39 AM</p>
<p>    To: J Rick Normand </p>
<p>Mr. Norman:</p>
<p>My conversation with Mr. Segner was very casual and brief (probably less than a minute).  We did not discuss anything specific nor any specific statute(s).  As to what Mr. Segner may or may not have believed as a result of our conversation, I cannot have any way of knowing.</p>
<p>Robert</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; J Rick Normand  8/23/2016 8:09 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
Good Morning Mr. City Attorney,</p>
<p>Thank you so much or your prompt professional reply to my inquiry. Per your instructions, I would like to ask for two simple clarifications, if I may. First, did either you or Steve Segner mention specifically or colloquially A.R.S. 16-901(20)(f), and/or A.R.S. 16-902.01(A), and/or ARS 16-917(A)&amp;(D)? And, secondly, do you feel that your comments to him would have led him to believe he was, in fact or intending to be, in compliance with the aforementioned statutes?</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>       /s/</p>
<p>J. Rick Normand<br />
Arizona Liberty</p>
<p>JRN</p>
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		By: Thomas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#039;t my intention to add anything here, just follow the trail by reading the comments. However looking at this mailer promoting John Martinez, Jessica Williamson and Tom Lamkin. both sides state who paid for it.

One side: &quot;Paid for by: Steve Segner, Al Comello, 95 Portal Lane, Sedona, AZ 86336&quot;

Other side &quot;Paid for by  Steve Segner, Sedona Businessman and Founder of Walk Sedona, the 89A History Walk&quot; followed by  &quot;Al Comello, Marketing Professional and Community Volunteer&quot;

Of course having followed the comments under this and other Sedona Eye comments it looks very much like the City Council, City Staff  the local regional Chamber of Commerce questionably identified with Sedona, and the associated Lodging Council are above the law.

Wasn&#039;t there something elsewhere discussing the recent passage of SB 1487 allowing a state legislator to open up an investigation if it appears an incorporated area is breaking a state law? Any updates if this is under pursuit?

Maybe the previous city attorney, Mike Goimarac was more in tune with election laws? It would appear so. Oh yes another thing- did Sedona change attorneys again? Thought I read something about the latest one having applied elsewhere. Not a surprise. Why would anyone with ethics work for the City of Sedona?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t my intention to add anything here, just follow the trail by reading the comments. However looking at this mailer promoting John Martinez, Jessica Williamson and Tom Lamkin. both sides state who paid for it.</p>
<p>One side: &#8220;Paid for by: Steve Segner, Al Comello, 95 Portal Lane, Sedona, AZ 86336&#8221;</p>
<p>Other side &#8220;Paid for by  Steve Segner, Sedona Businessman and Founder of Walk Sedona, the 89A History Walk&#8221; followed by  &#8220;Al Comello, Marketing Professional and Community Volunteer&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course having followed the comments under this and other Sedona Eye comments it looks very much like the City Council, City Staff  the local regional Chamber of Commerce questionably identified with Sedona, and the associated Lodging Council are above the law.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t there something elsewhere discussing the recent passage of SB 1487 allowing a state legislator to open up an investigation if it appears an incorporated area is breaking a state law? Any updates if this is under pursuit?</p>
<p>Maybe the previous city attorney, Mike Goimarac was more in tune with election laws? It would appear so. Oh yes another thing- did Sedona change attorneys again? Thought I read something about the latest one having applied elsewhere. Not a surprise. Why would anyone with ethics work for the City of Sedona?</p>
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		By: Deanne Trio aka "I see through you"		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deanne Trio aka "I see through you"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To all readers of SE

I have a confession to make......

I&#039;ve been posting on SE using different names like I have done for years.....I post a comment then post twice more under different names to back up my first comment...  I&#039;ve used names like Sharrlet, &quot;I see thru you&quot;, Alarmed, and various others.....most recently I&#039;ve morphed into Deanne Trio....a commander on the &quot;enterprise&quot;. Yes I am bat crap crazy....

I go off the deep end when I don&#039;t take my meds..... Love you all]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all readers of SE</p>
<p>I have a confession to make&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been posting on SE using different names like I have done for years&#8230;..I post a comment then post twice more under different names to back up my first comment&#8230;  I&#8217;ve used names like Sharrlet, &#8220;I see thru you&#8221;, Alarmed, and various others&#8230;..most recently I&#8217;ve morphed into Deanne Trio&#8230;.a commander on the &#8220;enterprise&#8221;. Yes I am bat crap crazy&#8230;.</p>
<p>I go off the deep end when I don&#8217;t take my meds&#8230;.. Love you all</p>
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		By: WsR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WsR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@i see through you

Hey you head case.  We now that Deanne Troi is a Star Trek character..... Not a real name......

Really get some help sicko..... You delusional space traveler you......  Your sicker then previously thought.....you made me belly laugh crazy crazy lady]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@i see through you</p>
<p>Hey you head case.  We now that Deanne Troi is a Star Trek character&#8230;.. Not a real name&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Really get some help sicko&#8230;.. You delusional space traveler you&#8230;&#8230;  Your sicker then previously thought&#8230;..you made me belly laugh crazy crazy lady</p>
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