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		By: Teak Monkey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teak Monkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Saunders,

I commend you on the thought of dissolving the city Fire Dept. Although, one can only wonder how the hell that will work? My father was a Capt. with the volunteer Fire Dept. here in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s and as well as I worked for a city Fire Dept. in the valley for many years. 

The problem with a Vol. Fire Dept. here again in Sedona is that in order to have a functioning well equipped department, it relies heavily on community funding and donations. Which we all know is a problem in this community, unless it is for more art crap! Maybe we can have the fire trucks painted with some vortex/meditation new age art work on the side and get the funding that way! LMAO 

Well maybe there should be more thought into this area before we&quot; jump the gun&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Saunders,</p>
<p>I commend you on the thought of dissolving the city Fire Dept. Although, one can only wonder how the hell that will work? My father was a Capt. with the volunteer Fire Dept. here in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s and as well as I worked for a city Fire Dept. in the valley for many years. </p>
<p>The problem with a Vol. Fire Dept. here again in Sedona is that in order to have a functioning well equipped department, it relies heavily on community funding and donations. Which we all know is a problem in this community, unless it is for more art crap! Maybe we can have the fire trucks painted with some vortex/meditation new age art work on the side and get the funding that way! LMAO </p>
<p>Well maybe there should be more thought into this area before we&#8221; jump the gun&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Alarmed		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alarmed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders...such a ridiculous comment, but on the odd chance that someone would believe your nonsense, Karen Daines oversaw the largest reduction in the budget of Sedona Fire District in its history.  She also ensured that money was not spent and put into reserve funds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders&#8230;such a ridiculous comment, but on the odd chance that someone would believe your nonsense, Karen Daines oversaw the largest reduction in the budget of Sedona Fire District in its history.  She also ensured that money was not spent and put into reserve funds.</p>
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		By: Terrie Frankel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terrie Frankel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 22:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mayor Rob Adams has a great sense of humor. I believe he meant his remark to be taken in a humorous way, not literally. Though I agree it was in poor taste... Regarding Rob&#039;s refusal to grant me an extra 90 seconds in my Open Forum speech at the last City Council meeting, yes that was &#039;over the top&#039;, considering only two of us signed up to speak. Regarding our City Manager Tim Ernster, I suppose he feels no obligation to be courteous and respectful to a member of the public that helps pay his whopping $200,000 salary for managing 104 City Employees (while the Scottsdale City Manager makes $180,000 for managing 2,800 employees)... Tim Ernster&#039;s disdain for those who question him does not end with the public he &#039;serves&#039;. If Tim can&#039;t muster some respect for Jean Jenks, he should be told what he himself often tells his long time loyal City employees, &quot;The door is over there....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mayor Rob Adams has a great sense of humor. I believe he meant his remark to be taken in a humorous way, not literally. Though I agree it was in poor taste&#8230; Regarding Rob&#8217;s refusal to grant me an extra 90 seconds in my Open Forum speech at the last City Council meeting, yes that was &#8216;over the top&#8217;, considering only two of us signed up to speak. Regarding our City Manager Tim Ernster, I suppose he feels no obligation to be courteous and respectful to a member of the public that helps pay his whopping $200,000 salary for managing 104 City Employees (while the Scottsdale City Manager makes $180,000 for managing 2,800 employees)&#8230; Tim Ernster&#8217;s disdain for those who question him does not end with the public he &#8216;serves&#8217;. If Tim can&#8217;t muster some respect for Jean Jenks, he should be told what he himself often tells his long time loyal City employees, &#8220;The door is over there&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Time for a house cleaning, for those of you unfamiliar with the players, Karen Danes was the previous &quot;Business Manager&quot; for Sedona Fire during the time period their budget doubled. She is an expert at seeing that every taxpayer dime gets spent. She is known to send a proposed budget back to insure it was raised to spend all the funds. 

We, the citizens can vote to dissolve the city and go back to a volunteer fire department.  It worked before.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for a house cleaning, for those of you unfamiliar with the players, Karen Danes was the previous &#8220;Business Manager&#8221; for Sedona Fire during the time period their budget doubled. She is an expert at seeing that every taxpayer dime gets spent. She is known to send a proposed budget back to insure it was raised to spend all the funds. </p>
<p>We, the citizens can vote to dissolve the city and go back to a volunteer fire department.  It worked before.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
		<link>https://sedonaeye.com/culture-of-contempt-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-12487</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 20:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Eddie:

The person who relayed Rob&#039;s &quot;get a life&quot; quote to me happened to be in &quot;TV Land&quot; watching at the time and was quite offended. She definitely did not think Rob was funny.

So it looks like poor Rob still hasn&#039;t learned. Here is what I told him 2 years ago when he thought he was being witty and clever with me: &quot;Next time try dealing with the issues rather than making quips. Since you are not good at either, better to focus on the former before attempting the latter.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Eddie:</p>
<p>The person who relayed Rob&#8217;s &#8220;get a life&#8221; quote to me happened to be in &#8220;TV Land&#8221; watching at the time and was quite offended. She definitely did not think Rob was funny.</p>
<p>So it looks like poor Rob still hasn&#8217;t learned. Here is what I told him 2 years ago when he thought he was being witty and clever with me: &#8220;Next time try dealing with the issues rather than making quips. Since you are not good at either, better to focus on the former before attempting the latter.&#8221;</p>
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		By: E.S. Maddock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.S. Maddock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As you are aware, Warren, I was so stunned when I read your remarks relating to Mayor Rob Adams&#039; opening words at the last City Council Meeting, I took it upon my self to contact him. The following comments were part of my ensuing e-mail exchange with him referring to the following specific made by the mayor, taken from your article: &quot;To those folks out in TV Land that are watching this meeting, get a life.&quot;

&quot;Gee whiz, Rob. Is it true? Did you open the meeting by advising the folks out in TV land watching the council meeting to get a life? &quot;       
 
Mayor&#039;s response and subsequent e-mail exchange:

Rob: Obviously, this comment was made tongue in cheek. Maybe I should have said &quot;get a sense of humor&quot;.  
 
Eddie: For the life of me I just don&#039;t find it amusing to knock people who take the opportunity to follow council meetings via live TV. If that wasn&#039;t the intent, why did the city pay to contract the service?
 
Rob:  It is ironic that members of the public can constantly make vitriolic and unsubstantiated comments regarding the city budget, the length of the council meetings or anything else that happens to be the complaint of the day, but the mayor cannot make a comment in jest. 
 
Eddie: The last I knew government&#039;s primary purpose was to serve the people, both functionally insofar as providing what is required to benefit and maintain health, safety, and welfare for a community in general as well as being a vehicle whereby constituents, who made incorporation possible in the first place by voting approval, would have continued access to speak freely insofar as voicing their own opinions and concerns. Perhaps elected officials should not take an oath of office if they find public input offensive or turn it into a matter of mocking those who would dare question issues encompassing any or all activities at City Hall.
 
Rob: As I said, I wasn&#039;t &quot;knocking&quot; anyone. It was a comment made in jest, referring to the length of Council meetings. In retrospect, I shouldn&#039;t have said it.
 
Eddie: See, we both agree on that.
 
Rob: I have been serving the people as a city councilor for almost seven years now. I have never objected to my constituents speaking freely. I do object to the uncivil behavior and language that I hear from some people. 
 
And guess what, we both agree on this as well.

Warren, the dialog was parlayed into other subjects not directly pertaining to your submission which I perhaps will address at another time. At least and as always, Rob Adams responded for which I thank him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you are aware, Warren, I was so stunned when I read your remarks relating to Mayor Rob Adams&#8217; opening words at the last City Council Meeting, I took it upon my self to contact him. The following comments were part of my ensuing e-mail exchange with him referring to the following specific made by the mayor, taken from your article: &#8220;To those folks out in TV Land that are watching this meeting, get a life.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Gee whiz, Rob. Is it true? Did you open the meeting by advising the folks out in TV land watching the council meeting to get a life? &#8221;       </p>
<p>Mayor&#8217;s response and subsequent e-mail exchange:</p>
<p>Rob: Obviously, this comment was made tongue in cheek. Maybe I should have said &#8220;get a sense of humor&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Eddie: For the life of me I just don&#8217;t find it amusing to knock people who take the opportunity to follow council meetings via live TV. If that wasn&#8217;t the intent, why did the city pay to contract the service?</p>
<p>Rob:  It is ironic that members of the public can constantly make vitriolic and unsubstantiated comments regarding the city budget, the length of the council meetings or anything else that happens to be the complaint of the day, but the mayor cannot make a comment in jest. </p>
<p>Eddie: The last I knew government&#8217;s primary purpose was to serve the people, both functionally insofar as providing what is required to benefit and maintain health, safety, and welfare for a community in general as well as being a vehicle whereby constituents, who made incorporation possible in the first place by voting approval, would have continued access to speak freely insofar as voicing their own opinions and concerns. Perhaps elected officials should not take an oath of office if they find public input offensive or turn it into a matter of mocking those who would dare question issues encompassing any or all activities at City Hall.</p>
<p>Rob: As I said, I wasn&#8217;t &#8220;knocking&#8221; anyone. It was a comment made in jest, referring to the length of Council meetings. In retrospect, I shouldn&#8217;t have said it.</p>
<p>Eddie: See, we both agree on that.</p>
<p>Rob: I have been serving the people as a city councilor for almost seven years now. I have never objected to my constituents speaking freely. I do object to the uncivil behavior and language that I hear from some people. </p>
<p>And guess what, we both agree on this as well.</p>
<p>Warren, the dialog was parlayed into other subjects not directly pertaining to your submission which I perhaps will address at another time. At least and as always, Rob Adams responded for which I thank him.</p>
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		By: david		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 00:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Arizona has a  of history of terrible people running our government, at all levels, look no further then Tom Horne as a perfect example.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arizona has a  of history of terrible people running our government, at all levels, look no further then Tom Horne as a perfect example.</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He said it best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He said it best.</p>
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