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Eddie Maddock: Massive Sedona 700 Mobile Home and RV Site Rezoning Near Approval

Eddie Maddock focuses her Eye on Sedona to the plunder and destruction of El Rojo Grande Ranch in the profit versus preservation of Sedona’s ancient Indian artifacts and red rocks, irreplaceable bird and animal habitat, and possible sewage contamination of the Red Wall Limestone aquifer that supplies water to Sedona, Page Springs and surrounding communities when bulldozers arrive to clear pristine pre-settler land for 700 mobile homes and RV sites at the western gateway.

Sedona AZ (November 9, 2018)Finally the election is OVER – DONE – KAPUT – FINIS! Some are rejoicing over the outcome, others are shedding tears, but if the truth were known, is anyone NOT celebrating the conclusion of this every two year event?

That being said, what’s next on the agenda?

Well, most assuredly a hot topic is reaching a boiling point regarding a pending change of zoning for El Rojo Grande Ranch to accommodate a massive 700 unit development at the outskirts west of Sedona City limits.

It’s best described in the following letter from Karen Reid Offield:

Dear Everyone,

Many of you have driven by the beautiful El Rojo Grande Ranch at the western gateway to Sedona yet you never have visited the Ranch. To you, and all our friends, this letter and website is for you!

This website www.elrojograndesedona.com was specifically created to help save this remarkable, but forgotten gem of Sedona. As a citizen of Arizona, or a visitor on the World Wide Web, you can save it. You can ensure the ranch is preserved as a part of the future of Sedona. Yavapai County will listen to the public comments. Please write a letter. (Note instructions at end of article.)

The buyer – a multi-billion-dollar based Chicago Corporation, Equity Lifestyles (ELS) and the owner of the Sedona Shadows mobile home park is asking Yavapai County to change the zoning of the ranch to allow them to build a huge 688-unit mobile home park (628 manufactured homes/apartments and a 60 RV Park) right next to the Dry Creek Scenic Road at the western gateway to Sedona.

This website will take you on a tour of the Ranch, to see for yourself why it is so important for the Sedona Community to rally around the Ranch, as environmental stewards, and to block a zoning change that will allow the developer to bulldoze its ancient landscape, evict and destroy its rich wildlife and Indian artifacts, and leave it as a scarred example of the type of development that values profit over the preservation and conservation of the treasure that is El Rojo Grande Ranch.

We are urgently asking for your immediate help to rally community support to block this PAD re-zoning, which will replace this priceless scenic wonder with a massive ocean of roofs.

The fragile lands of El Rojo Grande Ranch will be forever harmed by pumping the water from beneath its riparian habitats to the development, and by dumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of effluent back into its creek bed each day, or by injecting that effluent into its underground aquifer. In addition to that tragedy, ELS will dispose huge amounts of surface runoff from their asphalt pavement into the riparian habitats.

The wildlife and bird riparian habitats on El Rojo Grande Ranch will be drained and parched by the massive water pumping station proposed by ELS to supply its mobile home park. ELS has yet to propose a method for disposal of all that waste, which would contaminate the Red Wall Limestone aquifer that supplies water to Page Springs and its surrounding communities.

Thanks to its past owners, most of the Ranch’s 173 acres are in the same pristine condition that early settlers in the Sedona area found it. It is still covered with ancient juniper trees, some of which are 200 years old – trees that were growing before the white man ever came into the Sedona area. It is truly a “step back in time”. Sadly, the beauty of the Ranch has been largely forgotten by those in the surrounding community.

We invite you into this website www.elrojogradesedona.com to enjoy the photographs of its marvelous park, its wedding sites, its community gathering spots, and its equestrian facilities which was built on the 173 acres for the public to enjoy by riding on its beautiful acreage, and onto the beautiful Forest Service land that surrounds it.

We invite you to read about the hundreds of species of birds, amphibians, reptiles, mammals, and plants that call its red rock and riparian habitat their home. In doing so, you will learn about the watershed, and the great riparian corridor in Northern Arizona which is currently under great stress, and in danger of being lost by the animals and plants who live here.

To save the Ranch we must first make people in the Sedona area and all neighboring communities and our global friends aware of its existence, its beauty, and its potential contribution to Sedona, as a marvelous blessing for future of our residents and visitors to Sedona and the Northern Arizona region where Old West Dreams live on.

El Rojo Grande Ranch was built to be a horse and cattle ranch. It was, nearly 26 years ago, built to be a working ranch surrounded on three sides by United States Forest Service lands – spectacular and welcoming to visitors from around the world.

Please protect the land, and not allow an inappropriate development to proceed.

Please write a letter to Yavapai County, and say “Please do not change the zoning and allow this ugly and unfortunate development to proceed.”

Please do not allow El Rojo Grande Ranch to become a symbol of what unrestrained development can do in our internationally known center of natural beauty. By allowing this microcosm of Sedona to be bulldozed and turned into a sprawling ocean of mobile homes, we will be showing the entire world that our values of conservation and sustainability are only words – devoid of actions.

The sellers have said themselves that this Ranch is magical! The International Sotheby’s has described this Ranch as pristine and magical! Let’s not let its magic be destroyed by bulldozers, and replaced by a sea of mobile home roofs. Please make this happen, and support – NO CHANGE IN ZONING!

Write a letter today! Randy Garrison, Yavapai County Supervisor, is in change again of these proceedings along with the county commissioners and staff.

Here is mine which you are welcome to cut and paste – click on this link. All letters are due by December 11, 2018.

Thank you!
Karin Reid Offield

 

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158 Comments

  1. @not an original thought says:

    Intelligent readers!?
    LOL
    To bad you only use “your intellect” for an endless barrage of mindless misinformation that goes round and round and round but goes nowhere.

    Your only accomplishment is that you fluff up your ego but change ZERO. You nonsense only contributes to more hate and less harmony.. You go away dear and go get a job and join those workers who you despise …

  2. @Anonymous says:

    “OK – Please give me the reasons why Yavapai will change the zoning. Lets make a list!”

    Only one reason necessary. Because the owner of the land has put in a request for the change in order to make more money.

    Any more questions?

  3. Residents Last says:

    @not an original thought says :

    Know your place peasant. Stop trying to make waves.

    “Intelligent readers!?
    LOL
    To bad you only use “your intellect” for an endless barrage of mindless misinformation that goes round and round and round but goes nowhere.”

    She is basically saying, even if you know what is happening, we have the power.

    Just gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, doesn’t it. Home Rule for the next four years, bend over comrade.

  4. ERG says:

    The man that told the story about seeing Sedona in the rear view mirror said it best….

    I paraphrased his letter a bit, but after discussions with a lot of people over the last few days, this Rojo Grande development will open the door to all of the developers that want to cash in on the Sedona name. I predict that if you do not write a letter before December 11th, you will regret it.

    A letter received from the Matt Sachs Family.11.12.2018

    “I visited Sedona with my family in late August and what we remember is the approach was built by excitement of trees and wide open land spaces after coming up the freeway from Phoenix airport and sitting in traffic after exiting. If it had been rows of commercial buildings and hotels and restaurants and mass residential developments of cheap housing, we wouldn’t have persevered and kept going.

    We talked about turning around twice, once very seriously but then we saw the big Dome Rock. When we left (our timeshare was in the villages) we had the beautiful Bell Rock in our rearview mirror beckoning us back. You change that, you change what people like us remember.

    I’m writing a letter to keep those trailers out of Sedona. You have a nice mix of all incomes in west Sedona and don’t need a thousand more low income. Quality is more important than quantity!”

    Please go to http://www.elrojograndesedona.com and help, thanks!

  5. Rocky Herr says:

    Don’t develop!

  6. LKA says:

    Tell them NO Write letters now

  7. Alexis Richter, Canadian visitor says:

    Visiting friends in Sedona shadows and they have shared that the landlord owner of Sedona Shadows plans to close the Sedona shadows and offer relocation at park renters costs to new requested rezoned 600 plus sites so they can put up huge commercial Tanger Outlet Mall on Sedona shadows property. Please tell us if this is true? The five of us want to know. Thank you.

  8. Nadine Workman says:

    Write write write

  9. Joe Lee says:

    Wow – that would be GREAT if we had another shopping mall West of Sedona. Another place to spend money and avoid Sedona City tax-rip-off! Sure do hope that rumor turns out to be factual!!! – YES:-)

  10. ERG says:

    Happy Thanksgiving week to all! We now have learned through several sources that any cut and paste letters will be discarded. SO IF YOU TOOK OUR “CUT & PASTE” LETTER from the website http://www.elrojograndesedona.com – You will need to REWRITE a personal letter, please and get it to Yavapai County BEFORE December 11th.

    Here’s the info :Please tell Yavapai County you are opposed to a change of zoning.  Emails should be addressed to: tammy.dewitt@yavapai.us with the Subject line:  Regarding El Rojo Grande Ranch and include YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS in the email.  

    Send Letters to:  Attn: Planning Dept – Tammy Dewitt
    Re: El Rojo Grande Ranch Yavapai County Development Services, 10 South 6th St. Cottonwood, AZ 86326

    As to the above letter via Alexis Richter: can you email this info you learned to elrojogranderanchinsedona@gmail.com. Thanks!

  11. Change for the worse says:

    Watching this thread. Interested to learn IF the county will vote against rezoning. The trend seems to be allowing commercial development even if the red rock appeal is harmed. The VOC is changing and not for the good of the residents. Anything that brings in tourists who spend money on overpriced hotels and restaurants seems to get easy approval. We have a residential lot up for refining to commercial. Not hopeful that any amount of protest will stop it. Airbnb is promoted by business and kills neighborhoods. Tourism geared toward nature and sustainability does not seem to be the goal. Maintaining residential neighborhoods seems to be a bad thing. Add to this thread the impact on property values, please. I want to sell and move out before my house value plummets.

  12. Peter, Sedona says:

    For the Steve Segners and Sedona council, staff and chamber types. Mostly for the friends I share because we love Sedona. Write a letter as eloquently or as simply as you like. Have a happy Thanksgiving day.

    http://elrojograndesedona.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/ERG-Douglas-Fredrikson.doc

  13. Ya Gotta Luv it! says:

    Red Rock News, results of opinion poll 11/14:

    “Where should affordable housing be built”

    16% On undeveloped private property along SR 89A
    21% At the Dells, across from wastewater treatment plant
    26% At city-owned parcels near Posse Grounds Park
    37% In the village of Oak Creek, Cornville or Cottonwood

    Better get those letters written to Yavapai County or you’re very likely to see those “affordables” become a sizable portion of those proposed 700 units if it assists the developers in obtaining approval for their project.

  14. Paul says:

    RRN runs housing poll for counties & city to use to justify their money laundering? I live and work in city & can’t be the only one seeing the racist poll numbers. Address your newspaper’s and city racism. You proved it with your jingle asses blowing wind wanting to put Mexicans & poor out of city limits in the (deleted by editor) dump area or concentrated in the ESOL school.
    Would say a lot more but can’t and not eat antacids. (no last name I live here)

  15. steve segner says:

    I like, 26% At city-owned parcels near Posse Grounds Park .
    The city will not be building “affordables” housing, but it can work with builders and perhaps pick up some of the “fees: we just need to make sure what ever is build stays affordable with out a city dept to over see it

  16. Spence and Evelyn says:

    Mr Segner there is no way housing will be maintained as “affordable” unless, perhaps, it’s government owned and regulated. Translated: a Federal program and not local.

    Nepenthe was only one of such previous endeavors in Sedona and it ended up not serving to provide what it is you are seeking. And now with the legalization of vacation rentals, many other rental accommodations have likewise been converted.

    It might serve you well to read the following words, crafted and spoken by a man far superior to you in every way.

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

  17. steve Segner says:

    ” Winston Churchill
    your kind of guy In the course of preparing myself . . . I realized afresh that I hate Churchill and all of his kind. I hate them virulently. They have stalked down the corridors of endless power all through history. . . . What man of sanity would say on hearing of the atrocities committed by the Japanese against British and Anzac prisoners of war, “We shall wipe them out, every one of them, men, women, and children. There shall not be a Japanese left on the face of the earth”? Such simple-minded cravings for revenge leave me with a horrified but reluctant awe for such single-minded and merciless ferocity.
    he seems like you kind of guy

    Winston Churchill thanks he was not a “good” man , I will be a Liberal thanks people need help, we should help

  18. More equal that others says:

    Mao of china lived in the emperors palace and rode in a limousine.

    Stalin of Russia lived in a palace, a home in the country and a private yacht.

    Castro had 3 beachfront mansions in Cuba.

    Segner has 3 homes including one on Oak Creek in the Canyon.

    Notice any similarities? They all preach for low income housing while living like kings.

    If Segner had any virtue he would make his creek house in the canyon a low income workers dormitory.

    Well Steve?

  19. Ex Sedona Resident says:

    Guess who’s coming to town?
    The largest mobile home park owner in the US
    Why its Sam Zell. Sam loves those monthly rent checks from mobile
    home park lots.

    Here’s a bit on Sam… who may soon be called Sedona Sam as his organization
    prepares to (deleted by editor) El Rojo Grande.

    from Wiki

    Samuel Zell
    Born Shmuel Zielonka
    Chicago, Illinois, US
    Education
    B.A. University of Michigan
    J.D. University of Michigan Law School
    Occupation Chairman of Equity Group Investments
    Net worth US$5.0 billion (January 2018)[1]
    Spouse(s) Helen Herzog Fadim Zell
    Children 3
    Website egizell.com
    Samuel Zell (born Shmuel Zielonka) is an American billionaire businessman, with investments in commercial real estate, energy, manufacturing, logistics/transportation, healthcare, and communications.

    Zell is the founder and chairman of Equity International, a private investment firm focused on building real estate-related businesses in emerging markets. In addition, Zell maintains substantial interests in, and is the Chairman of, several public companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, including: Equity Residential (EQR), the largest apartment real estate investment trust (or REIT) in the U.S.; Equity LifeStyle Properties (ELS), a REIT that owns and operates manufactured home and resort communities; Equity Commonwealth (EQC) an office REIT; Covanta Holding Corp. (CVA), an owner/operator of energy-from-waste and power generation facilities; and Anixter (AXE), a global provider of communications, security, and wire and cable products. He is chairman of Equity Group Investments (EGI), the private investment firm he founded in 1969.

    Early life and education[edit]
    Zell was born in Chicago to a Jewish family, the son of Ruchla and Berek Zielonka. His parents were Jewish immigrants from Poland, where his father had been a successful grain trader.[2][3] They emigrated to the United States with their young daughter, Leah, via Tokyo just before the German invasion of Poland of 1939.[4][2][5] Soon after arriving, his parents changed their first and last names, becoming Rochelle and Bernard Zell.[2][6] They then moved from Seattle to the Albany Park neighborhood in Chicago where his father became a jewelry wholesaler.[2] When he was twelve, the family moved to Highland Park, Illinois where he graduated from Highland Park High School.[2] In 1963, Sam graduated with a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Michigan, where he was also a member of the Alpha Epsilon Pi fraternity.[2] While in school, Zell managed a 15 unit apartment building in return for free room-and-board and was soon managing the owner’s other properties.[2] Joined by his fraternity brother Robert H. Lurie, he won a contract with a large apartment development owner in Ann Arbor who was impressed with Zell’s knowledge of what students wanted. By the time he graduated with a J.D. from the University of Michigan Law School in 1966,[7] he and Lurie were managing over 4,000 apartments and owned 100-200 units outright.[8] After school, he sold his interest in the management company to Lurie and moved to Chicago.[2][9]

  20. tom Howell says:

    Spence and Evelynsaid
    Socialism“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
    You live with Socialism every day,
    What are some examples of socialism in the United States?

    Have you ever googled yourself? Do a “deep search” instead.
    This new site reveals so much more. Enter a name and state to begin.

    Examples include:

    public K-12 education, which functions alongside charter schools and private K-12s;
    public libraries, which function very well in an age of bookstores;
    public police forces, which work alongside private detectives and private security firms;
    public infrastructure like roads, bridges, water and sewer systems, making modern life as comfort-driven as it is today;
    public parks, with green spaces and recreation space for all
    municipal power is in many towns, akin to the TVA. My old hometown had a company run by the town, with rates about 2/3 what you’d expect from the nearby private power companies in neighboring cities and towns–also lower downtime and better service, despite more inclement weather; and
    Social Security, which is socialism for seniors. Who can still work for extra money if they must, but won’t be totally destitute if they don’t. Medicare helps seniors as well.
    Socialism at its best is the community supporting community members when they need it, in the ways that they need it. Lots of people who demonize socialism point at its worst examples but ignore its successes, including its realized potential in mixed economies that use a lot of democratic socialism.

    Capitalism has its good points, but helping the needy has never been one of them.

  21. Gretchen says:

    I love it……someone knows how to do a google search for various people then cut and paste…. wow how smart

    Now if only you used your real name we could google you…
    Most likely wealthy and doesn’t like to pay taxes and loves to complain and make stuff up.. sound familiar

  22. Carol @tom Howell says:

    You asked “What are some examples of socialism in the United States?” Well, according to a chap by the name of Steve Segner, one example would be Sedona, Arizona. He’s gone on record here on SedonaEye on numerous occasions making that statement and by all evidence presented and decisions made at government level he’s correct. Any more questions?

  23. ERG says:

    New information on the website – the White Paper on ELS/ Sam Zell scares a lot of people. These facts are taken from the ELS public info – worth a read. If asked who you want your neighbor to be – what are you going to say? Get informed, be informed. http://elrojograndesedona.com/facts/

    The meeting on December 20th need attendance. Please share and letters are due PRIOR to December 11th. Thank you

  24. Socialism Express says:

    Nazi Germany was socialists= “National Socialism”
    Nazism

    National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany,

    ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

    SEDONA CHAMBER is Sedona’s commi party. IMO if you watch the old movies of Hilter’s speeches, Jennifer’s & Steve’s are no different and City manager is the same.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    They are dangling the $ in-front of council. Please watch, videos have subtitles . Exact similarities just change out (Deleted by Editor) for residents. Residents are second class. Council,city employees, lodging, newspaper, chamber are the elitists. they use the same codes, supporting each other in the personal quest for $$$$$.

    More government = Socialism Express putting the government in charge of your every move.

  25. Grouchen says:

    So, what’s you full Real name Gretchen, and where do you work, where do you live?

    My guess is xqzy@7z, city management, Chino Valley, and you don’t do anything productive, you just go to meetings and figure out ways to tax and fee residents until they get fed up and leave.

    You’ve never contributed anything positive to the planet in your whole life. Sad, very sad. Karma is coming, there is still time to do the right thing.

  26. Gretchen says:

    Don’t argue with me, you just like to complain. When I complain I am stating a fact, that you have no power and should should stop annoying those more powerful than you. You are just a stupid tax slave. You work for us. Get it? Now shut up and pay.

  27. Corinne Tull says:

    Stop griping and put your computers to good use and write a letter to the Yavapai County supervisors. It’s worth your effort, isn’t it?

  28. Also Gretchen says:

    The truth is because of the liaison the City of Sedona has with the regional Chamber of Commerce we are functioning under the umbrella of socialism. The odd thing here though is that the Chamber of Commerce is IN CONTROL. This is wrong. They have dues paying members and are incorporated under the flag of being nonprofit although they have never been audited and no one knows for certain how city revenue is being spent. Nice legacy, huh? Move to Sedona. Support Socialism would be an authentic slogan.

  29. Steve Segner says:

    TAlso Gretchen says” they have dues paying members and are incorporated under the flag of being nonprofit although they have never been audited and no one knows for certain how city revenue is being spent.”

    Gretchen, all you need to do is ask for the Chamber of Commerce for a copy of the audit and you can ask the city for the marketing plan ,and you can go to the city council meeting when the chamber presents each year and say you are un happy to the council….

  30. @also Gretchen says:

    Snooze…
    That’s about the thousandth time you say the same thing…except you use different names..snooze

  31. ERG says:

    Please go to the website http://www.elrojograndesedona.com to learn about the 179 acres of lands being considered by Yavapai County for rezoning. Letters to support and allow the development or to oppose the zoning change need to be received by Yavapai County December 11th. Emails should be addressed to tammy.dewitt@yavapai.us with the Subject line: Regarding El Rojo Grande Ranch and include YOUR NAME and YOUR ADDRESS in the email.

    There are three additional departments in Arizona that need to hear specifically from the citizens regarding this project – ADOT for Traffic; Water and Sewer Departments. Please send your letters out in triplicate.

    ADOT c/o Please send your email through the public relations office email address: mkirby@azdot.gov

    Dept. of Water Resource : communications@azwater.gov
    or Assured and Adequate Water Supply Staff Manager David McKay dmckay@azwater.gov

    David Dunaway
    Groundwater Protection and Water Reuse Value Streams Manager
    Water Quality Division
    Arizona Department of Environmental Quality
    1110 W. Washington Street
    Phoenix, Arizona 85007

    (602) 771-6176
    dwd@azdeq.gov

    Finally, a statement that needs to be clarified is that we learned that the County does not take into account: Water, Sewer, and Traffic. ” That is mostly true, although they are part of the discussion and of great interest to our communities. The State is in charge of Water, and therefore under the purview of Arizona Department of Water Resources. The Department of Transportation is in charge of traffic in this case since the roads within this proposed development are private and the primary road that accesses this development belongs to the State of Arizona, Highway 89A. And finally Sewer is under the control of Arizona Department of Environmental Quality. As long as those entities are satisfied with the programs or infrastructure being proposed by the developer than the County will not rely on those issues to either accept or deny an application.”

    Please do write your letters of concern!

  32. Tony Tonsich says:

    @Steve Segner

    Let me call Bull to your statement ” all you need to do is ask …..and you can go to the city council meeting when the chamber presents each year and say you are un happy to the council….”

    You can go to the council, and even if you are given the chance to speak, YOU WILL BE IGNORED. I got 1000 votes, even after the Red Rock Fake news Soy Boy wrote a slanderous editorial to vote for anyone but me. That’s 1000 voters that wanted change and my platform to stop city funding to the Sedona Chamber. The bed taxes could and should be used to pay for tourist impacts, not bring more tourists.

    Even after mayor Sandy said in the mayoral debate “Everyone knows where Sedona is, you could stop advertising and people would still come.”

    No one goes to the meetings because if you are not the chamber YOU WILL BE IGNORED.

    If you want change, may I suggest you do as Democratic Rep Maxine Waters from CA says “Push back” make the council and chamber unwelcome. If they want to ruin our town, you should let them know that you will use the tactics of he democratic party to make your feelings known.

    Enjoy your bumper to bumper traffic brought to you by the Sedona City council and Sedona Chamber of commerce.

    Your lies are so old Steve, and those who can spell that use his name, snooze, yawn.

    PUSH BACK !!!!!

  33. Ginger says:

    WTF it’s pretty funny for anyone to suggest going before city council unless they’re part of the silk stocking and diamond stick pin group (Chamber & Lodging members). All one need do is look at the faces of the council when outsiders (Sedona residents) attempt to make a point. The rolling of eyes in boredom is really quite apparent.

    For the chamber to put baseless & dishonest fear into legitimate nonprofits and encourage those in control of things like Sedona Recycles and Sedona Humane Society to put comments supporting Home Rule in the Voter Registration info pamphlet was sooo over the top it was sickening. OK Chamber, you made your point. Home Rule and your suck up council members were elected.

    My contributions to Sedona nonprofits will now go elsewhere!!! Apparently they no longer need local support. They’re being fattened up by Sedona revenue!! What’s even more amazing is the city council would have the audacity to take a position on a development outside their jurisdiction. More hogwash BS from the holier than thou puppets of the so called Sedona chamber of commerce. May the Sedona bird of paradise s*** on all of you as you have it and us.

  34. Thank you Tony says:

    Thank you Tony. We appreciate you greatly, I am so bored with segner lies I never read his posts. (deleted by editor)

    Thank you Tony!

  35. @tony T says:

    How redundant …
    Yawn Tony…that post was about exciting as you campaign…
    That feel on deaf ears also..

    Didn’t you move out of town? Go “fix” you new town (deleted by editor) ..

    Thanks..see ya

  36. Kevin Rhine says:

    Candidates running for city councils should be appreciated. It’s how a democracy works. When it doesn’t work we have the Sedona city council.

  37. Roxanne Johnson says:

    Tony T:

    I don’t know why you’re bothering with Sedona any longer, you don’t live here.

    You can put the blame for your loss on everyone you want but, plain and simple, didn’t get my vote because you are an arrogant individual. You were too narrow-minded and while it may have seemed like a smart idea to just support residents there are many issues that you just kicked aside like being concerned about store owners like me and hotel owners as well. You also were blatantly not interested in speaking the truth time after time after time.

  38. @tony, who failed math says:

    “I got 1000 votes…” That’s a lie. 565 votes in Yavapai + 320 votes in Coconino = 885 total votes. (deleted by editor)

  39. @kevin Rhine says:

    Democracy does work and is appreciated.

    Just because “your side” didn’t win don’t bash the people that did. Face the facts…
    You a small minority and no amount of “crying” is gonna change that.

  40. Cindy Johnson says:

    @Tony T

    You said one thousand people voted you.
    Well Mr Tonsich(I use that term loosely) in a city of 10 thousand that isn’t much to brag about…10 percent is not considered a win.

    But you always love to spin hard facts and figures as if your a guy who knows what he’s talking about … You won’t be missed (deleted by editor).

  41. Michael Stevens - Uptown says:

    Tony Tonsich:

    Your post from Nov 27 was the prime example of why I (and all of my neighbors)didn’t vote for you.

    “I got 1000 votes, even after the Red Rock Fake news Soy Boy wrote a slanderous editorial to vote for anyone but me”.

    In a world where our President bully’s everyone that he comes in contact with, you calling the editor of the RRN a soy boy makes my point crystal clear.

    What you may call “slanderous” I call doing his job reporting FACTS to the community.

    I want to be very honest Tony, a person like you is not what I envision our MAYOR to behave like. You may not have anything nice to say about Mayor Sandy but I like the way she represents our city. She has also spent 40 years giving back to our city in so many ways. To the best of knowledge, you have never given back.

  42. Steven Richardson says:

    To Tony Tonsich-

    I don’t know what world you’re living in but how do you figure that you received 1000 votes. Here are the actual numbers from the City of Sedona:

    Tony Tonsich – 885

    Pete Conrad – 911

    Sandy Moriarty – 2136

    I’m guessing that the Editor of the Red Rock News is more spot on than you’d like people to believe. You can’t keep your facts straight

  43. Don says:

    Steven Richardson, Michael Stevens, @tonyt, @Cindy Johnson et al
    Sandy didn’t do well period. We all know it. Her numbers were no popularity win, it was voter incumbent apathy. She won’t pull off another run with better competition, and we all know it. Who’s going to be the next mayoral candidate had better be jogging for the position now. Justin will leave before the next election if he knows how to sniff the Sedona winds, he’s most likely to receive the least competent in position award if rumors correct. Two others at city hall are rumored to be on the watch to go list. Let’s see how it shakes out in the next six months because one thing you can count on in Sedona politics is that your political friends today will be your political enemies tomorrow because they know your weak spots.

  44. Steve Segner says:

    Sorry Justine has had the 100% support of the last 3 city councils, we are very very luck to have him and Karen. Sandy won by a bigger margin this last election. We all hope she will re run but if not lots of good people we can support. This last election showed the people of Sedona are behind home rule the chamber and the staff and staying Blue. Traffic is being worked on, business is good and Sedona is city budgets are on line to come in under budget for another year and income in way up over budget….. We should all be happy

  45. @Don says:

    And also to Steven Richardson, Michael Stevens, @tonyt, @Cindy Johnson et al

    All I want for Christmas is for Don’s predictions to be true. Oh how sweet it would be.

  46. @Don says:

    Sooooo Sandy didn’t do well you say?????

    I just saw the numbers from Steven Richardson and 2136 sounds rather substantial to me and as far as not being popular, I believe that she is way more popular than the others. She received more votes than double her competitors combined.

  47. This thread is going south, anonymous says:

    Who is ELS?

    04-25-08 – Mobile homeowners fight rent hikes – ABC 7 News
    https://abc7news.com/archive/6104060/

    2008-2014 – Contempo Marin Homeowners Association v. Manufactured Home Communities, Inc.
    http://www.contempomarin.org/home/legal-issues/els-lawsuit
    All the details:
    https://www.leagle.com/decision/incaco20080922019

    03-17-09 – Manufactured Home Communities, inc. vs. County of San Diego – https://www.casp.net
    https://www.casp.net/california-anti-slapp-first-amendment-law-resources/caselaw/slapp-cases-decided-by-u-s-district-courts/manufactured-home-communities-inc-vs-county-of-san-diego/

    05-15-12 – Affordable Housing for Seniors in the Cross Hairs in Chicago – The Nation
    https://www.thenation.com/article/affordable-housing-seniors-cross-hairs-chicago/

    06-03-13 – San Rafael rent control case could impact thousand – ABC 7 News
    https://abc7news.com/archive/9126326/

    04-20-14 & 08-12-16 – Jury awards record $111 million to trailer park residents – The Mercury News
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/04/20/jury-awards-record-111-million-to-trailer-park-residents/

    01-18-17 – ELS Settles California Lawsuits – Business Wire
    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170118006257/en/ELS-Settles-California-Lawsuits

    03-05-17 Mobile home park victory: A negligent owner, $10 million settlement and the San Jose residents who prevailed – East Bay Times
    https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/05/4434205/

  48. OFF POINT, losers says:

    I hope you whiners that are so far off track of the article are writing letters to the county.
    That should keep them plenty confused for a while.
    Get back on track and FOCUS….

  49. ERG says:

    Please go to the website http://www.elrojograndesedona.com to learn about the 179 acres of lands being considered by Yavapai County for rezoning. Letters to support and allow the development or to oppose the zoning change need to be received by Yavapai County December 11th. Emails should be addressed to tammy.dewitt@yavapai.us with the Subject line: Regarding El Rojo Grande Ranch and include YOUR NAME and YOUR ADDRESS in the email.

    There are three additional departments in Arizona that need to hear specifically from the citizens regarding this project – ADOT for Traffic; Water and Sewer Departments. Please send your letters out in triplicate.

    ADOT c/o Please send your email through the public relations office email address: mkirby@azdot.gov

    Dept. of Water Resource : communications@azwater.gov
    or Assured and Adequate Water Supply Staff Manager David McKay dmckay@azwater.gov

    David Dunaway
    Groundwater Protection and Water Reuse Value Streams Manager
    Water Quality Division
    Arizona Department of Environmental Quality
    1110 W. Washington Street
    Phoenix, Arizona 85007

    (602) 771-6176
    dwd@azdeq.gov

    Finally, a statement that needs to be clarified is that we learned that the County does not take into account: Water, Sewer, and Traffic. ” That is mostly true, although they are part of the discussion and of great interest to our communities. The State is in charge of Water, and therefore under the purview of Arizona Department of Water Resources. The Department of Transportation is in charge of traffic in this case since the roads within this proposed development are private and the primary road that accesses this development belongs to the State of Arizona, Highway 89A. And finally Sewer is under the control of Arizona Department of Environmental Quality. As long as those entities are satisfied with the programs or infrastructure being proposed by the developer than the County will not rely on those issues to either accept or deny an application.”

    Please do write your letters of concern!

  50. Freddy Lashchenko says:

    Wasn’t it ADEQ’s (Az Dept of Environmental Quality) issue about Oak Creek pollution that created Sedona incorporating in order to implement the waste water treatment plant? Oak Creek was designated a protected waterway? Why wouldn’t ADEQ be equally concerned about this vast development’s potential of contamination? This monster dump of aluminum & tin cans can’t connect to Sedona’s system. Half of Sedona isn’t even connected. Sedona ran out of capacity. Why? Because resort hotels were allowed to hog the system. A typical Sedona load of e coli shoved down the crawl of people living here now and then and vacation renters like me. You’re losing it Sedona.

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