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Election Central 2016: Sedona City Council Second Election Forum

Harry Danilevics

Harry Danilevics

Sedona AZ (August 16, 2016) – On this past Thursday, August 11, 2016, from 12:30 and 2:00 p.m. at the Yavapai College Sedona Center, in west Sedona, five of the seven candidates sat at the front of a full room for the first Osher Lifelong Learners Institute (OLLI) sponsored candidate forum and the League of Women Voters Greater Verde Valley (LWVGVV) second co-sponsored candidate forum. Gerhard Mayer, Tom Lamkin, Joe Vernier, John Currivan, and Jessica Williamson were present, with Angela LeFevre substituting for and speaking on behalf of an absent John Martinez. Serving City Councilors Scott Jablow and John Thompson were also present, along with eight former Sedona City Councilors. Mayor Sandy Moriarty made her appearance near the end of the candidate forum.

During this past week’s OLLI/LWVGVV Sedona City Council forum, the candidates spoke to a completely full room on a wide array of topics ranging from the “Will of the People,” Trash Hauling, Uptown Parking Meters, the Franchise Agreements for APS and UNS Gas on the ballot, possible City Staff reductions, non-support of a National Monument, Traffic, and Millennials.

Coming up this Thursday, August 18, 2016, at 8:00 a.m. is the third opportunity to meet and listen to the City of Sedona City Council candidates speak, hosted this time by the Democrats of the Red Rocks at Olde Sedona Family Restaurant Bar and Grill, 1405 West Highway 89A, Sedona, AZ 86336.

Yavapai College Sedona Center Osher Lifelong Learners Institute (OLLI) hosts Sedona City Council 2016 Election Forum with co-sponsor League of Women Voters-Greater Verde Valley, August 2016.

Yavapai College Sedona Center Osher Lifelong Learners Institute (OLLI) hosted a Sedona City Council 2016 Election Forum with co-sponsor League of Women Voters-Greater Verde Valley (LWVGVV), August 11, 2016.

Seven candidates are running for Sedona City Council: Incumbents John Martinez and Jessica Williamson, together with John Currivan and Joe Vernier are competing for three four-year seats. Tom Lamkin and Gerhard Mayer are vying for a two-year seat. Mayor Sandy Moriarty is running unopposed for Mayor. All are invited to speak with DORR members and the public at this lively breakfast forum. Bring your questions and get some answers.

LWVGVV member, Barbara Litrell, stood from the audience to remind voters that “..If any of you or your friends are not registered, it’s obviously too late for the August 30 Primary, but it’s not too late for the General Election. I just want to draw your attention to the fact that early voting in October will begin October 12th, so the last day for registration is Monday, October 10th.”

Paul Friedman, a member of both organizations and moderator of the forum, provided a shout out to the LWVGVV for being dedicated to voter registration and candidate forums, having “helped hold nine or ten across the Verde Valley.”

The candidates were allowed three minutes each to answer the following question:

Moderator: All the submissions mentioned the Council’s role in implementing “the will of the people.” How will you assess what most Sedona residents want? Is everyone’s opinion of equal value to you? What will you do if your own convictions and the will of the majority differ? What will you do if professional consultants advocate a policy that differs from what you hear or poll results? How will you apply your decision-making policy to the current controversies regarding trash hauling and uptown parking meters?

Will of the People

Tom Lamkin

Tom Lamkin

Tom Lamkin: “I like to see what the people think. What do the facts tell me? Are the consultants in conflict? I look at that, and see if there is a conflict of interest. What do the facts really support? Then get those facts out to people.”

John Currivan: “We should not just assume that the people who speak out whether it’s for or against something are a quote “vocal minority” as they are so often called. They may be vocal, but we have to figure out, are they a minority? Maybe they are actually a majority, and how do we do that?”

Joe Vernier: “A lot of people assume that because somebody is silent, or doesn’t come up and speak out, that they have given consent. And often times, when people are silent, that’s not the case. So you have to come up with strategies to find out, okay, people who aren’t expressing themselves, why aren’t they expressing themselves? Where are they at?”

Jessica Williamson: “I think this is a really interesting question, because it seems to assume that the Council’s job is to implement the will of the people, but it doesn’t consider at all how anybody decides what the will of the people is. Surely we know what people who come to sit at City Hall meetings want. People email us, we know what they want. But what about the thousands and thousands of other residents we don’t hear from?”

Gerhard Mayer: “I have been putting lots of thought to the will of the people and I’d say that the will of the people goes along with government should not control the people, but people should be in control of the government.”

Angela LeFevre speaking for John Martinez: “When we talk about the will of the people, are we talking about all 10,000+ citizens that live in this marvelous city, or the 6,000 registered voters or the 2,000+ who actually vote?”

Single Trash Hauler/Uptown Parking

Tom Lamkin: “Please raise your hand if you are opposed to that action at this time, alright look around. If you are in support of that action please raise your hand, got about 3-6, and it’s about an 80/20 split just from this group we polled…. If the city were to pursue this, and proceed with it, and make a decision that the current hauler that you are using today is going to be the one they select and it will save you 20% a month on your bill, and it would include recycling. How many of you would be in favor of it then, raise your hand please. 2,4,6,8,10,12, 14. That’s interesting, because that question shows you the difficulty in deciding what is the will of the people. Is it something that I have for a wallet issue or is it a liberty to choose my own hauler issue?”

John Currivan

John Currivan

John Currivan: “Now, if we’re going to do a poll in the future, here are some things that I think we should not do. The first thing is; don’t hire the same company to design the poll that is doing the RFP (Request For Proposal), because they then have a financial stake in the outcome. Okay, the second one is, before the questionnaire goes out, the Council members should carefully read the questions and look for bias.”

Joe Vernier: “I have a decision-making matrix that I’ve used most of my professional life and I used it when I was serving here as the Chief of Police for little over ten years. And the decision-making matrix was, look at it from the perspective of “What is best for the community as a whole,” based on all that feedback and perspectives that you get out there. So, the community, all you out there, because you are our bosses as Councilors, the community gets the first perspective. The second aspect of this decision-making matrix would be “What is best for the City” and I’m talking about the City as a corporate entity. And so that would be the next set of priorities that you would use.”

Jessica Williamson: “The single trash hauler and recycling model was a top recommendation of the Sustainability Committee and the current Council retained it as a priority to investigate. The Community Plan supports recycling and waste stream reduction as part of its environmental goals, and that was passed by the voters. The City is investigating whether or not the single trash hauler system can improve trash and recycling efficiency. I think that’s the responsible way for the council to proceed. Right now there has been no decisions made. Right now there isn’t all the information in front of us and I’m waiting to figure out what that information is.”

Gerhard Mayer: “The City relies too much on consultants from outside, who tell us what’s good for us. In the case of the single trash hauling issue, the survey was very unscientific, who picks up the phone when an unfamiliar number from a caller shows up on the screen? Cost $10,000. A mailer would have cost $2,500-$3,000 to all citizens. Would have been a more accurate way of a survey and you didn’t need to engage a consultant for that. If the majority would have approved, you could have gone in and produced an in-house RFP, not one done by consultants.”

Angela LeFevre speaking for John Martinez: “I voted to implement parking meters uptown, because it was the final stage of the Uptown Parking Advisory Committee conducted by City Staff and the major stockholders in Uptown. Yes, I understand the majority of the people in Sedona oppose this idea but I also understand that meters were an integral part of the overall solution and it was the right thing to do to alleviate traffic gridlock we have in the area. Remember, 114 additional parking spots were also part of this analysis and have been implemented.”

Next, the questions from the audience were: 1) Would you support a voter referendum on a single trash hauler? 2) Do you feel City Staff should be reduced? 3) Do you support the National Monument? The City Council candidates full responses are available by request with the transcript of the event to Editor@SedonaEye.com.

The forum continued with another three minutes for responses on the following questions, from all the candidates:

A second theme was Tourism: 1) How will you encourage “longer-term” vs. “day-tripper” or “drive-through” tourists? How will you protect our area, so attractive to live in and visit, for future generations? More currently, how about improving maintenance on our most heavily used trails? On our residential streets?

Gerhard Mayer

Gerhard Mayer

Gerhard Mayer: “Tourism, it’s our industry, our lifeline, and it will be always there till we kill the goose that laid the golden egg. People are kind of concerned about who come here and enjoy our environment. The traffic, the congestion up in the canyon. I mean many, many things, which turn people off who have the money to spend… so my take on this is that quality supersedes quantity. Resorts like the Enchantment, L’Auberge, and others will attract tourists who will spend money and more time in Sedona. I would suggest you read this from the Chamber of Commerce; their vision and how to attract more spending tourists who will stay longer.”

Jessica Williamson: “The City obviously has a major role to play in sustainable tourism through policy and funding. But this year, the City is contributing $60,000 to the Forest Service for trail maintenance. The Chamber of Commerce has embraced sustainable tourism and they’ve designated 31% of their marketing budget, or $465,000 to address tourist impacts on Sedona. They’ve contracted with the Global Sustainable Tourism Council for an audit to determine how our community can make a more balanced form of tourism industry. They also started the Sedona Trail Keepers Program where the Chamber is matching private sector sponsors to generate $250,000 for trailhead maintenance.”

Joe Vernier: “On July 28th the Arizona Republic published an article in there saying the Top 5 things not to do in Arizona, and in that Top 5, I believe it was the second or third, was “Don’t drive on a weekend to Sedona.” And it was done a little tongue and cheek, but at the same time it’s starting to be a message out there that could a threat to our economic sustainability out there, and I think we need to look at those kinds of things and do what we can to counter them.”

John Currivan: “Well, as you know we got this quarter of a million dollar traffic study going on and hopefully that will shed some light on that particular issue. But, if we want to protect this beautiful place, Sedona, we have to solve our traffic problem, and we know that traffic has its peaks and valleys, and we know that the peaks, at least I think, are getting to point of start threatening our quality of life, not all the time, but peak periods I think are getting there. And I also think the traffic during the peak periods is also getting to the point where its threatening our tourism, and that’s despite the best efforts of the Chamber of Commerce to try to work against that.”

Tom Lamkin: “Here is some suggestions I had, reach outside the driving distance so I can’t drive two hours, be here all day, and go home in two hours. Go outside at least four hours away. Most people don’t want to drive right hours in a day when they been somewhere. Show all there is to do here in Sedona and the area. Make Sedona the base for visitors to go around northern Arizona. Let them go up to Antelope Canyon, go to the Grand Canyon, let them go to the other places but also do things in Sedona.”

Angela LeFevre speaking for John Martinez: “I support the team effort of the Sedona Chamber of Commerce and the Sedona Lodging Council to increase advertising to the Tucson and Southern California regions while reducing the amount to the Phoenix area. This strategy hopes to increase the number of days that visitors stay in our beautiful city. The Sedona Chamber of Commerce is also implementing new technology, such as digital social media to try to reach affluent individuals, that will stay longer, and spend more at our various locations, including restaurants, galleries, and store fronts.”

Following the Tourism-related answers were three additional questions which focused on 1) Traffic, 2) the Franchise agreement for APS and UNS Gas, and 3) Millennials. The candidates were given roughly thirty seconds to formulate a response for each question.

Moderator: Four of the questions relate in one way or another to traffic, we’ve already talked a bit about it, but let me just throw in a couple of possibilities and see if you have any further remarks about it. One question makes reference to public transportation, another question talks about particularly the Uptown and Schnebly roundabouts, another talks about traffic safety problems on 89A from Dry Creek Road to Airport Road, and the fourth talks about the future – what 20-30 year from now, if the area should grow what are we going to do to alleviate the growing traffic problem?

Jessica Williamson

Jessica Williamson

Tom Lamkin: “I’ve read this study recently that was done by ADOT that it was conducted in April this year and there are a lot factors and things that they are planning that may affect us down the road, so we are going to need to get a collaborative effort going.”

John Currivan: “Let me just simply say, those of you who have been around a while, you know what traffic was like 10 years ago, you know what it was like 5 years ago, and you know what it’s like today. Just project that if the current trend continues what’s it gonna be like in 5 to 10 yrs. We have to fix it.”

Joe Vernier: “I already let my feelings know that I am in favor of some form of transit to help out with that on 89A. Safety improvements, I was very involved with that, while I served as Police Chief and there’s still other steps or measures that we can take to improve safety on 89A that are part of the past meetings that we had and the rest of it I will just wait until I get to the table.”

Jessica Williamson: “I think it’s important for us to deal with issues we have and for anybody out there that thinks traffic problems are going to be solved, I want you to think of any place you’ve ever lived where traffic problems have been solved. They can be managed.”

Gerhard Mayer: “Management is great, $260,000 better produce some management skills or management solution. I hope so, because $260,000 could have been spent for something else. I have, eight years ago, made several suggestions about traffic reductions, and we do have problems. One is the tourism on 179 and the other one is during rush hour from 6 till 8 o’clock in the morning and then again from 9 till 10 from the commuters coming in from Cottonwood who work here.”

Moderator: The next question, there are a variety here, but someone refers to the Franchise Agreement Renewal – what benefit is there to the city, what happens if the initiative fails. I did open my early voting ballot and there are two questions here on referring to the franchises with Arizona Public Service company and UNS Gas. What’s your opinion on voting Yes or No on these, and the significance of either vote?

Joe Vernier

Joe Vernier

Gerhard Mayer: “What choice do I have, there’s no choice, APS and Citizen’s Utilities, those are the providers for utilities, so I’m for it.”

Jessica Williamson: “They’re gonna be here whether we get a franchise fee or not.”

Joe Vernier: “Pretty much I’ll go with what Jessica said, because it’s really up the voters to decide whether they want the fee or no, APS they won’t leave town, irrespectable what happens on this vote.”

John Currivan: “I agree.”

Tom Lamkin: “I would say that I’m in favor of the franchise vote because it’s gonna enable APS to work more effectively around town when it has to address certain issues and the right of ways and that’s gonna impact you all, if they have to come in and get an exception every time its necessary to go through it, it’s gonna delay things and impact your availability of electricity. Thank you.”

Moderator: Millennials make up a large silent majority of the working class here in Sedona, what will you do to include them in every decision made? How will you engage Millennials in community affairs? We don’t have a heck of a lot in this room, but there are a lot out there. We have two in this room. How can we get more of them involved? Any thoughts on that? Any plans you might have for engaging people outside and not actively involved in civic affairs.

Tom Lamkin: “I think we need more of the Millennial and the younger generation to come in and be represented and I’d love to see them become more active. I think social media is a real impact there, and we need to engage them in that area. They go out and volunteer and but they look and say “what can I do right now.” They get on their phone and say “oh, this is available for a two hour spot,” and they go and do that on an amazing basis, but they are reactors rather than doing a lot of proactive planning and I’d like to see them work with us, to come and join the committees to give input on how we can best engage.”

John Currivan: “We need more guys like Harry who really get involved and set a great example how Millennials can get involved and can encourage people of his own generation. Doesn’t mean that Millennials need to be over represented, I’m not saying we are going to give them special rights of any kinds. I’m just saying that we need to find out if they are being under represented, and why is that? Why would they feel that they are not welcome? We need to reach out to them, make them feel welcome, and somebody like Harry is the right guy to do it.”

Joe Vernier: “I think one of the things we have to look at for the future of Millennials is that eventually they are coming up and they are going to be a part of this community, and we need to find ways through our economic development and our economic programs to keep them here. And I want to give you a quick example; Albert Einstein did the theory of relativity when he was about 27 or 28 years old, to show you how much a Millennial’s mind can contribute to our world as a whole. So, from that standpoint, I’d really like to work to encourage, in some ways, to keep our Millennials here and make them a larger part of our community.”

Jessica Williamson: “Engaging Millennials is not a Sedona problem alone. Look at this, look at the room. When Millennials look at the Council who do they see, they see us. I guess, I think if Millennials want something and believe that something should be done they should come forward. I don’t think we’re gonna be successful recruiting them. I don’t think we can give them things that will bring them in. I think Social media is a great way to start and I also think that as we progress.”

Gerhard Mayer: “I have a Millennium at home, who actually is in Flagstaff, a student at NAU. You know he told me, he went to high school here at Red Rock High, and it was not a good experience in regards to the academics, and I think we need to talk about to improve our school system here and what it could take to get some younger people here, because their kids might not like it and not get the education they need to move to a higher place or to a different college. So I don’t think there’s a draw for Millenniums to come here and work here because there’s nothing to do.”

This SedonaEye.com article written by Harry Danilevics.

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31 Comments

  1. N. Baer says:

    The “will” of Sedona Smart Meter Awareness’ and the 30-40% of residents and those supportive businesses who also refused smart meters within city limits is that we continue to enjoy our abodes and businesses without the intrusion, harm, danger of wireless causing unforeseen financial burdens in terms of paying for medical treatment, security, or falling property values, etc. caused by our exposure to microwave radiation produced by smart meters, cell towers, etc. Our city government needs to be aware and act accordingly based on the National Toxicology Program’s recent study showing exposure to these frequencies may result in causing Cancer, among other things. http://ehtrust.org/science/facts-national-toxicology-program-cellphone-rat-cancer-study/

  2. GNS, Sedona says:

    WOW! Even in a small town like Sedona politicians are the same. Notice how they use a bunch of words but actually say NOTHING or really commit to ANYTHING? And the garbage (no pun intended) from Lamkin about saving 20% on our garbage bills is completely unwarranted because they do not know that as a fact. And he, along with others, claim they need those gosh darn facts in order to make good decisions? Great example of the crap being tossed out. It doesn’t even have time to be recycled from one election to the next.

    Time for Sedona to return to being unincorporated and get rid of big city politics, political correctness, bloated city staff, and rip-off of the residents. They can spend a million or so on the vacant property next to city hall but can’t afford to operate a genuine Sedona Visitors Center that only represents regional members of the Chamber of Commerce? And they wonder why only 2,000 vote? Attend a city council meeting and try to disagree with the agenda of the moment and you will soon find out it’s a waste of time.

  3. @GNS Sedona says:

    Oh come on Cake Lady. Give it a rest. Instead of spouting the same old same old how about finding a new place for me to buy my baked goods. I guess no one wants to put up with your strong willed antics.

  4. John Daniels says:

    Thank you Harry Danilevics for posting your report of the event.

    I understand that you wanted to run for one of those open seats but chose not to. I would like to know how people on SE think you would match up with those fine candidates?

    While a lot can be said for or against each of them they all have impressive credentials. Harry what credentials would you bring to the table had you run?

    Each of the candidates have great education backgrounds, your writings seem very polished so it’s obvious that you too are well educated other then attending a nice prep school can you tell us what college you graduated from?

  5. Skyler Kay, Florida born says:

    @johndaniels It’s well written because Danileveics let the candidates speak and didn’t editorialize. You know, the honest way to report what people are saying? Sorry, you didn’t know? My mistake. You must represent the old guard & old news.

    So you ask & say what? What for? Why? Williamson didn’t graduate from college & Jablow didn’t, and who else? Step up folks – that inquiring mind @johndaniels wants to know. Stupid comment. Obviously you aren’t well educated or your comment would have been interesting. I’m betting that you live under a rock & are old news…red rock news style? Millennials step up. We’re under attack again by old farts.

  6. John Daniels says:

    @Skyler Kay

    Oh so hurtful I guess I’ll be crying myself to sleep. I’m sorry I guess Harry needs his girlfriend to answer for him instead of answering for himself. He’s been asked similar questions in the past on other postings on SE and I guess he’s been to busy letting you defend him.

    Well Ms Skyler, you really know how to give Millennials a bad name, I guess YOU don’t bother to know what they’re talking about before spouting off.

    All you would have had to do was go to the city of sedona web site to know that Williamson “attended the University of California at Santa Barbara and graduated with a B.A. in Sociology” and Jablow “holds a degree in criminal justice” and every other candidate has also graduated from formal education and accomplished something with their lives.

    As for me being “well educated” well I knew where to look to find stuff out before opening my mouth or in your case, a keyboard.

    I don’t live under a rock and while I could be considered a “millennial” myself I don’t like or need to be labeled. I can tell you this, I am educated with a degree in education and actually work for a living helping the developmentally challenged learn how to be self sufficient.

  7. jordan kalms says:

    you look good!

  8. Eddie Maddock says:

    About the question of a voter Referendum. How would that work since the council has yet to vote on whether or not the city intends to take control of garbage pick-up? Doesn’t a Referendum serve the purpose of challenging a decision already made by a city council or governing body? An example would be the city taking ownership of West 89A, a state highway. It was after the council approved that when a Referendum movement was put in motion to overturn it. And along with that was also an Initiative which I as I recall was approved as a measure to prevent the issue from ever returning to the council agenda again. Would it, perhaps, be a “ballot measure” that might be a consideration for the voters prior to city council taking action? Clarification on this will be appreciated.

    Thank you,
    Eddie Maddock

  9. Susan P says:

    Wowzers They say nothing. I do agree we should incorporate also. The city operates as a regional district anyway with the in-city residents and businesses paying while the region of outsiders get the benefits!

  10. F. Stevenson says:

    Thanks for proof how staged and superficial forums are.

  11. GNS, Sedona says:

    Excuse me, @GNS, but are you nuts? As a retired high school basketball coach from another state, I can assure you I’m no Cake Lady – and that’s a fact. Your accusation is absurd, like it or not. OMG – Cake Lady. On the other hand that will be a good one to share with my former A-Team. They’ll get a kick out of the opportunity to rib me indefinitely.

  12. Will Maxfield says:

    Very good points!

  13. I See Though You says:

    To All Readers at The Eye,

    WOW! I can’t believe it. Almost all the diametrically opposed commenters to this article are real people who are not afraid to use their real names. Where are our most dependable cowardly trolls who would wet their pants if their real identities were disclosed? It’s so easy to be brave when you’re hiding in your own home, isn’t it?

    http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

  14. I See Through You says:

    Addendum to Last Email to All Readers at The Eye,

    From Psychology Today Magazine: “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists” by Jennifer Golbeck, PhD, Univ. of Maryland

    see article at https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

    Stated in another of Dr. Golbeck’s articles, linked to the one above, it says “We know that online trolls score high on the so-called Dark Tetrad of personality traits—narcissism, sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism. New research, which will be published in the November 2016 issue of Personality and Individual Differences, probed deeper and found more. The researchers confirmed that trolls are psychopathic and sadistic. They also made a new finding: Trolls are strongly characterized by the trait of “negative social potency.” This is a measure of a person’s cruelty and willingness to use others for their own gain. Questions asked on this survey include things like, “I enjoy embarrassing others.” In other words, it’s a measure of how terrible someone is.”

    This article pretty much confirms my analysis of WSR and Wsr. They can and will eventually become dangerous people and should be identified, one way or another, as should all the different SS handles here. Now, let’s see which of our regular hecklers/trolls responds to this and tries to find fault with it. The funny thing is, WSR and Wsr trolls (as well as all ss handles posting here), that by responding to this comment you will prove its point.

  15. @I See Through YOu says:

    “WOW! I can’t believe it. Almost all the diametrically opposed commenters to this article are real people who are not afraid to use their real names. Where are our most dependable cowardly trolls who would wet their pants if their real identities were disclosed? It’s so easy to be brave when you’re hiding in your own home, isn’t it”

    Wow, you have the nerve to say all of that while you don’t use
    your own name, REALLY????

  16. Not a Heckler or a Troll says:

    @I See Through You: What do your own rants have to do with the original article which to my recollection is about a city council forum? Wouldn’t your own time be better spent commenting about the meeting? And to keep myself honest and agreeing with another previous comment or two, it seems the responses to the questions asked were vague and non-committal from the candidates. And further, I was and remain shocked that Angela LeFevre sat in for John Martinez. Also in agreement that T. Lamkin’s comment about the savings of 20% monthly for garbage hauling is off the wall. Fortunately I already voted and he wasn’t on my docket. Neither were the other two incumbents.

  17. WSr says:

    @i see thru you

    Your delusional :
    You don’t use your real name…..DUH
    Your a moron…..take your meds

  18. Larry A says:

    I would like to know also @Eddie Maddock.

    Can someone answer this?

    Eddie Maddock says: “About the question of a voter Referendum. How would that work since the council has yet to vote on whether or not the city intends to take control of garbage pick-up? Doesn’t a Referendum serve the purpose of challenging a decision already made by a city council or governing body? An example would be the city taking ownership of West 89A, a state highway. It was after the council approved that when a Referendum movement was put in motion to overturn it. And along with that was also an Initiative which I as I recall was approved as a measure to prevent the issue from ever returning to the council agenda again. Would it, perhaps, be a “ballot measure” that might be a consideration for the voters prior to city council taking action? Clarification on this will be appreciated.”

  19. West Sedona Dave says:

    Yes Larry, you are 100% correct!!!

    Way to many uninformed/misinformed people comment here..

    Its like they need a say, but don’t understand the way things work!

  20. I See Through You says:

    WSr,

    You’re calling me a moron? You, the illiterate sicko who who couldn’t resist making a cruel remark on an article about the death of a little dog. What kind of a low-life are you?

  21. Kathy Mackey says:

    Thank you, Harry, for this information. I attended the Democrats of the Red Rocks forum yesterday and learned not only about the candidates views, but also learned about pending projects and city government challenges.

  22. WSR says:

    @i see they you

    You sound dangerous and very angry as other SE readers have pointed out..
    We suggest you stop participating (reading:commenting) on SE. It seems you are too fragile and unstable…

    “WE SEE THRU YOU”. And suggest you call that consuling number and please take your meds….

    Hope that helps

  23. Make America Great Again says:

    I read where Trump is being excoriated by MSN because he hasn’t been tweeting about Rio. What? Seems MSN loves that Hillary keeps tweeting about the Olympics except we ALL know even MSN that SHE isn’t tweeting but some low level social media assigned volunteer. Thank you Wikileaks. Gimme me and the USA a break MSN and others. It’s not that interesting except if you are retired and no life. Got to say it as it is. Here’s a Trump like.

  24. Miranda Mollo - request for transcript says:

    Subject: request for transcript
    From: Miranda Marie
    Date: Sun, August 21, 2016 10:05 am
    To: Editor@sedonaeye.com

    Thank you in advance!

    Next, the questions from the audience were: 1) Would you support a voter referendum on a single trash hauler? 2) Do you feel City Staff should be reduced? 3) Do you support the National Monument? The City Council candidates full responses are available by request with the transcript of the event.

    Sincerely,
    Miranda Mollo
    Resident, VOC

  25. J. Rick Normand says:

    @WSR,Wsr, steve Segner,

    No readers here have pointed out that *I See Through You* is dangerous. They have, repeatedly, pointed out that YOU ARE. And, she’s so clearly infinitely more intelligent than any of you three are. It’s amazing how well she plays games with you simpletons such as her current *Thought Proctologist* way of gigging you clowns. Meanwhile, here’s your (WSR, Wsr, and sS) mantra which every reader here has already recognized while seeing you as emotionally challenged:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
    — Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Party Minister of Truth

    The big lie theory or commonly known as Goebbels’ principle states that if one wrong is reverberated many a times then people will accept that wrong as right. Joseph Goebbels believed that “the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”.

    So, Hitler’s propagandist has explained your (WSR, Wsr, and sS) obsession with the Tea Party. You three couldn’t fool one of our red rocks.

    JRN

  26. Sedona Keith says:

    Politics is a big greedy cesspool !! Vote Libertarian.

  27. Wsr says:

    @litty Ricky

    Rick the only one impressed with your pontificating is you and the women who has 6 personalities….. Nothing to be proud of moron

  28. J. Rick Normand says:

    @Wsr

    You’re not intelligent enough to pontificate about anything much less impress anyone Wsr. Your last hope of impressing anyone seems to have faded away after the Thought Proctologist gave you a massive cerebral enema. Let’s face it, everyone is superior to you which explains your envy problem.

    JRN

  29. Only One Answer says:

    As J. Rick quoted:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
    — Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Party Minister of Truth

    The State of Arizona MUST use all of its sources to repress Sedona’s arrogance of power and abuse of authority, including misappropriation of public revenue. That includes cutting off funding until this nonsense is stopped once and for all.

  30. Wsr says:

    @ JRN

    Wow Rick such a SHORT and unintelligent reply
    You usally pompously pontificate about nothing and everything…

    I must be giving you some food for thought..

    Your welcome

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