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		By: Sedona Sam aka "SSToo!!"		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sedona Sam aka "SSToo!!"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 22:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Sedona Eye Editor for differentiating me as &quot;Sedona Sam Too (SS, Too) from the comment made by the first &quot;Sedona Sam.&quot; As if it isn&#039;t confusing enough with so many &quot;Tom&#039;s&quot; attacking &quot;Tony&quot; (who is at least brave enough to reveal his last name) it surprised me that two &quot;Sedona Sam&#039;s&quot; appeared to show up in &quot;sync.&quot; Just another twist of Sedona&#039;s fickle finger of fate? Go figure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Sedona Eye Editor for differentiating me as &#8220;Sedona Sam Too (SS, Too) from the comment made by the first &#8220;Sedona Sam.&#8221; As if it isn&#8217;t confusing enough with so many &#8220;Tom&#8217;s&#8221; attacking &#8220;Tony&#8221; (who is at least brave enough to reveal his last name) it surprised me that two &#8220;Sedona Sam&#8217;s&#8221; appeared to show up in &#8220;sync.&#8221; Just another twist of Sedona&#8217;s fickle finger of fate? Go figure.</p>
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		By: SSToo!!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SSToo!!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 19:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My wife pointed out that somebody else is also named Sedona Sam -- if able please reflect my comment with the addition of Too (my comment begins with - deleted by editor) but we&#039;re not one and the same! Small world, eh? Accept my appreciation for helping me out if you can! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife pointed out that somebody else is also named Sedona Sam &#8212; if able please reflect my comment with the addition of Too (my comment begins with &#8211; deleted by editor) but we&#8217;re not one and the same! Small world, eh? Accept my appreciation for helping me out if you can! </p>
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		By: Tom G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 18:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Tony..... Quick grab your camera... Just saw a waste of taxpayer money.... A city worker was eating lunch.!!!  Quick grab your camera and put the picture on your website...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tony&#8230;.. Quick grab your camera&#8230; Just saw a waste of taxpayer money&#8230;. A city worker was eating lunch.!!!  Quick grab your camera and put the picture on your website&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sedona Sam Too		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sedona Sam Too]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 17:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Bergen suggested watching council meeting and I took him up on it. Check out the meeting of May 13th about funding the Chamber of Commerce for Sedona advertising for destination tourists. Very interesting. As I see it, the city is giving over one million dollars to the Chamber, who in turn has hired a professional consultant and they (Chamber) intend to hire a PR firm in the future. Also they take up hours of time with the assistant manager, Karen Daines, who works side-by-side to create this presentation. 

My question is, why is the city paying the Chamber, non-professional at promotion proven by their need to hire &quot;professionals,&quot; taking up time in city hall (or wherever) with the assistant city manager, instead of appropriately doing the hiring up front and stop using the Chamber as a middleman?

There&#039;s nothing wrong with the Chamber of Commerce provided it remains acknowledged for what it&#039;s worth: a special interest group for businesses to join, pay dues, for the purpose of being promoted. Realistically it should have nothing to do with the city and use of public funds.

Further, there&#039;s nothing wrong with the city to promote tourism. However, the money it&#039;s throwing away on the &quot;middle-men&quot; (Chamber, Bureau of Tourism, and Lodging Council, realistically all are one and the same) is absurd. The city should have had bids from the get-go from &quot;professionals&quot; who will be held accountable, produce a &quot;real&quot; audit (not an annual financial statement which we all know can easily be manipulated to produce preferred results), and who will have factual evidence of the effectiveness of such an advertising campaign.

Also, as the economy already appears to be in recovery (on the news it&#039;s estimated that this Memorial Day weekend travel will increase substantially for the first time in years) are we to believe that the Chamber of Commerce is responsible for the upswing?

Jennifer Wesselhoff is a very busy lady. Not only is she and her cohorts on a very self-profitable march to save Sedona, according to an article appearing in a local paper on April 25th she is beating her drum to &quot;save Arizona.&quot; &quot;Federal Immigration Reform is Critical to Arizona&#039;s Future Success.&quot; Since when is it legal for a non-profit 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization (if, in fact, that is the corporate status of the Chamber of Commerce) to lobby and campaign for political issues? Maybe the IRS needs to provide a legitimate audit of ALL Chamber activities?

In my humble opinion it appears if this lame-duck council continues on this path to display their power, Sedona is on an alternate route to self-destruct. Sure Tom(s) and Long Time Resident, thumb your nose at me and others who dare to take a different slant on the situation other than your own which amounts to nothing more than a grudge against some guy named Tony. (and no I&#039;m not acquainted with any of these people) However, I will thank Mr. Bergen for the tip on reviewing the council meeting. Therein lies the truth of what is going on in Sedona.   Check out both Parts 1 and 2:    http://sedonaaz.swagit.com/play/05132014-930]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Bergen suggested watching council meeting and I took him up on it. Check out the meeting of May 13th about funding the Chamber of Commerce for Sedona advertising for destination tourists. Very interesting. As I see it, the city is giving over one million dollars to the Chamber, who in turn has hired a professional consultant and they (Chamber) intend to hire a PR firm in the future. Also they take up hours of time with the assistant manager, Karen Daines, who works side-by-side to create this presentation. </p>
<p>My question is, why is the city paying the Chamber, non-professional at promotion proven by their need to hire &#8220;professionals,&#8221; taking up time in city hall (or wherever) with the assistant city manager, instead of appropriately doing the hiring up front and stop using the Chamber as a middleman?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with the Chamber of Commerce provided it remains acknowledged for what it&#8217;s worth: a special interest group for businesses to join, pay dues, for the purpose of being promoted. Realistically it should have nothing to do with the city and use of public funds.</p>
<p>Further, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the city to promote tourism. However, the money it&#8217;s throwing away on the &#8220;middle-men&#8221; (Chamber, Bureau of Tourism, and Lodging Council, realistically all are one and the same) is absurd. The city should have had bids from the get-go from &#8220;professionals&#8221; who will be held accountable, produce a &#8220;real&#8221; audit (not an annual financial statement which we all know can easily be manipulated to produce preferred results), and who will have factual evidence of the effectiveness of such an advertising campaign.</p>
<p>Also, as the economy already appears to be in recovery (on the news it&#8217;s estimated that this Memorial Day weekend travel will increase substantially for the first time in years) are we to believe that the Chamber of Commerce is responsible for the upswing?</p>
<p>Jennifer Wesselhoff is a very busy lady. Not only is she and her cohorts on a very self-profitable march to save Sedona, according to an article appearing in a local paper on April 25th she is beating her drum to &#8220;save Arizona.&#8221; &#8220;Federal Immigration Reform is Critical to Arizona&#8217;s Future Success.&#8221; Since when is it legal for a non-profit 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization (if, in fact, that is the corporate status of the Chamber of Commerce) to lobby and campaign for political issues? Maybe the IRS needs to provide a legitimate audit of ALL Chamber activities?</p>
<p>In my humble opinion it appears if this lame-duck council continues on this path to display their power, Sedona is on an alternate route to self-destruct. Sure Tom(s) and Long Time Resident, thumb your nose at me and others who dare to take a different slant on the situation other than your own which amounts to nothing more than a grudge against some guy named Tony. (and no I&#8217;m not acquainted with any of these people) However, I will thank Mr. Bergen for the tip on reviewing the council meeting. Therein lies the truth of what is going on in Sedona.   Check out both Parts 1 and 2:    <a href="http://sedonaaz.swagit.com/play/05132014-930" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sedonaaz.swagit.com/play/05132014-930</a></p>
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		By: Tom Bergen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Bergen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 16:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Tony

Sounds more like you&#039;re jealous than offering an interest in a job that you&#039;re not really qualified for. You can have all of the Masters in Public Administration degrees that you can sit in a class for. It doesn&#039;t make you leadership material. 

To prove my point, in a city government, large or small, a good administrator needs to listen to the voice of the people. By your words alone you have proven that you would not be one to listen: 

&quot;Wasteful and unnecessary meetings would NOT happen under my administration&quot;. Who decides what&#039;s wasteful or unnecessary? Even if the people at the city agreed with that thought, to the person or people that have an issue, IT&#039;S NOT WASTEFUL OR UNNECESSARY it&#039;s very important! 

I may not agree with those against Smart Meters but, it&#039;s an issue for over 1400 in our city IS IT&#039;S IMPORTANT TO ME. In the City of Tonisch, you wouldn&#039;t waste your time. In the City of Sedona, those COUNCIL people set up many meetings (wasteful to Tonsich) to listen to the concerns of the residents. 

Well sir, our city manager has proven his worth to me and many others over the years. 

In the City of Tonisch, meetings would be a waste of time after all, you just said so.

In our city, when I had an issue at the senior center, Mr. Ernster set up a meeting, listened to the issues and solved the problem. Sometimes Council meetings can be long but, I don&#039;t consider them wasteful if they help to solve a problem. But, it&#039;s government, not an HOA. 

In the City of Tonisch, when you have an issue with someone, you run around taking photos to the &quot;evil doers&quot; like our cops for taking a 10 break or a worker cashing his check. Wow, you have proven to be a born leader. 

In the City of Tonisch, when you don&#039;t agree with the smallest issue, you blow it out of proportion with half truths or try to eliminate it like you originally tried to do with your HOA, remember way back when before you became King.

Don&#039;t try to impress the readers of this site with how well you run your HOA because an HOA is not responsible for millions and millions of tax dollars. An HOA is  not responsible to see that health and safety issues of the residents are protected. An HOA doesn&#039;t have to follow strict AZ laws. 

I&#039;m not putting down HOA&#039;s they are a very important group within a development. I&#039;m just saying that running an HOA is no where near as difficult to run as a city.

Remember, when there&#039;s an issue that the HOA can&#039;t solve, you have to turn to the real guns, the people at the City to really get the difficult things done. So go back to checking to insure that houses are painted the proper color and that your neighbors cars aren&#039;t parked in the wrong place, Oh, wait don&#039;t you have a few too many cars parked in your driveway? Oh, that&#039;s right, you&#039;re the King of the HOA. 

Just face it, YOU DON&#039;T HAVE THE INTEGRITY to sustain a job like City Manager and will never deserve the respect to earn a salary like that. So I guess you are jealous.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony</p>
<p>Sounds more like you&#8217;re jealous than offering an interest in a job that you&#8217;re not really qualified for. You can have all of the Masters in Public Administration degrees that you can sit in a class for. It doesn&#8217;t make you leadership material. </p>
<p>To prove my point, in a city government, large or small, a good administrator needs to listen to the voice of the people. By your words alone you have proven that you would not be one to listen: </p>
<p>&#8220;Wasteful and unnecessary meetings would NOT happen under my administration&#8221;. Who decides what&#8217;s wasteful or unnecessary? Even if the people at the city agreed with that thought, to the person or people that have an issue, IT&#8217;S NOT WASTEFUL OR UNNECESSARY it&#8217;s very important! </p>
<p>I may not agree with those against Smart Meters but, it&#8217;s an issue for over 1400 in our city IS IT&#8217;S IMPORTANT TO ME. In the City of Tonisch, you wouldn&#8217;t waste your time. In the City of Sedona, those COUNCIL people set up many meetings (wasteful to Tonsich) to listen to the concerns of the residents. </p>
<p>Well sir, our city manager has proven his worth to me and many others over the years. </p>
<p>In the City of Tonisch, meetings would be a waste of time after all, you just said so.</p>
<p>In our city, when I had an issue at the senior center, Mr. Ernster set up a meeting, listened to the issues and solved the problem. Sometimes Council meetings can be long but, I don&#8217;t consider them wasteful if they help to solve a problem. But, it&#8217;s government, not an HOA. </p>
<p>In the City of Tonisch, when you have an issue with someone, you run around taking photos to the &#8220;evil doers&#8221; like our cops for taking a 10 break or a worker cashing his check. Wow, you have proven to be a born leader. </p>
<p>In the City of Tonisch, when you don&#8217;t agree with the smallest issue, you blow it out of proportion with half truths or try to eliminate it like you originally tried to do with your HOA, remember way back when before you became King.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to impress the readers of this site with how well you run your HOA because an HOA is not responsible for millions and millions of tax dollars. An HOA is  not responsible to see that health and safety issues of the residents are protected. An HOA doesn&#8217;t have to follow strict AZ laws. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not putting down HOA&#8217;s they are a very important group within a development. I&#8217;m just saying that running an HOA is no where near as difficult to run as a city.</p>
<p>Remember, when there&#8217;s an issue that the HOA can&#8217;t solve, you have to turn to the real guns, the people at the City to really get the difficult things done. So go back to checking to insure that houses are painted the proper color and that your neighbors cars aren&#8217;t parked in the wrong place, Oh, wait don&#8217;t you have a few too many cars parked in your driveway? Oh, that&#8217;s right, you&#8217;re the King of the HOA. </p>
<p>Just face it, YOU DON&#8217;T HAVE THE INTEGRITY to sustain a job like City Manager and will never deserve the respect to earn a salary like that. So I guess you are jealous.</p>
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		By: Sedona Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sedona Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 15:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has anyone been paying attention to other cities that have gone into ruin? Check out the news. Phoenix is a good example. They gave city manager a huge raise, they tax everything, city council played Santa Claus with the City money. Now they are cutting salaries, trying to stay afloat. Negativity, righteous and self serving got them nowhere.  They thought they were better than anyone.

All government agencies are required to be accountable. Telling the residents in the city limits they don&#039;t count is wrong. If you listen to city council, city staff, and the chamber no one matters but them. Stand up Sedona let the city council  know you do NOT like what they&#039;re doing. Call, drop a letter by city hall, send an email and VOTE. 

By not speaking up you have given up your civil rights and endorse this attitude. This include businesses, why do you collect sales tax and bed tax when the city  uses it against you to promote the chambers members who are NOT in the incorporated are? Those controlling the city are special interest groups. These special interest groups  are on city council and staff  like a fly on S___. Speak up, be heard, make a change. If you love Sedona please speak up.

Vote NO on homerule August 26. Start controlling city council. Speak up. NO on homerule, limit their spending to state guidelines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone been paying attention to other cities that have gone into ruin? Check out the news. Phoenix is a good example. They gave city manager a huge raise, they tax everything, city council played Santa Claus with the City money. Now they are cutting salaries, trying to stay afloat. Negativity, righteous and self serving got them nowhere.  They thought they were better than anyone.</p>
<p>All government agencies are required to be accountable. Telling the residents in the city limits they don&#8217;t count is wrong. If you listen to city council, city staff, and the chamber no one matters but them. Stand up Sedona let the city council  know you do NOT like what they&#8217;re doing. Call, drop a letter by city hall, send an email and VOTE. </p>
<p>By not speaking up you have given up your civil rights and endorse this attitude. This include businesses, why do you collect sales tax and bed tax when the city  uses it against you to promote the chambers members who are NOT in the incorporated are? Those controlling the city are special interest groups. These special interest groups  are on city council and staff  like a fly on S___. Speak up, be heard, make a change. If you love Sedona please speak up.</p>
<p>Vote NO on homerule August 26. Start controlling city council. Speak up. NO on homerule, limit their spending to state guidelines.</p>
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		By: Tom Bergen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Bergen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 02:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Julie

If you are truly not connect to Tony perhaps you should change your name on this site. It doesn&#039;t really matter, even if you&#039;re not Julie, you have the same mentality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Julie</p>
<p>If you are truly not connect to Tony perhaps you should change your name on this site. It doesn&#8217;t really matter, even if you&#8217;re not Julie, you have the same mentality.</p>
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		By: Maria &#38; John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria &#38; John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 02:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We don&#039;t know any of you and quite frankly feel that is a good thing. However based on the level of the comments, Tony Tonsich stands far taller than Tom G. or Long Time Resident simply because the level of his remarks remain above simply insulting those who disagree with him. So blast us and our integrity TG &#038; LTR for having expressed an opinion that no doubt you won&#039;t agree. Do you agree with anyone except maybe each other? Or, for that matter, are you one and the same? Sounds like it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t know any of you and quite frankly feel that is a good thing. However based on the level of the comments, Tony Tonsich stands far taller than Tom G. or Long Time Resident simply because the level of his remarks remain above simply insulting those who disagree with him. So blast us and our integrity TG &amp; LTR for having expressed an opinion that no doubt you won&#8217;t agree. Do you agree with anyone except maybe each other? Or, for that matter, are you one and the same? Sounds like it.</p>
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		By: Tony Tonsich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Tonsich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 02:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As to the balance of the $600,000 City Managers office budget:

City Manager,
Assistant City Manager
Assistant to the City manager
It just goes on.  

Look at sedonaaz.gov, your neck will get sore from shaking you head at all the wasteful spending.

It&#039;s your money.

Vote NO on Home Rule/  Alternative Spending Limitation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the balance of the $600,000 City Managers office budget:</p>
<p>City Manager,<br />
Assistant City Manager<br />
Assistant to the City manager<br />
It just goes on.  </p>
<p>Look at sedonaaz.gov, your neck will get sore from shaking you head at all the wasteful spending.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s your money.</p>
<p>Vote NO on Home Rule/  Alternative Spending Limitation.</p>
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		By: Tony Tonsich		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Tonsich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 02:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to Tim Ernsters employment contract, April 2009, obtained under a freedom of information request: Base Salary $167,500, $22,000 annually towards a retirement account, $500 per month, or $6000 per year for car allowance. 5 weeks paid vacation/leave the first year and every year thereafter. 

I have a Bachelor of Science in Business Management, (a four year degree for you Sedona GED managers with letters after your name). I have taken Post Graduate classes in public Administration. I have been President, Vice President and owner in numerous private enterprises. 

I have over 40 years of increasing responsible work experience. I would have gotten a Masters in Public Administration, but after observing a city at &quot;work&quot;, I got terminally bored by all the meetings. Wasteful and unnecessary meetings would NOT happen under my administration. The only people in Sedona who make six figure salaries are City employees, the Fire Chief,  and a few self employed Doctors.

I&#039;ll do the job for a flat $50,000. I am VERY qualified.  I&#039;m sure there are other Sedona residents more qualified than I that will do it for $50,000 also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Tim Ernsters employment contract, April 2009, obtained under a freedom of information request: Base Salary $167,500, $22,000 annually towards a retirement account, $500 per month, or $6000 per year for car allowance. 5 weeks paid vacation/leave the first year and every year thereafter. </p>
<p>I have a Bachelor of Science in Business Management, (a four year degree for you Sedona GED managers with letters after your name). I have taken Post Graduate classes in public Administration. I have been President, Vice President and owner in numerous private enterprises. </p>
<p>I have over 40 years of increasing responsible work experience. I would have gotten a Masters in Public Administration, but after observing a city at &#8220;work&#8221;, I got terminally bored by all the meetings. Wasteful and unnecessary meetings would NOT happen under my administration. The only people in Sedona who make six figure salaries are City employees, the Fire Chief,  and a few self employed Doctors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do the job for a flat $50,000. I am VERY qualified.  I&#8217;m sure there are other Sedona residents more qualified than I that will do it for $50,000 also.</p>
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