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Sedona City Limits 101 with Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

Sedona AZ (July 15, 2015)For those of you who aren’t aware of Sedona City Limits, here are the approximate locations:

Coming North on SR 179, there’s a City Limits sign shortly before the Little Horse Trail Head. It jogs west, then turns north to Back O’Beyond Road, turning west again to Oak Creek. From there the City Limits follows Oak Creek northeast to a point where it turns west to include Vortex Elev. 4686, the Sedona-Oak Creek Airport, Carroll Canyon Arch, and crosses Red Rock Loop Road slightly south of, but to include, Sedona Red Rock High School and Sedona Cultural Park. Entering Sedona from Cottonwood, the City Limits sign is located shortly before reaching the high school.

Going East, from the designated sign before Little Horse Trail, City Limits ends pretty much where the USFS land begins, bearing north and bordering the Munds Mountain Wilderness Area to slightly beyond Schnebly Hill Road where City Limits bears to the east, then again turns north to a point slightly beyond Midgley Bridge. From Midgley Bridge going west, City Limits remain within the section designated from Little Horse Trail to Coffee Pot Rock, jogging at that point slightly south, continuing west again, then south, then west, then north, ending a short distance after the Dry Creek Boynton Canyon road split. This jogging section is around the Secret Mountain Wilderness Area.

Sedona AZ

Sedona AZ

In a nutshell, City Limits lies within the area from Back O’Beyond, Midgley Bridge, Boynton Canyon, and Sedona High School. Continuing South on Red Rock Loop Road, City Limits cuts eastward to connect with Oak Creek Canyon and follows the route to meet up with Back O’ Beyond, then south around Cathedral Rock, continuing east to the point of City Limits entry on SR 179.

The source of this information is provided on a map of Sedona, a product of J & H Publishing LTD, copyright 2011 edition.

Sedona City Limits is not to be confused with the Sedona Fire District or the Sedona-Oak Creek Unified School District which include the Village of Oak Creek, incorporated Sedona, and outlying areas extending to Sedona Pines, Red Rock Crossing, Lower Loop Road, Elmersville, and 86336 zip codes in Oak Creek Canyon beyond Midgley Bridge, as was confirmed by Jody with the Sedona Fire Department.

Sedona City Limits does NOT include all 86336 mailing addresses.

Similarly, the Village of Oak Creek, although identified as “Sedona, AZ” by mailing addresses, does NOT have 86336 zip codes, but clearly does not lie within Sedona City Limits.

Please keep in mind that the original intent for incorporated Sedona was to include the same areas as our School and Fire Districts, which would have in fact included the VOC, Red Rock Crossing, and areas north of Dry Creek and Boynton Canyon Roads. Voters in those areas did not want to be included in incorporated Sedona when the vote was taken, therefore the reason for their omission.

Why do members of the Sedona City Council insist on extending their jurisdiction with unnecessary involvement beyond Sedona City Limits? State law indicates their charge is within the designated boundaries.

Why do the Chamber of Commerce, a regional member driven special interest group, Sedona City Council, and Sedona City Staff have such a difficult time ascertaining the physical location of Chamber members and residents within this very precise designated area?

Get a map. Check it out. “It’s too difficult” is not a valid excuse and should be unacceptable.

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157 Comments

  1. S Miller says:

    Weeds are planted by those trying to distract you. Everyone know Segner is lying as he is funded by the city. If his lodging council were that great they wouldn’t be begging from a tiny town grabbing from the taxpayer dollars.

  2. CITY LIMITS? says:

    According to what? That sign on 179 was moved many times before its final resting place.
    Cathedral Rock is in BIG PARK. Enchantment/Seven Canyons is in unincorporated Yavapai County.
    The Sedona Airport is federal owned but run under the boondoggles of the Yavapai County Supervisors who control and hand select the Board. Great work and health benefits up there for the hand selected employees. Sky Ranch lodge pays city taxes as a token to the city.
    The Supervisors are 4 out of 5 from the other side of the mountain and took Cornville for themselves(Prescott) in the redistricting.
    I suggest you refer to old fashioned maps. Sedona is tinier than you think.

  3. Thank you, @City Limits? – for confirming that neither Cathedral Rock nor Enchantment Resort are located within Sedona City Limits. As pointed out in the article, City Limits from east to west zig-zags around Cathedral Rock to the Upper Loop Road just beyond and to include the high school in City Limits. Also the boundary from Midgley Bridge to the Dry Creek- Boynton Road junction zig-zags around the Secret Mountain Wilderness area. Two City Limit signs exist at the three entrances to Sedona. One is a small official post, the other three setve as artistic “welcome” signs. As for the airport, it, of course. is located within Sedona City Limits and subject to city building codes. However, having been under lease agreement with Yavapai County and the Airport Authority long before Sedona incorporated, jurisdiction is under an exceptional situation and perhaps someone from the Airport Authority or a business proprietor might offer more specific information.

    Eddie Maddock

  4. JeanJ says:

    @GW. Thanks so much for your salient questions and insights.

    In my opinion, the last Mayor and City Manager, as well as K. Daines, greased the wheels for the rampant cronyism, the secretive ‘Citizen Engagement’ Program, and the illegal spending of taxpayer money on business comrades outside the City limits, all now the norm here.

    No business, whether situated in or outside Sedona City Limits, should receive any amount of taxpayer funding whatsoever.

  5. Tom G says:

    @James Harrington

    Thanks for posting my comments from a year or two ago
    Funny stuff:::
    You and the others constant complainers and still complaining(different day different complaint.. same old..same old)

    The more things change, the more they stay the same..ie you and the others here that only complain, find fault and take no action except crying behind your computer..

  6. Rockin Roger says:

    @JeanJ

    Wow, it may be your opinion and a strong opinion it is. You never liked the engagement idea because you never leave your house and I’m guessing that they don’t video them. But to accuse anyone of greasing the wheels in any way is a bit out there. Perhaps you would consider leaving your house, getting yourself down to the mic at city hall and saying those inflammatory accusations in public, because you do have proof to back those comments up right????

  7. @Tom G – you continue to sound more like West Sedona Resident. Thank you for acknowledging my research which, in turn, acknowledges that you and West Sedona Resident definitely do not practice what you preach. Your ongoing comments alone indicate that you have idle time to devote behind your own computer.

  8. Carol (N) says:

    One thing that continues to be ignored is that nothing – absolutely nothing is going to change in Sedona. The past city council by locking in the advertising with the chamber of commerce for three years set the course for the future. The four elected (including the mayor) to replace the outgoing council members were hand picked by the leader of the Lodging Council, Steve Segner, and backed by Chamber & Lodging. It is what it is so get over it!

  9. Norma says:

    In order to grow one must be willing to be progressive. Accepting things because that is the way our grandparents did it doesn’t make it right.

    Everyone is equal. Thank goodness we had brave people step forward. For example women didn’t always have a vote. Slavery and nazi extermination camps are a good examples.

    If we listened to Hitler where would we be today?

    N* R*

  10. B. Rimini says:

    OMG what an asinine statement from you Norma? Seriously do you not know your words? Your words say throw out the American Constitution, it says ignore Martin Luther’s Reformation, it says burn the Magna Carta, it says the nations have no rights to self determination, it says everyone is unequal. Equality was a radical idea of the Founding Fathers. Know your history. Know your global history. You live in a radical country based on radical ideas and ideals. It threw out centuries of old thinking. You listen to progressives who would return us to days of old? Grow up. Think beyond the classroom despots who would own your soul and mind.

    Read some of the great progressives of time – they were Jefferson, Franklin, John Jay and many others – radicals. We live by progressive philosophy in America but you would have us return to serfdom of Marx and Mao theories that only the politburo can think for the masses? Only the church can think for the people like the Muslim religion?

  11. Disappointed says:

    We just returned from vacation so checked out video of council meeting 7/14. Not sure about the time set aside for performers on the first monthly Tuesday meetings, but when the name Chris Spheeris was announced we perked up and took note. How disappointing it was to hear from this well-known and talented man political snipes degrading those who might oppose the current trend at council meetings of shunning public input except for special interest groups.

    On the other hand, as the agenda of the meeting was about council rules of procedure, it was a bit contradictory when John Martinez wanted for formal titles to remain when addressing mayor and council members during meetings.

    Now isn’t that a bit of a conflict? If this city council accepts during the assigned monthly entertainment provision the policy of public political slamming, they really think they deserve to be acknowledged with dignified titles during the meeting itself?

    Speaking of double standards . . . . . . something to think about.

    If this isn’t the appropriate place for this comment we apologize but didn’t know exactly where else to post it.

    Thank you.

  12. Norma says:

    That is the exact point.@B. Rimini. Why would anyone follow the oldie narrow minded city council, chamber, and lodging? Quality of life is being ruined by the players playing the system for their personal benefit.

    Sedona City Council threw out the American Constitution. They know what best for everyone. Just watch the meetings.

    So will you become and remain passive when you or your childern get effected?

    The city district is defined by the area of incorporation.

    Double standards for sure @Dissappointed.

  13. Thank You says:

    This is very informative and clarification of Sedona City Limits versus School & Fire Districts is much appreciated.

    Looking at a map and seeing factually the small geographic size of incorporated Sedona makes one wonder where in the world these “city” leaders got their big government ideas. Their heads must be bigger than the area they were elected to oversee. Maybe that’s why they refuse to down-size their grandiose ideas to the reality that Sedona truly is just a small “town.” (Why was Sedona labeled a city in the first place? Does anyone know?)

  14. With a national election coming up next year, the pot’s already almost reached the boiling point. Does it seem the dust doesn’t even settle from one election to the next without offering a break to catch a breath of fresh air? So it is, and not to maybe toss in a thought or two about “little” Sedona and potential “big” plans for the city-owned acreage at the “wet lands” – Wastewater Treatment Plant.

    As a committee works diligently behind closed doors at City Hall, let’s keep in mind the land under siege does NOT lie within Sedona City Limits. Aha! And just who will have the final say for what will be developed on a portion of that broad expanse between Sedona and Cottonwood?

    It will be the Yavapai County Supervisors and Planners making that final decision. And it should be interesting since long time Supervisor Chip Davis announced some time ago he does not intend to run for the position again. Who will be his replacement?

    Now in the past, proposals have been rejected to develop a resort complex at the former Rojo Grande Ranch just outside Sedona City LImits. Other proposals were probably on the table but without specifics they will not be approached here. The point being, what is in the future not only for the Western Gateway entering Sedona , but over and beyond that City’s “focus area” planning process for big things to happen at the former Cultural Park and surrounding properties?

    With a turnover of a key player in Yavapai County’s planning process, Supervisor Chip Davis, in addition to four terms expiring on the Sedona City Council (DiNunzio, Williamson, Martinez, and Mayor Moriarty’s two year slot) will there also be a change-over there as well?

    Any thoughts?

  15. J. J. says:

    Big things happening at the Cultural Park ? Only two things can happen there – the land can be leased back to the Cultural Park or it can be given back to the USFS. That’s all that can LEGALLY happen according to the original land swap.

    Looking forward to new blood in government – as long as there’s new thinking along the lines of doing not only what’s legal, but what’s right as well.

  16. @J.J. – Hopefully you are correct. We are on the same page that at the time the USFS land exchange was approved it was to “in perpetuity” never to be rezoned for commercial development. However, that was back then and to my knowledge there was nothing concrete in the land exchange agreement verifying that stipulation.

    Big plans on the docket for sure will require a zone change. We will find out soon enough how honorably those presently in power will deal with the situation. Or will they betray the very voices that made the Cultural Park land available in the first place?

    It seems we should have the opportunity for another vote? My vote would be:
    Return it to the Forest Service (or Native Americans who respect Mother Earth).

  17. Steve segner says:

    Jean, one more time you are way way wrong.
    The property has been through P&Z. With old owners.
    The new plan at some point may come back to the city for approval.
    But we all know You just use old facts, not the new 2015 facts
    The land swap, is history, new owners new plan.
    Steve

  18. J. J. says:

    Oh why yes! It’s the golden rule – who ever has the gold sets the rules!

    What happened at the Cultural Park isn’t right and you know it, Steve segner. Tennyson is paying the odds, and greasing palms.

    Another vote? Sure. I’m sure all will remember as we do, Eddie.

    -JJ

  19. Well, J.J., it’s difficult to say how many of us are still around who remember the terms attached to voter approval for the USFS land exchange for the purpose of establishing the Cultural Park. However, Mayor Sandy Moriarty, as a Sedona resident for over 40 years, should most assuredly recall the passion involved in agreeing to that controversial land exchange was largely based on the words “no commercial development in perpetuity.” As also Mayor Sandy should recall the solid promise that if Sedona were to incorporate “there would be no city property taxes!”

    Period, end of report.

    PS – As one of Sedona’s newly designated “focus areas” (the Western Gateway) how about including a “hanging tree” for special events? Just a thought. For sure it wouldn’t be for commercial purposes – or would it?

  20. Dan says:

    Cultural park’s got a stupid name! Who the hell is this Tennyson being referred to?

  21. Most likely the only promise this city council will keep is the one to Jennifer Wesselhoff and her elite members of the chamber of commerce for that $1.5 annual million dollar contract for a bogus visitor center and unnecessary advertising. Just a guess. Maybe a hanging tree might be a very good idea. Like the real “Old West” in conjunction with the annual Day of the Cowboy?

  22. JeanJ says:

    Don’t lie, Steve Segner. Get it right. J.J. IS NOT JEAN.

  23. steve Segner says:

    Dan, Tennyson now owns the property fyi
    actually has a nice plan for the area but we will see.
    ss

  24. Donna Varney says:

    Thank you J.J. & Eddie Maddock for reminding us about that agreement. To be honest I am in shock that there is not documentation in place to stop any commercial development.
    I think it was in 1995 the original exchange. The public was assured there would be no commercial development. Community Development department should have all the documentation archived.

  25. Annie says:

    Angela LeFevre was very smart to insist for something to be put in writing during approval of the CVS development – that the promise for dedicated land to remain open space in perpetuity was part of the development agreement. We’ll see how loyal she is to keeping the will of the people when it goes to council vote to approve a zone change and community plan amendment for the cultural park property. Any bets?

  26. Just Sayin' says:

    Come on Donna, haven’t you learned anything from Eddie Maddock. If it’s not in writing IT NEVER HAPPENED!

    There are so many BS stories and ASSUMPTIONS in this town. If it’s not in writing IT NEVER HAPPENED!

    It would be great if someone had proof to stop commercial development in this town but no one does. Again If it’s not in writing IT NEVER HAPPENED!

    Time to move along young lady.

  27. Donna Varney says:

    I believe there are records. Back then the city outsource to SCC. They had most of the records, then the county had some and the forest service had a lot. That area had some FS projects. Drainage basins and erosion control. I’m sure there is something on recorded. Then after the exchange Georgia Frontiere sponsored much of the cultural park. Her estate probably has records of the conditions.

    Yes it was very wise of Angela LeFever to require this. Great move.

    @Just Sayin’ Eddie Maddock has taught me a lot. She is a great role model. Here is a few things she has taught me 1. Be honest 2. Speak up 3. Be fair 4. Research, get the facts,ask 5. Never Never give up.
    Guess what that equals? = love her!

  28. Just Sayin' says:

    I’m sorry Donna, I’m not looking to start an argument but from your own words;

    “I believe, They had, had some & I’m sure”

    Until you can say that you have the doc’s or here is the contract, it isn’t the smoking gun and is just a pipe dream for us to stop development. One thing that I have learned from this crazy blog site is that if Eddie doesn’t have it or know where it is, it doesn’t mean anything.

    So once again, move on to something that you can prove.

  29. Point of clarification here. Having never seen the actual contract for the Forest Service Cultural Park land trade it’s impossible to verify one way or the other if the commitment for the property to remain non-commercial, in perpetuity, was in writing.

    However, to the best of my recollection, having contacted Jennifer Burns with the U.S. Forest Service she advised me the language had not been included in that document and a record of that is in a file I loaned to someone who has not returned it.Therefore, if the USFS and/or Sedona Community Development is able to locate the actual agreement, therein will lie the answer. So leads to locating the actual document as suggested by Donna Varney are valuable.

    Whether or not the stipulation was deliberately or accidentally left out of the agreement, there are those who are aware that without that condition the land exchange would never have been approved. Since we have Sandy Moriarty as Mayor at this time, as someone else pointed out, she lived here not only prior to incorporation but was appointed to an interim city council, serving until an official election occurred. Surely she remains aware of the conditional terms pertaining to that land exchange?

    Although the updated Community Plan was approved by voters, the turn out was sluggish. Therefore the decision for the proposed focus areas which have already resulted in the construction of the Marriott and proposed expansion and redevelopment of the Cultural Park, most assuredly didn’t represent a clear majority of Sedona’s registered voters because they apparently weren’t interested enough to vote.

    And so, when yet another resort hotel and community focus area become a reality at Soldier’s Pass Road and the Brewer property and Schnebly Road become additional activity hubs, any complaints of further traffic gridlock should properly go to those uninterested folks who didn’t care or neglected to vote on the issues relating to the increased congestion.

    On the other hand though, people dumb enough to have voted and approved incorporation of Sedona should be accustomed to betrayal because it happened from day one when new construction and expansions were approved prior to providing sewer service to the entire incorporated area. Be careful what you ask for is the moral of the story.

  30. Prediction says:

    IMO, former Sedona mayor Rob Adams will run for Yavapai County Supervisor’s Chip Davis’ position.

  31. sharlett says:

    @Annie

    Am I the only one who remembers Angela voting No at the first CVS meeting and then at the next meeting she was still ready to vote no until she finally got the developer to finally agree to ” promise for dedicated land to remain open space in perpetuity was part of the development agreement”?

    Didn’t she switch her No vote, at the second council meeting, to a Yes after she declared that she could only get her prescriptions filled at a CVS and this approval would mean she could get them in Sedona instead of driving to Cottonwood?

    That may look like a small or moot point but in reality it is a very large point. Looks like she tagged her vote on her own personal conveniences. Seems her loyalty is only tagged to how many miles she has to drive to pick up her meds.

    It appears that Angela feels no connection with legal parameters or honors perception of what an elected person does or ARS on any level.

    Her newest feel good of tripping the light fantastic of ignoring laws is the National Monument (NM) issue that her group KSB is espousing as the best thing since a chocolate triple scoop banana split with cherries on top on a hot day.

    She clearly and loudly announced at a council meeting that she was carrying petitions FOR the NM and then she was at an event where she was actually handing out broachers supporting same.

    Her only information comes from what KSB has put out as their supposed truth without even honoring the “other side of the story”. And it looks like City Staff doesn’t give a damn about the other side of the story. Wham bam and thank you mam says Staff and too many on Council.

    @Just Sayin’ You make a good point when you say ” If it’s not in writing IT NEVER HAPPENED!” All legal issues are in writing so what’s your point?

    The original approval of the Cultural Park was never for Commercial Development as their Board sought and was granted a State Parks Grant to develop it as a Park. If the city reneged on that then the city owed the state the funds extended. City, in all it’s wisdom, decided to float those loan funds to the Barbara A park and thereby thought they eliminated/circumvented the publicly agreed to restrictions on the no commercial routine at the Cultural Park.

    What is going on is a shell game: KSB, Cultural Park and now the National Monument.

    Oh, @Just Sayin’ – are you kidding me that you actually believe there is a way to… “It would be great if someone had proof to stop commercial development in this town”.

    Let me repeat your words of “if someone had proof to stop commercial development in this town”. I just figured out how you could live in a community that does stop all commercial development. Move to Russia!

    Commercial development is the backbones of our Country just as following laws and getting everything in writing vs behind the door agreements.

    May I suggest you all go to http://www.arizonaliberty.us/Sedona_Verde_Valley_Red_Rock_National_Monument.html

  32. Annie says:

    @Sharlett, you make some good points but does that mean you support Tennyson’s proposal for redevelopment of the Cultural Park land – to include a convention center and another 200 room hotel? Do you think a resort hotel and community activity center (or whatever) on the Biddle property is a good idea? How much more commercial development can Sedona tolerate.With the number of vacant commercial rentals what has happened to the concept of balance between supply and demand? And wouldn’t a national monument designation insist on shuttle service and/or development of new roads to accommodate the additional tourist attracted to a new marketing effort by the regional chamber of commerce – that being Sedona as a National Monument? Wouldn’t that be a boon for the economy?

    My reason for giving credit to Angela for having insisted the CVS have the open space in perpetuity clause in the development contract had nothing to do with why she did or didn’t support the project. It was simply an observation that she did the right thing by making sure it was part of the contract which should have been the case with the land exchange on the culture park property. That’s all. Sorry if it offended you and I give you credit for your contributions even though you seem to only criticize others no matter what.

  33. See empty stores? West Sedona, VOC, Tlaq, Hillside, Uptown, Canyon. Business sucks. Pretend & they will come. Say it often enough & they believe.

  34. Donna Varney says:

    Sedona Cultural Park 501c (3) Filed taxes 2003, 2004, 2005
    501 c3 *******tax deductable non profit

    Grants-1.6 m 2004 2.9 m in 2005

    2003 Salaries:
    Alan Horton $95,000
    Alex Duggen 67,500
    Douglas Tantum $60,000
    Lisa Rhodes $50,000
    http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/86-0339282/sedona-cultural-park.aspx#forms-docs
    http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2003/860/339/2003-860339282-1-9.pdfhttp://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/860/339/2005-860339282-02bf1e8e-Z.pdf

  35. @Prediction

    I agree!

    That may be a good idea. Maybe Rob will kick some butt and make some changes with Yavapai College so that we can get equal education funding on this side of the mountains. Certainly never say Davis do anything for us in the Valley.

    Keeping that in mind, if Rob doesn’t get his way and it always has to be HIS way, he’d just have a temper tantrum, pick up his toys and run home to mommy.

  36. Lost Cause says:

    Chamber’s done a helluva job attracting destination tourists who define that as flooding Sedona on WEEKENDS. (proof? where’s the overload of “destinationers” during the rest of the week?)

    Traffic backed up on 179 coming into town all the way to Morgan and Lord only know’s how far on 89 coming into town that way. Do not blame it on the roundabouts. Traffic instead of being backed up by signals continues to move even at a snail’s pace until reaching the congested uptown area. A good deal of the blame, besides chamber’s famous success at attracting more day trippers, is the idiotic re-design – by the CITY – of the portion of 89A in uptown that they now own. Just imagine the mess if they owned the entire 89A route through Sedona!

    Vacant commercial rentals in Sedona? Nah! Who would notice just an obvious thing. Same as the ongoing non-destination tourists that the chamber successfully roped in. My what would we do without them? There are a few suggestions better left unsaid. But as Sharlett so wisely tells us, it’s the commercial development that’s the economic engine driving Sedona, even when sitting vacant. Them’s really not autos you see out there.

  37. Nick T. says:

    Very interesting statistics (D. Varney re Cultural Park). Wonder what the salaries would have been if they were incorporated “for profit?” How does this compare with number of employees and wages paid for the operation of chamber of commerce? Do they (chamber) have the option of applying for all those grants or is it just city and members footing the bill to sustain the quality of life to which they’ve become accustom?

  38. Sedona AZ (May 21, 2013) – The Sedona Cultural Park – rising from the ashes?
    One of the most frequent questions that I have been asked during the last several years is, “What is the status of the Sedona Cultural Park?” In order to answer that question, I would like to provide you with a brief history.
    Originally the 50.2 acre Cultural Park property was National Forest. It was designated as “Open Space Preservation/Conservation” on the Community Plan Land Use map. In 1993, the Land Use Map was amended to “Public/Semi-public” for the Sedona Cultural Park, specifically to accommodate community cultural facility amenities. At that time, the Sedona Community Plan supported USFS land trades only for public/semi-public uses, parks or open spaces. Following a Community Plan amendment, a land trade was subsequently completed. https://sedonaeye.com/eye-on-sedona-cultural-park.

  39. @More information – Thank you for resurrecting this. Exceptionally timely and the comments offer thoughtful insight.

  40. So now Sedona City Council asks Keep Sedona Beautiful to investigate possibility of making an “expanded” National Monument? And for what purpose? Are they and the “regional Chamber of Commerce” still so desperate that a NM designation is the only way they can legitimately claim as much out of city limits territory as they jolly well please in order to rule and dictate far beyond what they were elected to do?

    Unlike incorporated Sedona, the arrogance of power of these people has no boundaries as they wish for their own control to encompass. If they are able to pull off this latest scam – to fast track push through a National Monument with unknown future ramifications, then won ‘t the burden of future financial responsibilities, among other negative responsibilities, will still conveniently fall on the shoulders of the in-city limits businesses and residences?

    Well at least at that time we’ll be good for something.

    But wait, will the Federal Government after they are actually in control of ‘EVERYTHING’ actually listen to the haughty know-it-all city council, regional chamber of commerce, and cooperating staff members?

    Me thinks NOT!

  41. steve Segner says:

    What’s Really Going On? said:
    “Are they and the “regional Chamber of Commerce” still so desperate that a NM designation is the only way they can legitimately claim as much out of city limits territory as they jolly well please in order to rule and dictate far beyond what they were elected to do?”

    Please show us any statement from the chamber re above statement .
    I have never seen a statement from the chamber re National Monument.
    Please , just show us, with out the usual personal insults..
    just the facts please

  42. @steve Segner – so are you saying the “regional” Chamber of Commerce and Sedona Lodging Council disapproves of the proposal for a National Monument? Are you implying the suggestion made at KSB promotional meetings, that a NM will increase tourism and be economically beneficial doesn’t appeal to C of C or affinity Lodging Council? Since because of the .5% bed tax increase, the C of C holds a perpetual contract with City of Sedona for Destination Marketing benefiting well in excess of $1,000,000 annually, the potential for a new marketing strategy, that being a National Monument, isn’t attractive to you? Do you think it’s fair for KSB to refrain from providing a forum presenting both sides of the issue? Is it true the C of C and KSB are Face Book friends?

    It seems you have a lot more to confirm or deny than anyone suggesting the Chamber of Commerce (regional) is in support of a National Monument designation and really there’s no apparent reason you should take offense at such a notion.

  43. Jack M says:

    The City council gifts the regional chamber millions of taxpayers money without a return on investment. The chamber is a regional special interest group same as KSB..While they roll in the money they are not a real business contributing. Easy money as we have a super stupid CC.
    You’re a thief suckner. Karma will get you. President of the LLL club.

  44. Steve segner says:

    what’s’ really going on, You did not answer the question, please show us any statements, from chamber re monument, you just ramble on about a non statement.
    And why is KSB a special interest group, they have done a lot of good for Sedona
    You just lash out an and make really stupid statements like cc and KSB are face book friends OMG.
    Let’s ALL take our time and look at all the facts and then make up our minds to support or not , no need for all this hate
    Ss

  45. Norma says:

    @steve KSB and the Chamber are special interest groups. Look it up 501. Just because you say it doesn’t make it true.

    The people and the businesses did NOT give up their legal rights. Geeze Steve you take credit for things you and your members don’t do. You have wedged your way into control.
    Show us transparent neutral proof of the business owners gave up their “rights” giving you control and their vote on ALL business issues. Give us real proof of your members contribution to the city. Don’t take credit for everyone as they are NOT members and get NO benefit from your membership special interest group. Your taking money that doesn’t belong to you.

  46. steve Segner says:

    Like i said when you have have no facts you go to personal attacks.
    I just asked to show us comments from chamber on the National Monument.
    KSB does a lot of good in this town ,what has Norma done for Sedona ?
    picking up any trash?
    Norma I take no credit, but is give credit to the people in this town that work to make Sedona better for all, visitors and locals, lake KSB and the Chamber,

  47. jd says:

    Take note, those who attempt to cross someone like S. Segner. With city staff and council in his back pocket, you will not win. Keep in mind he got where he is by going to council and saying trust me and they did and continue to do so. He can do no wrong in their eyes. Accept it. And that’s a fact Segner cannot argue.

    As for KSB, although they generally do good like litter lift and for a while at least had a grip on ugly signs (don’t know what happened with that) in the instance of a National Monument they have overstepped by seeking this quickie approval by presidential action. By aggressively taking action without due process and adequate time for public input isn’t right and it’s shameful and disrespectful to the founders of KSB.

    Too many people are away travelling or on vacation and know nothing of this travesty that will forever change their lives. Seems like legalized robbery to me. No wonder Segner has obviously jumped on their band wagon, as shown by his defensive stance. And he has nothing to gain? I doubt that and I do believe it’s still legal to express opinions although if S. had his way we’d all keep our mouths shut up unless we agree with him.

  48. On Sunday, August 30, the Sedona Police Department and city Engineering Services will be conducting a test of a traffic control plan that is planned to be implemented during heavy traffic conditions over the Labor Day weekend. City personnel will temporarily set up an additional southbound lane from the mid-block crosswalk to Forest Road. The second southbound lane on N. State Route 89A will cause closure of the northbound left turn lane onto Jordan Road.

    Motorists needing access to areas adjacent to Jordan Road during the test can either turn onto Forest Road or Apple Avenue. A message sign board will be in place on N. State Route 89A to inform motorists of the turn lane closure. The test is scheduled to occur around 2 p.m. and conclude by 3 p.m.

    Any questions regarding this Traffic Information Bulletin can be directed to the Lieutenant Lucas Wilcoxson at (928) 282-3102.

  49. MS says:

    A BUST $%^&*() THIS WEEKEND BUSINESS WAS A BUST. THE DOLLARS DIDN’T COME.

    wE called around, same everywhere in uptown west an d village

    no new investment here worth it, chipotle will fail or they will toss more food than we’ve got rocks

    another starbucks???? how many friggin cups of coffee will keep this town afloat we’ve got a half dozen STARBUCKS when starbucks own guidelines for population say 2 & screw the local coffeeshops that actually keep a bigger cup of the coffeepot in town

    city council has no foresight and no ability to make decisions using hindsight’s lessons

    I’M DISGUSTED WITH INEPTNESS OF IT ALL. lESSON LEARNED – NO NEW BUSINESS YET.

  50. James in VOC says:

    not happy?!?!? See ya, don’t let the door hit ya in the a*s

    We don’t need the bad energy

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