You said “…so be careful who you go around insulting because you have a lot of explaining to due if its brought up.” OK Dave, I’ll do my explaining right here and now and then you better have a well-evidenced reply. The Sierra Club filed at least 17 lawsuits over several decades to prevent clearing of underfall and emergency vehicle roadways into USFS managed forest properties. Fires like the Rodeo-Chideski fire in eastern AZ, the worst in U.S. history burned over 467,000 acres of prime Ponderosa, and the Wallow fire was almost as big, when prior to the filing of the first of The Sierra Club’s lawsuits, the average size of an Arizona wildfire was about 15-17% of the acreage burned in fires of the last two decades. Thanks to Sierra Club lawsuits to hold off USFS recommended tree thinning by private subcontractor loggers, as well as performing required brush clearing and underfall clearing before taking cut trees, the USFS will tell you that at the time of the R-C fire Ponderosa density was just under 700 trees per acre. Prior to Sierra Club lawsuits the normal density was about 50 trees per acre. It would appear that the scope of the problem is obvious, but it isn’t. Why? Because the Sierra Club lawsuits designed to stall proper logging techniques to accommodate good forestry management practices had another consequence. That consequence was that The Sierra Club lawsuits prevented the cutting in of wide-thoroughfare emergency roadways to handle not only logging trucks but EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO FIGHT FIRES when the day came for their needed use. And, the day did come. The cost to fight that single fire was $41.3 million, almost another $10 million for cleanup. $28.3$ million in homes were destroyed and nothing good ever came of the Sierra Club’s lawsuits although they will not, to this day, take responsibility for the unnecessary severity of these fires across Arizona but, instead they blame debunked climate change theory for the increased intensity of wildfires. Any half-wit can stand in the charred remains of those Ponderosa stands and see what the problem was. BTW, Dave, at the time of the R-C I had a ranch-home in the Carefree-Cave Creek area, and I took pictures spaced at an hour apart the day of the fires maximum intensity. Every hour the massive boiling smoke clouds doubled in size until over a half-day period the clouds had boiled up to 35,000ft. The fire was bearing down towards me. Are you brave enough to meet me in person at a local coffee shop so that I can show them to you? Of course you’re no,t since you’re the type of troll who prefers to shoot off his/her mouth before having done any evidentiary research. But, if you were to see them, then you could speculate to me what a great service The Sierra Club has provided to Arizona. One other thing…I would suggest you never take a vacation to our eastern mountains while expressing your point of view. You might be tarred and feathered before you can get out.

JRN

Now this is the second time in days you have thrown out insults to the Sierra Club ?

Is a group that is about saving the environment really that bad? We wouldn’t have our largest tourist destination without them….

I love fishing, and time to time I hunt….I want our lands clean as I eat what I catch…..See how that works?

I am far more worried as to where your money and backing comes from….That would be the ” the few the proud, the elite”….

We see who you carry the water for, so be careful who you go around insulting because you have a lot of explaining to due if its brought up…..

There are over 100 NM in America and all seem to be doing well it is only Sedona that all the terrible things will happen to.
This is because this is a T party no government issue to some , The tide is turning.
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Perhaps you missed this sentence in the article: “Meanwhile, the current Amendment 12 Resource Management Plan that the USFS operates under only allows for another 300 acres to be traded of the proposed 160,000 acre NM.” Your hysteria is misguided.

@Laurel Romm,

You said “None of us remember a ballot or vote or survey on the SVVRRNM issue, much less one that had a result like that.” Perhaps you should remember that 100% of Verde Valley City Councils and unincorporated Township boards voted against the Sedona-Verde Valley Red Rock National Monument which trumps any poll taken at any time, anywhere. Meanwhile, you sound like a malcontent KSB or Sierra Club member.

JRN

86% of the Verde Valley’s residents? Where did you come up with this statistic? I’ve talked to many of my colleagues and friends who live in the “Verde Valley Red Rocks Country”. None of us remember a ballot or vote or survey on the SVVRRNM issue, much less one that had a result like that. Maybe you got your numbers from the little online polls run by the Sedona Red Rock News for entertainment – you know, the ones where you can vote over and over for the same thing.

Given that you are publishing this misleading statistic without citing your source, I am assuming your other statistics are just as misleading, invalid and biased.

I’m very impressed at your newly found command of the English language and full sentences and spelling that actually spells a word.

I totally agree with JRN – it for sure is not “our” Steve Segner.

Wise up. Are you saying incorporated City of Sedona would remain an island in the center of a National Monument? Dream on. And since you are so against the idea of a NM, what difference does it make? Didn’t some famous person just use those words? “What difference does it make.” Hillary Clinton maybe?

So a National Monument wouldn’t impact Sedona City. HA, HA, HA, HA!