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Eddie Maddock: Eye on Schnebly Community Focus Area

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock examines city of Sedona 2014 voter preferences impact three years later.

Sedona AZ (February 20, 2017) – Moving right along to formulate plans for the Schnebly Community Focus Area, the second of two special draft council meetings occurred on February 15, 2017, to review and expand plans set forth at the initial meeting held January 25.

Community Development Director Audree Juhlin briefly reviewed the nature and reason for the Community Focus Areas, as set forth by voter ratification of the revised Community Plan on March 11, 2014.

Addressing a question from Councilman John Currivan about the urgency of moving these CFA’s along so quickly, Schnebly being scheduled after already approving Western Gateway and Soldier Pass CFA’s, Ms. Juhlin again emphasized the connection to the updated Community Plan, further explaining that a total of 13 such areas have been identified as Citizen Focus Areas.

Unlike the others, Schnebly CFA, is primarily residential and the intent is to preserve the creek side area as a prominent and yet protected feature of the community. Based on what has been proposed, it will require a zone change for mixed use, as was defined at the first meeting on January 25th.

Those proposed permitted mixed-uses are:
·         Lodging (limited to no more than half the acreage)
·         Campground/RV Parks
·         Agricultural (gardens, nurseries, vineyards)
·         Parks & Recreation (discretionary creek access)
·         Commercial (restaurants, markets, galleries)
·         Single family residential
·         Multi-family residential
·         Accessory uses.

Councilman Currivan suggested having the current transportation study incorporated into this project to project future traffic impacts. However, that request essentially was denied to expand any further than the presently suggested analysis.

Cynthia Lovely, Senior Planner, Department of Community Development, expanded the proposals with a detailed slide presentation of key issues.

Protection of Oak Creek and its riparian habitat by maintaining floodway in natural state with only minor improvements such as trails, parks, and temporary structures were among the recommendations.

Permanent protection of the Oak Creek corridor is strongly recommended with consideration of property owners to establish conservation easements and/or donate or allow land to be acquired by public or non-profit organizations.
Drainage flowing into Oak Creek should be retained, unaltered.

Preserving and protecting open space along Schnebly Hill Road in addition to limiting visible development on hillsides are to be considered in addition to flexibility of on-site design standards to enable preservation of floodway, open space, and hillside setbacks.

Building style, use of native plants, screening, style of streets, and parking will be compatible to blending in with residential neighborhoods.

Historic preservation will remain high priority. An effort will be extended to reduce dependency on single occupancy vehicles and encourage trails to enable complete walking and bicycle connectivity.

Create access to Oak Creek is back on the drawing board with consideration of a creek walk as part of the pedestrian network, as well as potential for a footbridge over Oak Creek.

Sedona Creative Life Center is within the Schnebly Hill focus area.

Implementation of a zone change will also be a requirement for establishment of an “Oak Creek Heritage District.”

Again, this updated planning is a result of a ballot measure to ratify the updated Community Plan, presented to Sedona registered voters on March 11, 2014. Of the 2,422 responding ballots (representing a turnout of 37.3%) 1,423 voted “yes” and 923 voted “no.” So, 62% of a voter turnout of a mere 37.3% made this monumental decision.

Likewise, later that same year on August 27, 2014, Sedona voters approved Proposition 429, Home Rule (Alternative Expenditure Limitation). That resulted in total votes of 3,976 of which 2,665 approved Home Rule and –1,311 opposed. Conclusion: 66% of those voting supported unrestricted expenditure limitation, but still only 3,976 voters out of incorporated Sedona’’s population of approximately 10,000 voted.

If you are among those who did not vote, do not complain that decisions presently being implemented are the result of less than half the residents living here.

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90 Comments

  1. Wsr says:

    @fyi

    Whatever moron….

  2. What the ???? says:

    I voted for the new guys because in my opinion they were above reproach then and I must say that they must be now. Just because we think that we know something is underhanded doesn’t mean that it is. Like it or nor, they voted for what they thought was right and I’ll stick with them for doing that.

  3. Good One says:

    “Call up the AG’s Executive Office. They tell you to hire your own attorney.” quote from F.Y.I. 3/21/17 @ 12:30 pm.

    Well guess what. Take your grievance(s) about city/chamber contract to Sedona officials and they tell you to call Jennifer Wesselhoff or Steve Segner. WAKE UP is correct. That’s they way things work now days in Sedona.

  4. Easy Fix says:

    So the City Attorney (Robert Pickels) advises that if SB1430 is approved the city stand’s to lose $400,000 in stand-by fees from owners of vacant properties with sewer access but not connected. Of course the solution proposed is to sock it to those actually using the sewer – just raise the monthly fees to make up the difference.

    This should really be a no-brainer. If the city simply withdrew funding the Chamber of Commerce Visitors Center (cost estimated @ $300,000 annually) and then cancel the contract paying Red Earth Theatre equaling around $50,000/yr. – then reduce the cockeyed percentage of return to the Chamber on the bed tax – VOILA ! An easy reclamation of the $400,000 and a much more equitable solution. BTW – the Chamber Visitors Center functioned very nicely prior to Sedona’s incorporation when there was NO city funding available. Now just how did that work? Because it did.

    Go for it State of Arizona. Pull in the reins on these high-and mighty rogue cities that continue to operate as if they are exempt from obeying laws. If they clamp down it could be viewed as one of the biggest advances to uphold the Community Plan’s vision statement, in part, to maintain that small town feeling. Holding these fools to the fire might be gift to save this place from more hell and damnation.

  5. Uptown Sedona says:

    I like and appreciate our three new councilors.

    Nobody gets to be Monday morning quarterbacks without reasoning why these three decided to go a different route. Must be they know something we don’t? How about some transparency and clarification as to why the councilors voted the way they did? How about 7 different viewpoints in the next city article?

  6. Let Us Not Forget says:

    When Sedona incorporated a percentage of city tax was committed to pay for the “wastewater treatment plant” aka and more appropriate = sewer system. And so what has happened? Little by little that tax money is being weaned away from that promised use and “wasted” (excuse the pun) on needless projects and unnecessary wishlist items such as funding the Red Earth Theatre to use the former Teen Center, now renamed The Hub, but still city-owned property. Rightfully that facility should be rented out as a source of revenue to the city and NOT an additional expense.

    Sure, they can increase monthly sewer fees to those presently receiving the service, but for the purpose of making up for the loss to those with vacant properties and not even connected to the system? How did they get away with that in the first place. Same as attempting to force us to one garbage hauler? But thank goodness they didn’t get away with that rip-off.

    As previously suggested in another comment it’s time to cut to the chase and give up the great give-away to the regional chamber of commerce. Drop the idea of allowing them to invest in property on behalf of the city of Sedona. That money alone would be better used to operate the sewer system.

    If the state finds doling out money to a non-profit that so far hasn’t displayed an ACCURATE accounting of return on investment (including city financed expansion of chamber facilities including new employees paid by city taxes) an acceptable use of public funds while at the same time gouging legitimate citizens every chance they get, then the State of Arizona must be as corrupt as the City of Sedona. Time will tell.

  7. WSR says:

    Wow
    @let us not forget
    @uptown Sedona
    @easy fix
    @good one

    All the same crazy crazy person…..
    Can you say……too filled with hate and too much time in your hands… Whew

  8. The Thought Proctologist says:

    @ Wsr, WSr, wSr, West Sedona Resident, West sedona resident, West sedona Resident, WSR, WSR times 2, Anonymous and All Readers at The Eye:

    Has it ever occurred to any of you readers that, just maybe, all these West Sedona Resident & WSR variants are actually the publisher of The Eye, namely Cathi Hill? Why does she permit this WSR crap to go on ad infinitum from a purported commentor who has never commented on a single article published at this site. Why, Madam Publisher, do you never tire of a commentor who never contributes anything of value but, rather, only flings hate at everyone who has a constructive comment?

  9. wsR says:

    I smell something

    Did you say Thought Fart…. aka (deleted by editor)

  10. Eddie Maddock says:

    As “TheThought Proctologist” suggests for the editor/publisher of Sedona Eye to withhold comments from individual(s) who obviously take advantage of the freedom-of-speech policy offered by C. Bentley-Hill, would that not only offer the opportunity for more criticism to the publication, readers, and contributors? Can you imagine the whining and accusations of SE being unfair, biased, selective – maybe even denial of free speech? Doesn’t Sedona already have at least one local print and another on-line publication that actually does edit or refuse to make public points of view differing with that of the publication(s)? Who would benefit if Sedona Eye adopted the same standards that have already been pretty severely criticized in the past?

    While the extremely obnoxious and really very boring tripe from the obvious person (or persons) that take such joy in cluttering up space with deleterious and inane nothingness, glancing at the names under siege causes me to reread those comments, some of which I missed because of the volumes that fly through cyberspace on this site – thereby lending the opportunity to catch up on some extremely relevant points which otherwise I would have missed. Thus, frequently the references prove to be beneficial which is doubtful that was the intent due to the acrid disposition of the author(s) aka WSR etal.

    So from another point of view, except for taking up space, the culprit(s) do in a peculiar way offer a service. Check out the comments from those meticulously named by the mysterious “WSR.” Real deal facts in many cases and apparently that miserable frustrated soul has no other recourse except to call attention to and revive the words so taken to task and which, in most cases, speak volumes. Don’t believe it? Check out postings from:

    @let us not forget
    @uptown Sedona
    @easy fix
    @good one

    Thanks WSR for calling my attention to the vital information offered from the above references.

    Respectfully submitted,

    Eddie S. Maddock

  11. The Thought Proctologist says:

    @the most charming Eddie Maddock,

    Ms. Maddock, the First Amendment applies to intelligible speech. It is not possible to deny WSR, and all variants of same, freedom of speech since this illiterate (meaning WSR et al) only speaks galimatias confused (unintelligible) speech.

    Moreover, the Federal Courts definition of Freedom of Speech as meant in the First Amendment, and guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, is the right to express beliefs and ideas without unwarranted government restriction. Ms. Hill is not the government and WSR doesn’t have enough intelligence or class to express intelligible beliefs and ideas. All other sites like TheEye establish rules of commentary to which violation can result in Constitutionally LEGAL disbarment from the site. Yes, they all do it without risk of litigation.

  12. Eddie Maddock says:

    It wasn’t and still isn’t my intention to dictate how SE or any other publication sets their editorial policy.

    My main point, which essentially substantiates the position of “The Thought Proctologist” was to agree with the foolish efforts of WSR and affiliates by suggesting the convoluted benefit they offer, that being to point out comments I may have missed.

    Not being an authority on the technicalities of Freedom of Speech, I am aware of a controversial billboard currently on display in the Phoenix area which the last I heard was under severe scrutiny relating to freedom of speech – and as distasteful as the billboard is, the last I heard it will be upheld and allowed to remain in place based on that particular “freedom.”

    Bottom line here – what difference does it make? If the intent is to take down the publisher/editor of the Sedona Eye, then so be it.

    It has been and remains my own opinion that the true target here of WSR and affiliates has been and remains the Sedona Eye in toto because during the 40 years I’ve lived in Sedona many, many attempts to compete with the Red Rock News failed. And, of course, RRN maintains the monopoly on classified ads and public notices, but it wasn’t until Rita Livingston started the print edition of Sedona Times, also accompanied with an online version, that served as the seed for Sedona Eye which has gleaned substantial readership in spite of backlash from all directions and now including the publisher’s editorial policies.

    If it ain’t broke don’t fix it still ain’t a bad policy and that, too, is my opinion. So guess also in a convoluted way I’m defending the right for WSR etal their right to make fools of themselves. If and when it becomes my preference to abstain from contributing it will be my choice and not because some nut case(s) intimidate(s) me into doing so. Or, on the other hand and in the case of two other publications, I prefer it isn’t because the publishers decide what is or is not appropriate.

    So shoot the messenger.

    Eddie Maddock

  13. How full of yourselfes says:

    All of you talk about kicking people off of SE please keep in mind that (like so many others) WSR and his/her variants can post under even more names.

    I mean really it’s not much different than J Rick who most times says he posts only under his given name and than admits posting under the Proctologist.

  14. The Thought Proctologist says:

    @ Wsr, WSr, wSr, West Sedona Resident, West sedona resident, West sedona Resident, WSR, WSR times 2, Anonymous and All Readers at The Eye:

    Wsr: You smell something? Try taking a shower Mr. Filth

    Readers:

    Has it ever occurred to any of you readers that, just maybe, all these West Sedona Resident & WSR variants are actually the publisher of The Eye, namely Cathi Hill? Why does she permit this WSR crap to go on ad infinitum from a purported commentor who has never commented on a single article published at this site. Why, Madam Publisher, do you never tire of a commentor who never contributes anything of value but, rather, only flings hate at everyone who has a constructive comment?

  15. How Un-American says:

    To the Thought Proctologist

    I guess somewhere along the way you forget that SE is open and accessible to EVERYONE. If you are too weak to take the odd comments from Wsr, WSr, wSr, West Sedona Resident, West sedona resident, West sedona Resident, WSR that’s your problem. YOU CAN LEAVE THE SITE AS WELL. The only one who may miss you is Eddie Maddock and at her age, I’m thinking that we won’t have that much time to put up with her anyway.

    We all know that in your alter-ego of J Rick you are so full of yourself as $50 words flow past your lips on to your keyboard and remember; WE PUT UP WITH YOU not because we agree with you. It’s because you have the right to be pig headed who think’s he knows it all.

    I don’t know who Cathi Hill is but I am thankful that she doesn’t buckle under to the likes of you.

  16. Well, Well, Well says:

    As this horror story unfolds it seems more and more like the WSR gang and Thought Proctologist have joined forces to take down Sedona Eye – all going after “Madam Publisher.” The big question here is, why don’t these anti-Eye folks start their own publication and therefore have control and say-so where it counts? Huh? Something that would actually make sense?

  17. Sedona Julie says:

    now let me get this ??? wsr says mr filth proctologist answers ??? why ??? good article in spite of bubbas . let it pass

  18. Wine Maker Tom says:

    Is forest service going to allow the Schnebly Hill Flagstaff road is the question worth answering or am I to literal for all the (deleted by editor) throwers trying to find a surface it will stick on?

  19. @Wine Maker Tom says:

    Since the Chamber of Commerce has been bribing the USFS with Sedona city tax money, supposedly to help with trail maintenance, that funding might come with a payback requirement. Could a clue be a connection to Schnebly Hill access for a new road? Hmmm – everyone but City of Sedona elected officials seems to understand the logic of return on investment – especially the C of C when the money isn’t really their own.

  20. The Thought Proctologist says:

    @How Un-American & Well, well, well, & How full of yourselfes, together, aka Publisher pretending to be wsR

    How do we know which posters are someone else, whether they be the publisher at TheEye or a ghost-writer for the illiterate Wsr/wsR et al? Btw, one could guess, however, that *How full of yourselfes* really is WSR or a variant because the illiterate can’t even spell “yourselves.” Did you make it past 6th grade, wsR ?

  21. Me, ME, I says:

    Well when I look at city council meetings I hear a lot of “I’s and disregards for the residents. How smart the exclusive 7 has become.

    When I listen to the chamber I hear a lot us “us” and disregards for the legitimate businesses that collect sales tax.

    When I read the eye I read a lot of “me”s and attacks on others that don’t go along with the program.

    What have you all become?

    Thank you Editor for giving us information and a place to speak up.

  22. Are you Proud? says:

    Are you proud of what Sedona has become?

    The City council doesn’t listen. It is affecting the entire region. Special interests are running the region AKA Sedona Chamber. It’s a region to pads the pockets of Hotel owners. No one matters.

    Are you sick of what they done to YOUR town? Unless you unite and use your voice it’s gonna get worse……… Are you mad enough to make a change?

  23. Not Dead Yet says:

    Sorry to remain a disappointment “How Un-American” but I haven’t kicked the bucket – yet. And FYI don’t expect any huge announcements when the event occurs since strict instructions have been mandated that NONE are to be made public when it happens.

    Now then, it would be shocking if the well-bred, highly intellectual, educated, and brave soul behind the scenes, making Sedona Eye available – namely Publisher/Editor C. Bentley Hill would yield to the brazen and overt tactic of acquiescing to intimidation or coercion by the insipid allegation of being the person behind inane and ongoing posts from the individual, or handful of individuals, actually responsible for the comments, identifiable without further reference.

    It must be painful for C. Bentley Hill to live up to the initial editorial policy of Sedona Eye, which was and remains to publish ALL comments as received, with the few editorial deletions, clearly identified as having been made at the discretion of the editor, presumably for reasons of liability.

    Further, it would be even more surprising if the Editor of Sedona Eye fell into the trap by even addressing such a blatant and amateur effort from the person identified as “The Thought Proctologist” in the effort to elicit a response to absurd charges, not even worth repeating.

    With the ever increasing number of Eye readers and those participating in the blogging opportunity, the accusation makes no sense. The ploy itself makes one question the level of intelligence and/or credentials presumably achieved by yet another attempt of a Sedona Eye hijacker to take down or manipulate the production of Sedona Eye – “The Thought Proctologist.”

    Just another opinion,
    Eddie Maddock

  24. F.Y.I. says:

    Pardon me, Let Us Not Forget. The Chamber was not allowed to invest in the Jordan Road property “on behalf of the City of Sedona.”

    Since at least 2014 Steve Segner has wanted parking for activity vendors to use for pick up and drop off of visitors who are looking to participate in activities in and around Sedona. Also for events managers to pick up those who will be attending their events.

    When escrow closes on or about May 8th, the Chamber of Commerce may own and operate a staging area for tour operators and hub.

  25. And So? says:

    So what if Steve Segner’s dream for many years – a staging area for whatever – has now come true via purchase by the Chamber of Commerce of the Jordan Road property? (Re: FYI) The source of the funding is what matters – City of Sedona tax revenue – be it sales and/or bed tax! No way could the Chamber purchase that property from their own resources – primarily member dues. The City of Sedona has sold out not only the legitimate residents but the State of Arizona by reducing this once beautiful place on earth to nothing more than a run-of-the-mill trashy tourist town.

    Add to the mix the never-ending city sponsored events that directly compete with legitimate licensed, tax collecting businesses and the scenario worsens as the plague of circling sharks continue to circle and wait for the next opportunity to devour the rights of citizens and march on to ruination. And why? Because somebody is making a lot of money? DUH –

    And even the Sedona Red Rock News lowered themselves to print two letters to the editor wailing about the dreadful, obnoxious destruction of our no longer high-class prize possession. The new kids on the block (City Manager and City Attorney) gloat at meetings – arrogant and snickering over their lauded recommendations and high priced authority to accommodate a bunch of yes-boys (and one girl, the mighty mayor) as they cater and acquiesce to the demands of this gawd-awful Chamber of Commerce and the head-lock Steve Segner and Jennifer have them in. Even to pleas and begging not to establish an entertainment district the wishes of Jennifer and even a request from Jerome appeared to be more important. Didn’t watch any more of the meeting to even find out the conclusion. = Needed to smoke a cigarette which was the first in 20 years.

    Every day another home is for sale just in this subdivision, and most relocating not far but outside city limits. Great job and great legacy – giving Sedona not to the highest bidder but the slickest con artists to have invaded since Sedona incorporated.

  26. F.Y.I. says:

    Most readers of The Eye have been painfully aware for some time now that the Chamber is spending $1,015,000 of public taxpayer money to purchase the Jordan Road property. And So?: The escrow was opened prior to City Council knowledge and without a Public Hearing.

    Won’t this purchase violate the AZ Constitution “Gift Clause” (Article 9, Section 7)? Jennifer W. admitted the City will receive no money in return.

    GIFT CLAUSE: “Neither the state, nor any county, city, town, municipality, or other subdivision of the state shall ever give or loan its credit in the aid of, or make any donation or grant, by subsidy or otherwise, to any individual, association, or corporation, or become a subscriber to or a shareholder in any company or corporation, or become a joint owner with any person, company, or corporation.”

  27. West Sedona Dave says:

    FYI?

    So Phoenix can use part of there bed tax for a sports stadium, and directly or indirectly Sedona cant do the same?…..
    You know just repeating the same drool over and over wont make it a law dont you?

    As Ive said over and over…..You think there is corruption, call the states attorney…..They love going after government, because it helps them politically down the road!

    And I will just wait for the lame excuse they tell you get your own attorney! LOL..

    I guess they were just being nice instead of telling you to go pound sand because you have no case!

    As for your gift clause…..Is the mayor getting ownership of the building in question?
    Or is it, bed tax will perches it, and then turned over to the city? So in theory, the city tax will buy the building and give it to the city which the funds came from in the first place?

    You people really need to focus your energy to things you can help….You know help a charity, they allays need help, funds, ect….
    Do you have any idea how many people are laughing at you because of your poor understanding how our local government works, and basic law?

    Now go light your hair on fire about another uninformed topic!

  28. Maricopa County Proposition 302 says:

    GET your facts correct DAVE No one GIFTS a chamber !!!!!!!

    READERS Steve BS again. Read for yourselves It is a county TAX Maricopa County Proposition 302!!!!!!

    https://tourism.az.gov/maricopa-county-proposition-302

    **** The purpose of this program is to provide funding for tourism marketing and promotion within Maricopa County. Everyone pays to play political via subdivision—– Davie

    Liar liar go light your pants on fire…..

  29. Best of the Litter says:

    Quote from West Sedona Dave:

    “Do you have any idea how many people are laughing at you because of your poor understanding how our local government works, and basic law?”

    And do you have any idea how many people are laughing at you because of your lack of writing skills (bad grammar, spelling, etc. in case you don’t get it)?

    That lack of education is enhanced by your inability to differentiate Sedona, population of appx. 10,000 and shrinking, from Phoenix – metropolitan city wherein our State Capitol is situated.

    Little Sedona continues to abuse legitimate licensed businesses and cater to the whims of the select few. As mentioned in a previous comment, Steve Segner because he’s wanted his “staging area” for a long time. So what? Steve Segner lives in Oak Creek Canyon but has a business within City Limits and cheats using that address to register to vote? And why does that make him special? Maybe it’s because it blatantly displays his amazing negotiating abilities? And that isn’t intended to be a complimentary question.

    You really outdid yourself on your latest offering, West Sedona Dave. Temper, temper. Best not to write stuff when in such an obvious snit.

    Ohh – too funny. Way to go. “.You know help a charity, they allays need help, funds, ect….” And you and your allies don’t “allays” need help. And what, pray tell, is the meaning of “ect”?

  30. West Sedona Dave says:

    Arizona Cardinals Stadium (2007)

    Cost: $455 million

    Percentage of public financing: 67.7%

    $298.5 million of the tab is provided by the Arizona Tourism and Sports Authority, s from taxes on hotel beds and rental cars. Each ticket has a $4.25 surcharge. The city of Glendale provided $9.5 million.
    http://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2010/05/cleveland_browns_1999_stadium/

    Learn government 101….then get back to me on your gifts…..
    I learned a long time ago, and maybe you should to!…..When digging a hole you cant dig your way out…..FOOL!

  31. West Sedona Dave says:

    Here is who collects all the money for stadiums in and around Phoenix….

    http://www.az-sta.com/purpose

    And look at there Mission Statement…..

    AZSTA Mission Statement
    The Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority enhances our economy and our community’s quality of life through the development of professional and amateur sports facilities, the attraction of entertainment, sporting, and business events, and through tourism promotion:
    ========================================================
    Now are you going to tell me it ok for Phoenix to fund parks and stadiums throughout phoenix for Pro and youth sports, and Sedona cant?

    Can the city prove it needs parking?….Do you think they need a impact study on a existing property zoned C-1?

    You beat the drum of nonsense because this happens all around the country every day of the week?
    Just because you dont like someone, or a policy doesn’t make it illegal!

  32. GREAT says:

    Knock knock… Who’s there? Steve stealing taxpayers money pretending to be West Sedona Dave.

    Knock knock… Who’s there at city management? No one cause they are run by the chamber and lodging

    Knock Knock… Where’s Sedona? Gone to the tourists

    Instead of bring in money people to stay here YOU are chasing them OUT!

    Great one comparing us to Phoenix and Glendale Still Laughing You are such a fool. Did you read wednesday’s letters to the editor? Nobody thinks you are doing a good job except those STEALING taxpayers money to pay for their ads,

  33. Special thanks to City Council says:

    I wanted to Thank the city council for approving the entertainment are, 401 Jordan Rd, and Schnebly hill. Then on top of that Thank them for writing that new community plan that takes Sedona to a new and horrible place.
    We need to thank the City staffer for making Sedona everything it is not , according to the vision statement.
    Sedona is the now the disneyland for day trippers. City Council created a problem so now they can say how great they are to fix it. You can’t fix stupid. Stupid leadership with fat axx egos. RECALL them

  34. Mary C says:

    @West Sedona Dave

    The point is, as the AZSTA mission statement clearly states “enhances our economy and our community’s quality of life.” More tourist traffic to Sedona will in no way enhance the community’s quality of life. It may make the tourist business a few more dollars, but even that is questionable as after tourists are stuck in bumper to bumper traffic they probably will never return. If Sedona had bumper to bumper traffic when I first came over 25 years ago, I would have never returned.

  35. What the ???? says:

    West Sedona Dave grows dumber by the minute. His citations are all in reference to the State of Arizona – and not Phoenix. Big difference. However, this, what did someone else write, “Pick of the Litter?” (Best of the Litter) wouldn’t understand because he believes it’s perfectly OK for the City of Sedona to fund the entire Verde Valley with Sedona City tax revenue.

    Big difference you stupid idiot – Federal, State, County, or City/Town funding – and you really don’t get it? And just who needs to take a refresher (better yet beginner’s) course in Government 101.

    Read your own words – “ARIZONA Sports and Tourism Authority” NOT City of Phoenix Sports and Tourism Authority.

    City Council and Staff using city funding for a “regional” Chamber of Commerce to promote their members should be held personally responsible for all negative results past, present and future. Very damaging to environment, quality of life, and promoting dangerous conditions such as peril in the event of wildfires. Very generous they are to allow the chamber of commerce to use city money however they choose.

  36. Jim Poole says:

    If I wanted to live in Phoenix I would. Would you PLEASE stop comparing sedona to phoenix @west sedona dave. I don’t like phoenix metro. Millions of people rat race. THAT is why I spent more on my house here in Sedona then what I could get down there. Give it a break. You’ll never change my mind that you are the benefactor of TAXPAYERS money.

  37. Wsr says:

    @what the??!
    @mary C
    @Special thanks to city council
    @Great

    Attention SE the above are all the same person posting under different names..FYI

  38. West Sedona Dave says:

    Dear Jim, I am so sorry you cant comprehend anything I write, thats ok, you are old and set in your ways…

    Its not a matter of comparing anything, see? Its so very simple a child could figure it out!
    Every single time one of our local crack pots, sets there hair on fire claiming Sedona is corrupt or something is against the law I simply point out it happens locally, or nearby, or most places in the country…..Thats all plain and simple….

    I am a tax payer just like you……One exception, Im not a old angry man who see’s the glass half empty!

    I see the ” dreaded bed tax ” as a fee charged to those who stay overnight in this city……Im not full of hate, so the city decides it wants the Chamber to do marketing for them…..No big conspiracy….Is it MY tax money?…..Well no I cant say that….But for some perverse reason many here think its there money?….Strange, even a bit deranged in my book?

    I guess if I hated everyone, everything, and thought I could take my money when i died, maybe I would see things differently? Who knows?

    I am no fan of war, yet my tax money goes to killing innocent woman and children all across the world…Those drones sure do a smash up job killing anything in there way!…..I try and not focus on the evils of the world….Seams like there is far to much hate just in this little city…..

    But thats ok……I still will look at the glass half full, and show that Sedona is no different than Cottonwood , or Phoenix…….

    Bed tax, is bed tax…..Its not my money, my power is in my vote…..Kinda simple really….

  39. Jessica Winehard says:

    Using bed tax is a stupid
    Comment. The lodging is costing the taxpayers MONEY by bringing in day trippers. Wear tear police services,ext. Then the fire district wants more taxes to pay for tourist
    Your full of of it.chamber lodging should be cit off.

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