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CVS Plans with Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

Sedona AZ (April 15, 2015)After a five hour City Council Meeting (4/14/15) dominated by more discussion about the CVS pharmacy, it concluded with another stalemate requiring yet an additional proposed meeting to revisit the inevitable approval, one way or another, of the controversial development on the corner of West SR89 and Airport Road.

An attempt will be made to contact the people who signed the legal opposition to the project, source of the required super-majority vote of six, to ascertain if those folks exactly understand the two choices presently on the table now that CVS has purchased the acreage.

Plan A (or one): The original proposal for a larger, more aesthetically designed pharmacy with a perpetual guarantee for an open-space buffer between the development and adjoining residences; and Plan B (or two): To downsize the pharmacy to accommodate building on one acre, without benefit of improvements offered with Plan A (one.)

Conclusion: There WILL be a CVS pharmacy on that corner. In order to continue to cooperate with surrounding property owners and even after two and a half years of design planning in compliance with Sedona development codes, P & Z Commission approval, and delays at the City Council level, a clear consensus is the ultimate goal, if possible, in order to amicably resolve the issue.

Fortunately, upon the recommendation of City of Sedona Attorney Michael Goimarac, the task of “polling” the residents will not be added to City Staff and Planners who have already exhausted all efforts in order to accommodate all parties involved.

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80 Comments

  1. Donna Varney says:

    Thank you for the update. That is great that City of Sedona Attorney Michael Goimarac made that recommendation. That would have been uncomfortable for many residents.

    Kudos and appreciation to Vice Mayor DiNunzio and Councilor LeFevre for standing by their vote.

  2. BJ says:

    To those who may not be aware, Walgreens has plans to shut down 200 of its stores. Locations are not yet disclosed. And so if that should include the one in Sedona then where will we go for specialized items that only drug stores carry?

    Sure we can get prescriptions filled at Bashas and Safeway, but all the other items not available? It will be another loss to Sedona residents if we have no options other than going to Flagstaff or Cottonwood.

    Please look at the two plans very carefully. One WILL be built. Across the highway is all tastefully designed commercial (medical/dental offices and nice low profile lodging.)

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/walgreens-shutter-200-stores-n338416

  3. Anonymous says:

    “”Fortunately, upon the recommendation of City of Sedona Attorney Michael Goimarac, the task of “polling” the residents will not be added to City Staff and Planners who have already exhausted all efforts in order to accommodate all parties involved.””
    Who said this? Describe what “all efforts” were and why was it exhausting? Just for the record how many parties are being accommodated?
    So someone wants a clear consensus as long as they don’t have to work too hard, otherwise skip valuing consensus maybe? ?? Seems like that is what is the way to interpret this. Is social process so undervalued and mis-utilized? I do not assume ex business owners necessarily have the experience to lubricate social process in a democratic way as they commonly are familiar with pyramidal top down structures – which is not what a city/citizens relation is when it is working at its best and most efficient. fwiw.

  4. Ms Varney since you live way at the other end of town I think that you should keep your kudos about DiNunzio and LeFevre to yourself because it seems that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I live just up airport road and have spoken to my neighbors and think that those two self indulging councilors should resign. Those two did not offer one viable reason to support their personal issues.

    DiNunzio thinks that “cut and fill” would be less intrusive on the earth with plan 2 with 10 houses as opposed to having plan 1. So, if I understand this correctly, disturbing the earth for a one acre building is more damaging then having 5 acres disturbed. For a “banker” perhaps he should go back to math class.

    For those really paying attention to this issue, those good minded people who signed the petition signed it for the options of having a CVS or not having a CVS. Now that CVS owns the property and will be building something, every one of the people who signed the petition said that they don’t want to look out of their windows at a typical run of the mill CVS store with those red signs on all four sides.

    So IMO lets keep this very simple:

    Either way we’re going to have a CVS it’s just a matter of which one? That choice is not up to any of us really, it’s up to my neighbors who signed the petition. We are the folks that will be most impacted by having to look at a typical CVS store and have to deal with traffic lined up on airport road.

    To all of the other posters on this site, please stay focused on the real issues!

  5. JJ says:

    I think the city staff have much more important things to do then go poll home owners. Mark Dinuzio had it right, if the city did this it would come across as the city bullying the home owners. The home owners can withdraw their vote if they want to.

  6. Responding to “Anonymous,” representatives of the CVS project first appeared before the Planning & Zoning Commission in September of 2013, which meant it had been under discussion even prior to that time. Since then, and not counting the April 14th meeting, there have been ten other City meetings relating to this particular project. And it still isn’t over. If that isn’t indicative of “exhausting” the efforts, then I apologize for using the term.

    At the meeting concerns were expressed that people were perhaps under the impression when they signed the protest petition it would entirely eliminate the CVS development. Since it has now been disclosed the project can still proceed, but on just one acre of land, some endorsers of the petition resurfaced stating they wanted their names removed from the petition.

    Based on that, the following is a portion of the dialog that ensued as disclosed on the video of the April 14th council meeting: Item 9-B (Part 3 of 3) forwarding to 26:38 minutes into it:

    Councilman Mark Dinunzio suggested for Council and Staff to determine current feelings of the petition supporters and not the developer.

    City Attorney Mike Goimarac: “I don’t know that we can impose any kind of restriction in terms of what kind of communication could be had between a property owner and another property owner. I feel very uncomfortable about trying to mandate that . . .”

    Mr. Goimarac continues: “I guess I have a problem with the City being the poll taker because we might be accused of twisting arms or something like that, and so I really think that this is just like it was when we were initially looking at this, that the developer has the opportunity to reach out to the property owners. The property owners can certainly come to the City and ask questions and we’ll respond to questions. But to say that we should go out and say this is the way it is folks, this is the lay of the land, I think is . . . I feel uncomfortable and wouldn’t suggest that because I think it just puts is in a precarious position.”

    Dinunzio: “Of asking them whether their protest stands or they want to change their minds?”

    Goimarac: “And then when they ask questions about, well, wait, let me see if I understand this, I mean I just see . . .”

    Dinunzio: “And who better to answer that? Ourselves or the developer?

    Mayor Sandy Moriarty intervenes, pointing out that City Attorney Mike Goimarac has rendered his opinion.

    Goimarac continues: “My opinion is – maybe Audree or our community development guy – I don’t think they’ve ever been in that kind of position, to go out and poll people. Of course this is a very unique situation. You know, we weren’t involved in the initial process of determining if there were protests out there and I just think the City’s staying arm’s length from that and people want to come and give us something in writing indicating that their protest is withdrawn we’re certainly willing to accept that, but I just don’t feel comfortable in recommending that the City be a poll taker in this process.”

    As for your questions about a consensus and the number of parties being accommodated, as suggested by City Attorney Mike Goimarac, why not ask directly at City Hall where you are assured of receiving a viable answer? You might feel more comfortable with the information they offer there.

    Thank you for your input.

    ESM

  7. Donna Varney says:

    Hello @Robert Johnson Resident off Airport rd Thank you for your thoughts.

    Standing up for one believes is a wonderful attribute. Especially when that is not what the masses or peers agree with. Being alone with their vote show strength and leadership. IMO. I appreciate and respect anyone that does stand up. Being bashed for how one feels is not easy to take, going along with others is the easy road. I personally prefer someone with strenght.

    As far as the whole CVS issue, I have not said one way or the other my thoughts. The idea of postponing the vote to enable those homeowners the right to withdraw their vote that forced the super majority was a fabulous solution. The homeowners in that area that created the super majority can be heard again by withdrawing their vote. By doing so the “super” goes to majority which would pass the larger CVS. The ball goes back to the property owners court. If that is the right choice for the property owners then they should have no problem getting enough to with draw their vote.

    I have shopped at other CVS and may shop at the Sedona one regardless of its size. I wish our Sedona neighbors in this area the very best.

    With warm regards,
    Donna Joy Varney

  8. sharlett says:

    Eddie, I find your Conclusion inaccurate. Why?

    Looks to me like you just bought – hook, line and sinker – into the corporate Bully tactics of CVS! Also find it amazing that you side with the city attorney in his stance of allowing the Developer to further bully the signers of the doc forcing a Majority Vote by them polling the signers asking if they want to remove their names…how objective and fair is that? Find that rather frightening.

    You normally look at all sides and understand the political will and interests of those who only want something for their gains (CVS and their profits; City and all the supposed benefits CVS will supposedly give them; Chamber, Lodging Council etc) vs the good of all of us.

    Perhaps one issue needs to be discussed and that is the one where City Staff goes Against the majority of the surrounding people, who are most impacted, and just why would they do that? Protection of their jobs? Supposed tax revenue and mini benefits? (wouldn’t the city make more if they shut down all their spending with the Chamber so they could put the 1.3m back towards real city needs? )

    Council and Staff look down a hole to get new money to support their big spending budgets?

    Let me remind all – that while CVS threatens us as they do their tantrum dance – there are no assurances that Plan B will ever be built………too many obstacles on that one little acre that no one is talking about!

    @Robert Johnson Resident off Airport rd – you are surely entitled to your opinions – as are all the rest of us! Both Council members who voted no have far more correct information than you do and all they are trying to do is protect this tiny little town. YOU?

    The one commercial acre has a major drainage wash going through it – have you heard about that? Cut and Fill? Jezz – that’s a given for each plan…but which is the least cut and fill project? Believe your words were “Dinunzio thinks that “cut and fill” would be less intrusive on the earth with plan 2 (of one commercial acre) rather than Plan A. Plan A is looking for a flat land parking lot and another acre of flat land for the CVS building….. homes don’t clear land to do flat land development – per our Land Code.

    Other idea I’d like to throw in here is the concept of open space (as a big draw by CVS) in the middle of a small town area where I believe we are surrounded by thousands of acres of public open space? Huh?

    So, if I understand this correctly, disturbing the earth for a one acre building is more damaging then having 2 acres disturbed for commercial development. For a “banker” perhaps he should go back to math class.” My take is the councilman Mark does know math. Putting some homes on the rest of the acreage will have to go in front of the City so all will be taken into accounting.

    For any of you to buy into the bully tactics of CVs – well – I’ve got a bridge you might want to buy. OMG! Stand up against big Corporation doing its tantrum bully dance.

    @JJ – a poll by the city is not a bully routine…….kind of reminds me of allowing the citizens to vote on the community plan etc.

    Robert Johnson Resident off Airport rd – You are very correct that the real issue is how you want the quality of your life to be unnecessarily negatively impacted! It’s also about people being swept away by the largess and bully tactics of CVS.

  9. @Sharlett. My short review of the City Council Meeting regarding CVS was written objectively and in accordance with what occurred at the meeting. It was completely without bias simply because personally I have no compelling preference in the matter. That you chose to interpret it otherwise, of course, is your prerogative. The direct quotes in my response to “Anonymous” are available for verification at the video review link on the City’s web site.

  10. anonymous says:

    Why does the city want to poll the residents in that area? Do they have their own agenda?
    If they are so concern with being fair then why didn’t they poll the businesses that collect sales and bed tax BEFORE they gave just under 10 million dollars, 1.2 annual dollars to the regional Chamber? The businesses had NO say so.
    Why is it okay for the City to spend taxpayers money on “regional special interest group” AKA Sedona Chamber? Something is wrong in Sedona.

  11. BJ says:

    Look, I’m with the gang that doesn’t have a dog in this fight, but I must question the logic of someone who questioned whether or not CVS would really build on the smaller parcel. If they didn’t intend to do so, then why was the following agenda item approved?

    “AB 1923 Discussion/possible action regarding approval of a Series 9 Liquor License for CVS/pharmacy #10425 proposed to be located at 20 Airport Road, Sedona, AZ (Liquor License #09130056).”

    Motion made by Scott Jablow.
    Seconded by Mark DiNunzio

    APPROVED: UNANIMOUSLY

  12. Joy Nanda says:

    Great! If Walgreen’s closes, then CVS can take over their building. I don’t think anyone would have a problem with that. Perfect solution for all. Otherwise, I still don’t believe Sedona needs another chain drug store and I for one will not shop there. Of course, none of this is for the residents’ benefit anyway. I do not understand why, when the residents get signatures on a petition, or vote on an isse that doesn’t suit the powers that be in our little town, we have to keep having more votes (with propaganda and yet, “arm twisting) until they get their way?

  13. to Eddie Maddock

    I am not familiar with your postings but wanted to say thanks for getting it right. I don’t get the other writers on here that like to have something to say but obviously didn’t follow the cvs hearings.

    Who gives a hoot if Walgreens goes belly up or now, cvs owns the land at airport road and plans on building their store there. I don’t care if someone believes sedona needs one more drug store because cvs owns the land at airport road and plans on building their store there.

    as for BJ, you picked up on a very good point, why would cvs need a liquor license if they weren’t going to build. Like I said, cvs owns the land at airport road and plans on building their store there.

    as for the writing from sharlett, perhaps you can call what cvs did bully tactics but not me. I live here you obviously you don’t.

    sharlett maybe you don’t get it. the whole issue is not about any of the trash you posted, it’s about which store design we want and if we go with plan 2, we will be getting a bunch of houses. Nothing more and nothing less.

    Why don’t you go back to blaming the CoC for CVS, you blame the CoC for everything else. How about you realize that in reality the CoC is responsible for chemical trails and behind the smart meters.

  14. Kevin W. says:

    Sure it would be nice if that land could remain as is. But it isn’t an option. Why is CVS, either plan, worse than the Galloway proposal approved a few years ago? It would have been two story with retail of over 10,000 sq. ft. on the bottom and 8,000 plus feet for second floor residential, similar to the strip mall next to Pizza Picasso. No zone change was required for that one so those skeptics who think CVS is bluffing about building on just the one acre better think twice.

    Although the Chamber scandal isn’t the topic here, others have brought it up and rightfully so. That disgusting waste of time, energy and especially tax dollars for the tons of reasons that continue to pop up should probably remain in the number one spot for the most scandalous situation in Sedona’s history. And the beat goes on.

    Where’s the public outcry at City Hall from businesses and residents about that one? And yes, why wasn’t a thorough polling of ALL legitimate Sedona based businesses, including lodging of course, done prior to that costly and disgraceful decision? And keep in mind, the current city council was bought and paid for by that clique! Check the campaign committee funding on record at City Hall if you don’t believe it.

  15. Matt says:

    Folks it’s a drug store! Would you rather drive to Cottonwood to fill your perscriptions? That is essentially what it boils down to… Now that you’ve moved here, close the gate! Right?

  16. shareltt says:

    @Kevin W: Wow – talk about deflecting from the real issue! Please stay on topic!

    You also attempt to deflect and take off on other non topics: FYI: you correctly stated: “Although the Chamber scandal isn’t the topic here”, I submit that neither is Pizza Picasso and the Paul Galloway pitch and approval which was just an under funded Developer’s Speculative scam trying to make a profit once Paul rolled his approved zoning to a buyer. His approval has absolutely Nothing to do with the current proposals as I believe Paul G went upside down and under on all his supposed “good for our community” approvals and met none of his time stamp requirements.

    If I recall correctly: the Paul Galloway approval had – through City ordinance’s, regulations and agreements – a time frame to meet to begin development – which he did not. Doesn’t that mean the entire property returns to original zoning? Seems so as CVS has seen it that way with Plan A and Plan B.

    Plan B attempts to threaten us with a 1 acre commercial development and 4 acres of residential which is the Original and Current Zoning and has nothing to do with Paul’s gamble. The reference to the so called strip mall next to Pizza Picasso makes no sense at all. So what’s your point?

    What no one seems to get is how BIG Corp CVS is and to what lengths they will go to in order to get their Way, once they were shot down.

    A Liquor License approval? Cool – as there is no building to put it in. Makes no sense as it should have been put off to any meeting after some approval for CVS.

    CVS reminds me of the Three Little Pigs: just Huffing an Puffing and Trying to Blow our town down (for their financial benefits) …as they forget or ignore that they are not our neighbor – just wanting to drain, by Their choice, of hitting a spot on a map – revenues from us who really do have vested interests here.

    The Most egregious issue is that the CVS developer, with the Red Rock News Owners just salivating (who owns all the commercial land just south of CVS corner and a city approval will Immediately cause their – RRN – property values to rise, Rise, RISE) – now invites folks to take their names off the Petition that called for and caused the Majority vote on Council – as seen on Front page of RRN on Friday.

    My experience is that all Big Corps just feel anointed by their own self elevated positions and actually believe they can “play with” our dumb City and citizens in order to get their way – as their brains, etc, are much Smarter than ours. Huh?

    It’s called Money Honey! It’s not about living up to small town qualities or being our good neighbor any other benefit for our residents….

    ………..It’s all about THEIR profits.

  17. William S says:

    One thing interesting here is the distinct difference in attitude about “polling” and the City Attorney’s reference to “arm twisting.” His explanation in the matter of CVS and the other property owners is well taken, that the discussion about the recall of the petition should remain with them. However, what about the ongoing “arm twisting” by the C of C in forcing city based businesses, those collecting city taxes, to become members in order to be represented in the city financed C of C Visitors Center? Why is blatant arm twisting OK in that instance?

    BTW, I will patronize CVS whichever plan if for no other reason than to avoid the congestion at the Coffee Pot intersection.

    Thank you.

  18. Bobbie says:

    At least some of this city council has gone on record they have no use for retirees.

    But since when didn’t the city taxes we pay specially at drug stores for non-grocery items not add to the coffers?

    Not that it matters, but as a recently retired but long time Sedona resident I resent those who claim CVS will not benefit those who live here.

    All too often unless you shop at Walgreens the day a delivery comes in a lot of their stuff isn’t in stock. Therefore I (yes, a retired resident versus tourist) will welcome a second option which in turn will prevent a second car trip to get what Walgreens was out of in the first place.

    Please don’t misunderstand, Walgreen’s is great but I’ve been told on several occasions their scheduled deliveries to this area have been cut back and thats the reason for frequent supply and demand imbalance.

    Let the decision be made as presently set forth by those residents that signed the petition. Let them decide which plan they prefer since CVS will obviously soon be available. How many tourists come to Sedona to shop at CVS? Oh, maybe for booze which is why they made getting a liquor license high priority? Whatever . . .

  19. Roni Jensen says:

    I would like add something to what Bobbie said, I am a retiree and my medical ins says that I can only use CVS for my drugs. For the past year my friends and I make monthly trips to Cottonwood CVS. This becomes a big difficult when I or we get colds or something that doesn’t need a refill.

    I thank my stars that CVS is coming to town.

  20. Judith says:

    Thank you to those who speak out and this is my first occasion.

    Finally Sedona is doing something beneficial for residents and not only for the hated “retirees.” Don’t children also need medications on occasion?

    And for the record, about the expert who blasted big corporations, doesn’t Walgreen’s fall into that category?

  21. Wow. That is just great that an insurance company can control freedom of choice in the United States by making you pick up your drugs at thier buddies’ store.
    What is the name of the insurance company so I can boycott them?

  22. Sharrlet

    Here we go again…Sharlett and Roni’s loss of freedom are the same person..As usual Sharlett writes a posts and follows it up by two or three fake posts using different names..For those that don’t kbow, Sharrlett(fake name) has an issue with everything…..She’s a hate monger and suffers from “I’m a victim syndrome”..Please disregard her and her rants entirely..This has been a public service announcement for all…

  23. SAY WHAT? says:

    @ RONI’S LOSS OF FREEDOM. Speaking of “freedom of choice,” isn’t it Roni’s option to select the insurance company of her preference?

    Get a grip and stick to the subject: CVS is coming to Sedona. Period.

  24. Roni Jensen says:

    To the unnamed person who questioned my insurance plan, I agree but I have Obama Care to thank for that. I don’t need any slamming comments, I’m not happy with what I have but it’s the best I can afford at my age and on a very limited pension

  25. Barb says:

    To anyone who criticizes Roni or anyone else who actually pays for medical insurance and isn’t receiving undeserved entitlements, I say shame on you. Those that shamelessly make mean spirited comments, be it Sharlett or aliases as West Sedona Resident claims, maybe you are among the self-appointed elite that continues to think they know everything about everything.

    One thing that’s being pretty clearly pointed out here is that not all folks are against the CVS. The future meeting when a decision will be made whether plan A or plan B will be the choice should be interesting. Please Sedona Eye let us know the results.

    Thank you for the comprehensive report of the April 14th meeting and especially the transcript of the dialog between City Attorney Mike Goimarac and Councilman Mark DiNunzio. Very interesting as is the question of why the city gives money to the chamber of commerce and allows them to use public funds to twist arms and force membership. Isn’t that going against the policy stated by the city attorney?

    Roni, ignore the snide remarks. You have many on your side and applaud you for speaking out.

  26. I am not the same Barb that posts comments in the VOC. Although they seem to have their own problems out there, it still sounds like probably a better place to live than what incorporated Sedona has become. Just my opinion, mind you.

    Barb in City Limits

  27. sharlett says:

    @West Sedona resident – I am so very flattered that you think I write one comment and then sit back and think up 2 or 3 other names to continue to write with – as If I have no better way to utilize my time. Bottom line is you are just paranoid and delusional!

    IF I write – I use my name of Sharlett and simply have no time to play games like you do of several fake names.

    Gotta just ask you why you are so angry at me? Did I turn you down or ???

  28. I don’t understand why the residents are being repolled. The original vote was for Changing the Zoning, which would have given CVS a larger store and changed the rest of the area from residential to commercial, which eventually would increase the value of the additional area. Yes we were told that it would be open space for perpetuity, which doesn’t necessarily mean forever. It was voted down. At the end of that meeting it was said by the CVS Agent and the Mayor ‘a gas station is interested’, ‘a gas station will go in there’, etc., to show the residents what a mistake they made and to throw in a bit of fear.

    Then between that meeting and the April 14th meeting CVS bought all the land anyway and are still promising to build even if the store is smaller. And this is where I have a problem with CVS. No, not for building. It’s Their land now and they can do anything on it they ‘ld like. The problem I have is that the whole scenario turned very dark, and this wonderful company that wanted to be a part of the community instantly went to fear tactics and in My thinking, blackmail. The lovely store that was designed to fit into our City, even if smaller, instantly went to a generic ugly store. The soft signage went to glaring generic which has nothing to do with size. The enclosed drive-thru would take no more room on a smaller store, nor would the reduced hours they had originally promised. They showed their ugly side and went straight to the throat of Sedona, all the time being echoed by our Mayor. Of course CVS would not want to continue with a promise of sidewalk and all the extra perks they promised including Being a Good Neighbor.

    I for one will not be shopping there, and haven’t set foot in Wal-Greens for years. Both have very expensive pharmaceuticals compared to Basha’s and Safeway. And as for liquor I think we have gotten along just fine until now.

    BTW I am not one of the neighboring residents, as I live over 2 1/2 miles away.

  29. The sad state of affairs with Sedona is its inability to control its growth and zoning. This is not the great city that brought McDonalds and others to its knees and kept out – it can’t even stand up to CVS, not a big player and did it for miniscule city tax revenue at too high a scenic cost. I pity you Sedona. You are not power, you are power less. Pay attention Arizona and Verde Valley. They are selling your meal ticket. Plan financials accordingly.

    Did anyone find out when the Walgreens building will be vacated?

  30. Sharlett

    Your a liar…. Plain and simple..Turn your down….get over yourself..
    I am sure that anyone who knows anything about you would be Turned Off by the BS that you emit..BTW sedona eye readers..my last post is 100 percent correct..

  31. BJ says:

    Responding to W. Pei, Tiberon, Walgreens hasn’t yet announced the locations they will be closing. However with stores in Sedona, Cottonwood, Flagstaff, and maybe Camp Verde? it seems likely they don’t need so many in this immediate area. We will just have to wait and see.

  32. Just Sayin' says:

    @Sharlett

    Your nose grows 12 inches.

    You keep telling us folk who ADMIT that we use fake names how your real name is Sharlett yet you refuse to give your real name so we can believe you.

  33. BORING says:

    Why is it three self-indulging individuals must continue on with their personal slams and grudges that spoil otherwise interesting and beneficial exchanges from more courteous contributors? It doesn’t seem to matter what the subject of the articles, their constant indulgence is BORING.

    Maybe they are all one and the same and their target is to discourage Sedona Eye readers from visiting the site? Or maybe they are spies from Sedona Red Rock New? (just joking)

    Seriously, knock if off and grow up. All three of you. PLEASE!

  34. Just Sayin' says:

    @Boring

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!

    you are so right the comments by Sharlett and her alter ego (s) are ruining this site for us with all of her rude comments.

  35. sharlett says:

    @BORING

    Thanks for your input. Yet just have to let you know that my intent has never been to discourage readers from visiting the Sedona Eye site. Quite the opposite!

    You call me “self-indulging”? Nope, not me. I’ve no need to reply to this site other than attempting to provide facts and an alternative way to view what our city and regional chamber calls their facts—-Their way of deluding us of reality for their benefits is the issue.

    Seriously – BORING – how about you allowing two posters (Just Sayin’ and West Sedona resident) the opportunity to continue to look like fools who never use their names?

    …..and how did you become the oracle of what is right or wrong?

  36. We got this. You don’t have to worry about the rest of us. We ignore who we want. We comment on what we want. Like I said. We got this. Keep it real.

  37. Jody says:

    Yes beware of promises made by developers. Remember Nepenthe was supposed to be “affordable” housing. However apparently details of that commitment slipped through the cracks and those units were sold for second homes or re-sales to make a profit.

    The land trade at the Cultural Park was “in perpetuity” never to be used for commercial development. Anything in concrete about that commitment? NOT! Just wait until Western Gateway is developed. And you think traffic is bad now.

    The question remains as to the seriousness of the pledge by CVS to maintain the additional acreage as a buffer to residential “in perpetuity” is solidified by a legal no-break sort of policy.

    We already have two examples of “arm twisting.” One doesn’t allow it by the city taking a poll. The other the city sanctions it by allowing public funds to be spent for the “official” (as identified by former councilor Barbara Litrell) Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center who “arm twists” city businesses to become a member “or else” they do not get featured in Chamber’s promotion.

    Why is this? It appears the new city manager might have a plate full of vermin he may know nothing about. Let’s hope he can redirect the ongoing massacre of Sedona residents and city-based businesses out of the darkness and into the light.

  38. Let’s not forget the citizen’s group (committee) working behind the scenes to turn the sewer plant acreage into the unknown.

    Resort? Disneyland? Timeshares? Housing? Another performance pavilion? Ball parks? Who knows?

    But ALL plans will lead to MORE TRAFFIC! Exactly what Sedone does NOT need as those in power remain clueless about ways to fix existing problems.

    Just how much worse must things get before mental elevators reach the top floor? The lights may be on but other than that there’s no indication anyone is at home. IMO of course.

  39. Just Prayin' says:

    Thank you @Jody. Promises were made and not kept. Great points about that. We can only hope and pray that the city of Sedona grows up and makes things a legal no-break policy. Citizens beware.

  40. BORING says:

    Sorry but it appears I didn’t make myself clear. What I was thinking when I posted my previous comment was that West Sedona Resident, Just Sayin, and Sharlett are one and the same, not knowing which names are the alleged other pseudos referenced by WSR. That being said I will end my participation in this BORING subject, thanking Bub Passwaters for the astute observation that Sedona Eye readers have the savvy to see beyond attempted manipulation.

  41. Sharlett says:

    My REAL name is Sharlett, regardless of what others say!!! My mother called me Sharlett..

    Also I am so much smarter than most on this site.

    If I slam you for your small minded posts it’s only because I’m trying to straighten you out..

  42. Just Sayin' says:

    @Sharlett:

    Blah Blah Blah Without giving your last name, it means nothing.

    And yes, my real name is not Just Sayin’ but then I never said it was.

  43. sharlett says:

    @Sharlett —– good try to try to screw with me!….but no bananas! You used my name incorrectly and I caught it….all you did was a cut and paste and then added your own garbage. The rest of your garbage is so distasteful that it is laughable and without any merit!

    How about you just sitting back and letting life roll on with free flow of comments and without all your negativity?

  44. sharlett says:

    one more thing I forgot to say

    I would like to say, Id like to apologize to all I have slammed on Sedona Eye.

    I fancy myself as a doer of good in my posts, however, I really am a hateful women with a victim mentality as well as a inferiority complex..

    This complex manifests itself in that I think Im the smartest person Im the world when in reality I spread misaligned half-truths, hateful daggers, and just outright lies.
    Screw you all who don’t share my hate and contempt.
    (whoops there I go again)

    Love you all sharlett

  45. sharlett says:

    P.S.

    I assure all those reading this site that someone usurped my good name as the above post from “Sharlett” is not mine. Thanks.
    sharlett

  46. Enough says:

    Once again we have posts by Sharlett (capital S), sharlett (small s), West Sedona Resident in variety of caps, non-caps, and similar repetitive comments with the same name and different spelling. And who really cares? Probably only those who submit the inane comments, completely off topic, which indicates the underlying purpose is to discredit Sedona Eye because what other reason could there be for this ongoing distraction?

    It was revealing when because of a recent post by Jean J. under the City article about injection wells I noted the same slurring comments appear attacking individuals who had nothing whatsoever to do with that article either.

    One might ask “why” and are these nasty comments actually coming from members of the City Council? City staff? Chamber of Commerce and/or Lodging Council members? If so the question arises, are these same people making similar attacks on other publications who currently feature similar revelations that don’t sit well with certain folks? Or maybe those publishers/editors don’t make such degrading input public?

    With apologies for even addressing this non-issue, it will conclude with the following: Enough.

  47. sharlett says:

    As I said it appears that someone has stolen the name Sharlett that my mother called me when I was a child..

    Unlike the cowards on this site who use fake names I use my and only mine…
    Trust me that Sharlett is my real name. It may seem strange to some that because I use my real(fake) 1st name and not my last name, that I think I’m better then the others on this site… There is a good reason for that ” because I am so much smarter than most who post here”
    I seem to be under the delusion that by using my real(fake) name is the same as a person using there first as well as thier last name..
    I am one crazy b…tch and have also been wrong about most of the posting I’ve done in the past..
    I own a buisness in town and I’m a member of the chamber of commerce.
    I love them..
    Thank you Sedona City concil for all your hard work.. I love you all and apologize for all my past hate rants

  48. Donna Varney says:

    I am interested in the opinion of the residents that live in this area. Are many of you changing your legal position in regards to the larger CVS?
    Can the City make it a legal agreement to maintain the open area permanently?

  49. steve Segner says:

    Donna, yes, it is in the agreement A notes will be in the file and no building permits can be taken out on the lots.
    steve

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