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Blaming Garbage Trucks for Sedona Road Conditions Is Absurd

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock

Sedona AZ (March 23, 2016)SedonaEye.com columnist Eddie Maddock shares an email sent to the City of Sedona City Council members:

From: Eddie Maddock

Date: 3/22/2016 7:33:13 PM

To: undisclosed-recipients

Subject:  SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING MARCH 23, 2016

TO: SEDONA CITY COUNCIL – March 22, 2016

RE: CITY CONTROL OF RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE REMOVAL

Chances of this additional writing at this late date were slim to none as most likely the possibility of it being read are even more remote.

However, having briefly reviewed the expanded agenda information to be presented at the meeting tomorrow afternoon, 3/23/16 at 3:00 PM, Council Chambers, certain elements are very distressing.

First, it seems quite disingenuous for you to claim concern for saving the earth when conditions in Sedona continue to degenerate on a daily basis. If such a concept were true, you would have long ago obtained fair RFP’s for other service contracts and made more efficient demands on the effectiveness of the service being provided. Case in point: How much has the recent contract with the Chamber of Commerce for “Destination Marketing” contributed to the ever-growing and obvious number of day-trippers that have for years become an increasing problem due to inadequate infrastructure to accommodate the vast numbers.

In fact, that hindrance is the main reason I’’ll not attend tomorrow’’s meeting. In order to get out of my subdivision onto SR179 just for shopping to accommodate needs for the entire Easter weekend, it was necessary for me to do so in the early morning hours and be home by noon. Traffic backup will be prohibitive this Wednesday afternoon to reach City Hall at 3:00 in the afternoon, especially considering this is the week before Easter Sunday.

garbage canThe obvious poor planning with the expansion of Tlaquepaque will exacerbate this already congested situation once completed. This is just one example of an active demonstration of realistically failing to practice what you preach: Conservation and sustainability of resources.

The focus of the witch-hunt in Staff’’s presentation is clearly directed at Taylor Waste for having done such a shameful thing as to notify their customers of the potential change in arrangement of Sedona’’s trash hauling. To put the blame on a company for displaying a competent business practice and then further insinuate it is only their customers opposing the proposal is unfounded and unfair.

Attempting to blame garbage trucks for damaging our roads is absurd. And to further imply that tourists, jeep tours, ATV’s, motor homes, moving and construction trucks do not invade our neighborhoods is simply not true. Garbage trucks, realistically, are among the least intrusive.

And you will save us money? Try to convince those of us within the estimated 85% who presently recycle that we will not be paying more for dragging out two bins weekly or biweekly, especially when we currently have efficient means to either support Sedona Recycles with assistance from their volunteers or in person.

Have you considered the effort it takes for those of us with dual hip replacements or other physical nuisances to drag one bin out and in every week let alone the added effort to do so with two?

What about those who leave Sedona for three or four months during the summer to vacation with families who will be denied the fairness of dropping the service during that period of time after the city takes over controlling garbage hauling? And no opt-out options?

But, of course, these questions were all raised during the public meetings and the answers remain void.

Some of us will never have need for bulk hauling, which is presently available through private enterprises on a needs basis.

Clearly it is your determination to force this on us, but kindly refrain from rationalizing and making inaccurate assumptions that objections are solely the result of the letters from Chris Taylor and being made by the customers of Taylor Waste. Going on record for not the first time here, it makes no difference to me who it is would get the bid. Denying the option to have a choice, the same as I had with getting service to my automobile this week, is insulting if not potentially damaging.

This has nothing to do with being “uneducated” or “ignorant” because we do not know the facts. Wake up. We see the writing on the wall. You are not practicing what you attempt to preach when you continue to approve for the demise and living conditions in Sedona, for both residents and tourists.

It obviously doesn’t matter to you how many residents move out of Sedona since you do little if anything to enhance our quality of life. I will no longer walk my dog in our neighborhood because of the filthy, ugly, almost dangerous patched roads, and heavy tourist traffic –- yes – within the neighborhood. No blame on garbage trucks is justifiable for this. Where is your great concern for protecting the environment? Selective and self-serving clearly is the answer to that.

Realizing none of this will make a difference because of your determination to manipulate the results of your public outreach to suit your desires, it really is sad that you are so insensitive and determined to take matters into your own hands with little to no regard for those of us paying the price in more ways than one. And by the way, weren’t you elected to represent our preferences even when they were not in sync with your own?

You will be making a decision affecting the lives of thousands of people for years to come such as was set in motion by a previous council when they entered into multiple year service contracts with yet to be determined valid statistics on the wisdom of those decisions. Of course this time when you opt to move forward it will be only $75,000 of public money –for something again we do not wish to have. But that will also be disputed by the use of your magical manipulative methods which are really far more transparent than you must realize.

Your choice will be either to serve the will of the people – and not the will determined by voodoo methods –or by using the option at your discretion of abuse of power – as in “this is what I think is best for the community.”

Sedona roads are designed for slow scenic views and sharing the road drives and maintenance caused by rushing waters, shifting ground, and mountainous terrain contribute to transportation issues.

Sedona roads are designed for slow scenic views and sharing the road drives and maintenance caused by rushing waters, shifting ground, and mountainous terrain contribute to transportation issues.

As time goes on and remembering how much my late husband loved Sedona, the one thing for which I’’m grateful is he isn’’t here to witness the demise of what we struggled so long and hard for – to make a living and remain here for so many years. To work for and promote the Chamber of Commerce, Library, Humane Society, Elks Club – and now for what? Everything we left big cities for has now consumed our once small town for powerful big city politics that will tell us what’’s best for us? Chuck, my dear husband, you missed only heartache by not living long enough to retire here.

With profound sadness that it became necessary to convey this, but the upside is I’’m in no position to play God and make choices for a bunch of stupid, ignorant people that can no longer think for themselves. How lucky for you to have that option and the arrogance of power to exercise it. Good luck and even better luck to future city councils that will inherent the ongoing questionable decisions being made in Sedona on a daily basis.

Need proof? Take a drive around town.

Eddie S. Maddock
39 Year Anniversary will be March 31

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301 Comments

  1. Wsr says:

    Oh JRN

    Your so full of yourself it’s hilarious….
    Up front guy.!!??? Is that why you post under Thought Proctologist…..

    Hot blonde? You talking about the old ….Tea Party chick with a permanent frown on her face from all her hating….

    Fake blonde ….yes. Hot….hell no

    Your overblown ego is you best personality feature…..
    Oh yea I forgot Gym Rat!!!!??? You give the Real gym rats a bad name…please get over yourself

  2. You said it was a done deal... says:

    Not for nothing but all you blabbers on SE always see the worst in every topic including the Trash Talk. I remember very clearly that when it came to the National Monument you all (or the few) were so sure that “it was a done deal” and you all slandered the council and in the end, all but Angela voted it down.

    So now after a real exploratory process the idea, that I really wanted btw, is dead. I watched the hearing on the internet and saw some very eloquent people speak. I love to recycle and would like to see more than the 20% that recycle do it as well. I except the city boards decision because it was made after studying the idea.

    I can tell you one thing, I am going to be making a much bigger donation to Sedona Recycling this year and I hope that you will do the same.

  3. West Sedona Dave says:

    BJ…

    There is a revolution brewing not only nationally but locally as well. This bias approach and insult to our local service providers in an attempt to stamp out free enterprise in not-so little Sedona is unacceptable and it needs to cease. And had the decision been made to move forward with the well-orchestrated plan, you can take some of the city profits you claim you never benefit from (that’s a joke) and bet it against the chances there wouldn’t have been an immediate ballot Referendum to overturn that council’s decision. Your ignorance exceeds your overbearing control – again my opinion.

    Thank you for this priceless screen shot…..You people havent a clue and then you lack the intellagence to even understand what you did…

    I tell you what, why dont you go to city hall, the county and spray paint you delusional rants!…..Then if you decide to hide and say you didnt mean it, you can be just like the Bundys who did the same thing and have 20 plus years to think about it!

    You people first need to get back to reality….Then some good family intervention.
    ==================================================
    As for the Segner hate…..Your stepping in waters that are to deep for you!….Let the man live his life and have his opinions!…..Isnt that what the Constitution says? or are you the types who only like the Constitution when it best serves you?
    I think the second part is proved over and over here!

    Good luck, your just not trolls, your leaving fingerprints and to stupid to know it!

  4. My 2 cents says:

    @ steve Segner
    You say “All along I have said the city and the city council were just doing a study, I said they would look at all the facts before any decision is made.”

    Since it was a “just a study” I suggest that You put Your money where Your mouth is and pay the $75,000 out of Your pocket for the Study. That would go along way to show us who You really are.

    As for the Council members, it seems that Tom Lamkin was the only one who took the decision in stride. On the other end of the spectrum was Jessica Williams who went off on the Residents “Big” time, and went on and on attacking those that were against the Trash take over. And to Her I say, Jessica, this is exactly why You were not reelected for Council. We are sick of You caring more about Your own distorted thoughts then the good of the City.
    Bye, bye…

    My sincere gratitude goes out to Chris Taylor and His Wife for the struggle They went through meeting all the City’s requirements for the bid, for the slamming They took from the City for advising Their customers, and for all Their personal time and most likely sleepless nights trying to save Their business. I suggest that anyone not already using Taylor Waste for their trash pick up, consider changing to Them, They’re the Best.

  5. @West Sedona Dave says:

    Then stop DICTATING to us Steve-Dave!!!!!!!! Your comments are obnoxious just as Jessica W are. You think that only your old farts are allowed to speak up. Goons communists! BTW even your own family doesn’t like your OPINIONS! hahahaha the things they say :) :) crack up

    You don’t even live in the city limits! I don’t care a Fu what your opinion is you ain’t my neighbor. Your group is stealing from the residents. How does it feel to be the most hated person in the verde valley? Slime bucket

  6. With all due respect says:

    With all due respect why would anyone listen to Steve , Dave,WSR, or any manipulative person? He doesn’t live in the city. We have significant conflict of interests here. He doesn’t even own real business. His actions speak louder than his words as in reality he did he wouldn’t be begging for the city to pay for his advertising. Any REAL business would never ask nor would they use a system to scam money from the taxpayers. The problems we have were created by him the regional chamber. Repeat: Any successful, honest, real business wouldn’t ask.

  7. GNS, Sedona says:

    @With all due respect . . . In my opinion the blame for this sordid, ongoing mismanagement of City of Sedona – the incorporated area – designated by state law as the legitimate area to be operated under city rule – is created by those making decisions at city hall. Specifically, elected members of the city council and put into action by various departments of city government. The chamber of commerce is not, never has been, a part, parcel, or branch and has no business representing Sedona City Limit residents! It is a special interest, member driven organization. Period.

    Unless and until elected officials come off their high pedestals and refrain from expanding their self-designated area to include “Greater Sedona” nothing will change. That is why those you mention @With all due respect, continue to call the shots and rule the roost. Remember the old saying “No honor among thieves?” Well quite possibly Sedona is a prime example of that trite but true definition.

    As long as the legitimate voting residents of Sedona tolerate it nothing will change. The buck stops with the city council. If public funding – tax revenue – had been properly allocated for taking care of essentials first, and not every non-profit solicitation in the Verde Valley, chances are we wouldn’t be faced with our very serious infrastructure deficiencies at this present time.

    When we read of our elected officials socializing with the Hoity Toity self proclaimed Sedona dignitaries living in fancy ranches in Oak Creek Canyon, it’s very clear who and why these same people not only hog the space on Sedona Eye with their inappropriate comments but they do so with confidence, knowing they have the members of at least the past two city councils in their palms, with their own palms in the deep financial pockets at city hall.

  8. Give it a rest already says:

    @GNS

    On and on and on and on, I can see why you’re so upset I really can.
    I can see that you are upset with the city board.
    I can see that you are upset with Steve Segner.
    I can see that you are upset with the CoC.

    maybe it’s time for you to admit that this city is not going to go the way that you like. No amount of crying.
    No amount of bitching.
    No amount of whining will change anything. I understand that you have a strong right to give your opinion and that’s just fine so maybe it’s just time to leave Sedona for a deserted island someplace. Where it’s just you and only you.

  9. West Sedona Dave says:

    I am amazed at the pure ignorance and lack of reading comprehension here….

    I have not called to silence anyone…..For those who just spew the same silly argument do something about it…..You got it all figured out in your feeble minds!
    If the city of Sedona is doing something wrong…Get a hold of Yavapai county or the states attorney…..Is that so hard? or are you just that ignorant?

    The louder you yell doesn’t mean that your somehow more right…..Get a grip, get off your asses and solve this incredible problem that you see through your yes!

    I have warned people to be careful of there on line rhetoric…..I see that one individual smartened up, but even if you use another name, you leave a trace behind that goes right back to you……(even if you post at a library)….Stupid talk of over throwing your government is down right funny and dangerous!……and Ive made sure to take screen shots, so if need be I will gladly help out the authority’s …..If you think your constitution covers you on harming another person, or implying some “remedy” you have not a clue how the real modern world works…..

    Enjoy your weekend, maybe celebrate you can keep your garbage collector…As trivial and stupid as it is!!!…Get a grip, get a life, and hope all your hate doesn’t bring on a horrible disease…..

  10. GNS, Sedona says:

    Responding to @GNS – Does the truth hurt? When it smacks you in the face apparently you cannot stand the sting so you continue attempting to twist and spin the reality of the situation. Remember, please, Sedona, as an incorporated city, does not stand alone as a sovereign country, as apparently the members of this city council believe and you, yourself, believe. Ignorance is bliss? Maybe, until the jig is up and then don’t whine when penalties are imposed. Read the State Statutes and you might learn something.

  11. SB 1487 says:

    The state of Arizona has recognized that cities have been abusing their powers. They have passed a few laws to assist the citizens in maintaining equality and enforce that cities and towns follow the laws. Too many cities and towns have abused the laws as Sedona does.

    Hang in there @GNS as Sedona is obnoxious in its treatment and behavior to the in-city businesses and residents. They have abused their powers. Incorporation was not supposed to be for those inside the incorporated area to pay while those outside play with municipality funding and functions.

    Those that have sucked and wesselbutted their way will pay. You are definitely not alone, a majority of honest hard working citizens that have integrity stand together with you on these issues. It is the vocal controlling minority that are benefiting from city coffers that spew hatred and tell people to leave as they fear penalties. In reading the posts and it became clear who they are. Millions of dollars are being diverted into special interests.

  12. Can't Stop Laughing says:

    @ SB 1487 …..”Those that have sucked and wesselbutted their way will pay.”

    Oh my, that MUST go down as a classic – Brilliant. What else is there to say?

  13. What's Wrong With This Scenario? says:

    Chamber of Commerce CEO Jennifer Wesselhoff stands up at council meetings and justifies the policy of not allowing licensed, tax collecting legitimate City of Sedona businesses to place their promotional advertising in HER visitors center unless they are members of HER Sedona based regional special interest group, even though this city pays $300,000 a year to support it? She (Wesselhoff) maintains they must “pay to play.”

    And what about the multitude of businesses outside city limits that obviously are not licensed in the City of Sedona, and do not contribute to city and related state tax bases? Why is it OK for them to play for free? Well, not exactly. Free for them but a rip-off to legitimate incorporated businesses.

    Welcome SB 1487. You have been conspicuous by absence for far too long.

  14. What's with SB1487 says:

    Put your money where your mouth is. If you think for a second that SB 1487 pertains to what YOU are talking about then get on the phone, send an email or write a snail mail and make that complaint. You’ll see real quick that you’d be wasting your time.

    If you read what SB 1487 really says you’d see that it says none of that. It means that if a town goes against the laws enacted from the STATE (and only the state) then and only then is there an issue. I was told that one case is when Flag banned plastic bags when the STATE government would not support any plastic bag laws.

    All of you (or the vocal minority that you really are) just like to spin issues out of control just to get a few minutes on SI.

  15. Jim Poole says:

    Don’t be fooled by those calling you names. Bullies and manipulative people.

    New catch phase
    “Those that have sucked and wesselbutted their way will pay.”

    It really fits those stealing from you. You’re paying for their business expenses. So they can play around without any checks and balances. The destruction of Sedona. They are the reason you can’t drive through town, day trippers are the results.

    Thank you @SB 1487

  16. An Observation says:

    As an objective reader from the outside, let’s go back to the subject at hand: Garbage. From what I read on Sedona Eye, Sedona the same as some other cities and towns looked into having their own control over garbage collection, and apparently for reasons offered they have now backed away from that.

    As the comments expand further to include outlying areas (beyond the city limits of Sedona) it appears those territories are well situated and in excellent positions based on the mind-set of Sedona internal governance to benefit from “entitlements” which has become a national way of life.

    As I understand it, they (those outlying areas) were not included for consideration of the city-wide garbage pick-up service and had that reached a positive outcome those same people would have been off the hook for contributing to the city coffers via monthly garbage collection bills as they now have free promotional advertising courtesy of the tax paying residents and businesses within the incorporated area.

    As the entitlement policy has been extensively used nationally, some would say even abused, it simply seems the incorporated City of Sedona has jumped on that band wagon and agrees to extending their financial wealth over and above the call of duty, even when it is detrimental to tax collecting businesses, residents, and ultimately the quality of life for those residing within the city limits. Is that correct?

    One last question: Has Sedona been declared the status of being a Sanctuary City? If the answer is no, it would lead to the question of “Why not?” since it surely appears that is the belief and policy by which it is presently functioning.

  17. Suggestion to City Hall says:

    The city of Sedona needs a new law to bring us ALL back to why the city was incorporated. This new law will save the City millions, resolve traffic issues along with assisting the legitimate residents and legitimate businesses. It is very clear that the incorporated area and the focus of a city duties is lost in Sedona. The city council uses (at every CC meeting) personal opinions and personal ideas.

    ORDINANCE NO. 2016-Fair
    AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SEDONA, ARIZONA, AMENDING THE CITY CODE CHAPTER FAIR. FAIR ( INCORPORATED CITY LIMITS FOCUS); PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS; AND PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ANY ORDINANCE OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES OR CODE PROVISIONS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH “SUCKING AND WESSELBUTTING PROHIBITED”
    WHEREAS, it is the intention of the City Council to provide further clarity and ease of administration of those provisions set forth in Chapter FAIR. Relating to funding special interest groups AKA SUCKING AND WESSELBUTTING

    The city of Sedona will stop all City Councilors from saying “I”. The city of Sedona will prohibit ALL funding of special interests saving the city of sedona 4.5 Million a year. The city of Sedona will disclose all gifts in their annual reports and make these gifts a voting item every year. This includes free land use, building uses and the reasons for such useage.

    Thank you for a great descriptive and accurate way of wording it @ SB 1487

    Time to take our city back!

  18. A Voice from VOC says:

    Be assured had incorporated City of Sedona taken control and gone with a one service garbage hauler in all probability it would have made a negative impact on those of us outside city limits but within the same school and fire DISTRICTS. Our monthly bills very likely would have increased most likely substantially if we were serviced by a company that was not awarded the contract with the city.

    Being aware the first time a vote for incorporation occurred and failed and which INCLUDED the entire school and fire districts, I must admit it’s amusing to witness how this city continues to embrace us and is so kind and generous with their city financed contract with the regional chamber of commerce that gives us equal advertising publicity, even though we do not contribute to the city tax base.

    In fact your mayor recently went public with extensive defense for Sedona’s tax money to be spent outside city limits and the following statement is only one example of several she made in an article on Sedona.Biz displaying her devotion and dedication to Greater Sedona and the Verde Valley:

    “She said city boundaries are irrelevant when it comes to the area’s benefit.”

    Apparently our financial assistance isn’t necessary. It’s only required by you stupid voters that agreed to your city limits and pay for us to play in your grand scheme of things. We benefit – you are the losers.

    Thank you, Chumps, and so sorry for you dimwits that voted for incorporation. Keep paying as we continue to reap free benefits. Very generous indeed.

  19. Barbara says:

    Make your case without sounding like rat pack idiots. If SB14870is applicable let it be used or hold the peace. I want everyone to vote in every election and then every voice is heard.

  20. Anonymous says:

    We can add the following to the Mayor’s self-serving claim that “…boundaries are irrelevant when it comes to the area’s benefit.”

    “Think regionally to support and grow the Verde Valley economy.”

    This last travesty is one of the seven strategies listed by Molly Spangler, Director of Economic Development (a new City position), in her PLANNING OUT A BETTER ECONOMY City Talk article of October 26th in the local pulp rag.

  21. GLORY BE! says:

    Sedona, Arizona, (incorporated city that is) – the be all do all – today the entire Verde Valley. Tomorrow the WORLD!

    Glory Be and Hallelujah! What will be next? The city council renaming to “Sanctuary Sedona – Welcome All – No Borders or Fences Here, by Golly . . . ”

    Oly-oly-oxen-free From the German “All All in come free”.

  22. steve Segner says:

    Anonymous says:
    October 31, 2016 at 9:35 am
    We can add the following to the Mayor’s self-serving claim that “…boundaries are irrelevant when it comes to the area’s benefit.”
    “Think regionally to support and grow the Verde Valley economy.”

    There is nothing self-serving, in the mayors comment she is correct, Sedona is part of the valley and visitors come to the Area not just Sedona.

    You would have us built a wall… to keep people out .
    ss

  23. GLORY BE! says:

    Glory be, a dream come true?

    The solution to “destination marketing.” Just one or two national ads promoting Sedona as a Sanctuary City and your dreams will become reality Wsr, WSR, wSR. SS, sS, ss, Dave, West Sedona, etal. No fuss – no muss – and the beauty is the advertising will be cheap, leaving a huge chunk of that recent $2.01 million available for developing The Dells into that Pilgrimage thingy that J. Thompson wants so badly and which will include free housing providing the occupants are willing to work the fields to grow their own vegan food. Now that’s a sure thing to bring in the destination tourists, that will stay forever.

    As for the ongoing BS from SS, this “regional” concept is a bit lopsided since it is the Sedona tax base that apparently is providing funding for the entire Verde Valley. Even down in Scottsdale where you love to make comparisons, you do not tell the truth. The marketing group down there is from a legitimate cooperative organization and not the Scottsdale Chamber of Commerce. And why is it you, yourself, didn’t suggest the Sanctuary City designation as a means to attract destination tourists since you are the brains(?) behind the chamber/city contract. Maybe you could offer your “just trust us” services to APS?

  24. steve segner says:

    GLORY BE! says:

    October 31, 2016 at 3:53 pm
    The solution to “destination marketing.” Just one or two national ads promoting Sedona as a Sanctuary City and your dreams will become reality Wsr, WSR, wSR. SS, sS, ss, Dave, West Sedona, etal
    All good idea, lets work on it.

  25. Robert O'Donnell says:

    What I find interesting is that the council got duped by the contractor that got paid to review the possibility to have a single hauler trash collection. If that company was worth its weight, it should have known the price break for a city of this size would not yield a significant savings. Instead they promoted the idea the city could save citizens lots of money by producing a monopoly and thus a nice paycheck for themselves for doing citizen outreach and then an RFP. The city and the community should demand a refund of part of the fees paid because that company misrepresented what would happen should the city put out an RFP, which they helped structure.

  26. City Limits Matter says:

    Those of you thinking Sedona has the say about what goes on in the entire Verde Valley are wrong. For example, the city owned property, the Dells, is outside city limits and therefore whatever development is planned for that area must be approved by Yavapai County. So, no, the big shots at Sedona City Hall cannot just randomly decide to make it a Pilgrimage Site or anything else without consent from the county. And the same is true about reopening Red Rock Crossing or creating any other alternate routes outside city limits. That also holds true for improving or controlling the road up Schnebly Hill. That is USFS property so Sedona planners cannot just move in and do what they jolly-well please. And the same is true with 89A through Oak Creek Canyon. They have no jurisdiction there – period. So, Madam Mayor Moriarty and Steve Segner etal, you are wrong. You do not have the right to continue intruding and sticking your noses into wherever you so choose. Wise up.

  27. Gina says:

    Let’s work on it. I am a vegan and was drawn to the presentation on developing a sustainable space out at the Dells. It is a fabulous idea to make Sedona a Sanctuary city. It will bring many here.

  28. MMICROWAVE RADIATION CITY says:

    Better start attending your council meetings. Your city is about to become immersed in 24/7 no escape cell tower microwave radiation and it will NOT be a place people come to de stress and see nature but rather amp up. So sad. No rest for the wear travelers. Just microwave currents. Go to the businesses next to uptown fire house and ask them how the nonstop radiation has affected their health.. go ahead.
    in the streets, in the parking lots, in the woods and on the creek.YAHHHHHHH.
    The mayor is supporting Verde Valley only because they(outlying cities and towns) don’t need Sedona anymore since people are fleeing once they get here because of the traffic.
    She also wants the red rock crossing alternate route and that is in Big Park.
    Happy implosion, poor planners.

    Stay within your city limits and fix your own self made catastrophes.

  29. @ Robert O'Donnell says:

    Council did not get “duped.” by the contractor. Council duped themselves by their own ignorance and hubris, then found a contractor who gave the duped fools what they wanted.

    “You can’t cheat an honest man.” ~ W.C. Fields

  30. steve Segner says:

    Gina says:
    November 1, 2016 at 7:58 am
    Let’s work on it. I am a vegan and was drawn to the presentation on developing a sustainable space out at the Dells. It is a fabulous idea to make Sedona a Sanctuary city. It will bring many here.
    fyi
    The new park planned for park Brewer rd will have several community garden spots , I agree the dells on city land would have been great (perhaps some day)

  31. Jerry, Sedona City Limits says:

    Based on the intense grilling and demands in the RFP’s placed on the garbage haulers it’s amazing that any of them bid for the job. But, of course, for at least one provider it almost represented an ultimatum for sustaining a family owned business that has, through hard work and meticulous management, become a success.

    And as for concern about saving money to residents, I say “Hogwash!” You just better believe that if it had worked out for a profitable return to the CITY the outcome would have been much different. So they spent $75,000 for the study. Peanuts in their minds since it’s almost that same annual amount given to Red Rock Theatre for use of a city-owned facility. And yet at least one council member wailed at the suggestion to set aside $125,000 to the police department to provide a safe room to maintain their firearms.

    And so the beat goes on. Free money to outside incorporated Sedona, attempt to control state highways and USFS lands, and a veiled motive for attempting to save the residents money for having their garbage and recycles hauled away. Nice try but your mode of operation was as rank as the sleaze spouted by the carnival barker that presented the defective plan.

  32. Alarmed says:

    MMICROWAVE RADIATION CITY is spot on. The Consultant is trying to convince the City Council to authorize an absurd number of wireless towers and, thus far, there are have been no objections from Council.

    CityScape calculates 18 towers (8 proposed on City property) and their base stations and transmission equipment are needed to keep up with standards and demand over the next 10 years by claiming Sedona is urban density vice rural density. Rural density requires half as many towers according to CityScape, but even 9 is pure insanity. In fact, CityScape’s “Existing Wireless Inventory” already includes 16 towers Inside the City and 7 Outside the City.

    The potential City sites are located on Buena Vista Drive, Stations West Drive, Soldiers Pass Road, OS W Park Ridge Drive, Jordan Road, Contractors Road, El Camino Road, Stanley Steamer Drive, Sinagua Drive, Roadrunner Drive, Pinon Drive, Northview Road, Sunset Drive and Shelby Drive.

    The WHO and its International Agency for Research on Cancer; the USFDA; the Academy of Environmental Medicine; and Best EMF Health.org are among the numerous organizations that fail to concur with CityScape’s BS that “RF exposure is so low that human and animal health is not affected.”

    The City Council must not be allowed to turn Sedona into the wireless hub for the Verde Valley.

  33. NOT SO FAST! says:

    A trip down memory lane might reflect a time when a vote for incorporation failed and was only approved the next go-round because VOC and RRX-ing areas were among those in the Sedona Oak Creek Unified School & Fire Districts that were omitted from city limits. And that’s when the vote to incorporate succeeded – without us.

    We wanted no part of you then and we in the RRXing, Elmersville, and other 86336 zip codes outside city limits want nothing to do with you now.

    Not speaking for the Village of Oak Creek, of course, who may now relish the attention they are getting from Mayor Moriarty, unlike when they shouted down Mayor Alan Everett at a meeting about 15 years ago when tested about their interest to annex into Sedona City Limits.

    At a standing room only meeting held in the old VOC Clubhouse, fists were shaking and some shouted “Go home – you are NOT OUR mayor!” But, of course, the official City of Sedona wasn’t quite so lavish back in those days to flourish publicity and promote only those members of a now regional chamber of commerce, no matter where they are located, in favor of their own city’s tax collecting businesses.

    However, not so true for those of us on the other side of Red Rock Crossing. No, we resent your meddling in development of our area without our consent and if you don’t believe it check with our own organization:

    * Red Rock – Dry Creek Community Plan: Approved by Yavapai County 1992.

    Those who think they can simply dictate what will be developed at The Dells are mistaken. Get it?

    You cannot even manage your legitimate territory as proven by the massive traffic congestion YOU have created. Not to mention the number of failed businesses as proven by the vast number of empty commercial store fronts.

    Plant your gardens at your Brewer Road Park, if you must, but drop the idea of a Pilgrimage Site at the Dells at least until you have extended the courtesy of checking with those of us that will be primarily impacted. You’ve already destroyed your own quality of life. LEAVE US ALONE!

  34. @Alarmed says:

    Perhaps it’s time for you to replace your hearing aid. Did you not hear what the consultant said about a FEDERAL MANDATE that says the city can’t stop the installation of cell towers but can manage them!

    But of course I’m sure that the consultant is BS in your eyes.

    I can see the future now; if the the city did nothing to plan where those towers are put and all of a sudden Verizon started to put towers anyplace that they want, you’d be the same person saying that the city did nothing to protect the citizenry. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! I’m surprised that you’re not blaming the CoC for this also after all, isn’t everything that you don’t like blamed on the CoC????

    I understand what groups like WHO and AEM said in their findings BUT I don’t want one penny of my tax dollars spent fighting the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. It’s unrealistic to think that we would win. It’s sort of the stupid idea of the city telling every plane in the sky not to fly over Sedona because of the water vapor that is seen coming off of their wing tips MAY be deadly chemicals. This is why we have to vote down Prop 205. You’re all high on pot!

  35. steve Segner says:

    @Alarmed says:
    November 3, 2016 at 5:12 am

    Wow well said.

  36. Alarmed says:

    The City of Sedona is RURAL, not URBAN. The City’s Consultant, CityScape, is pushing twice as many towers as are required here by designating Sedona as urban. No one is insane enough to think taxpayer dollars should be used to fight the corrupt Federal Government.

  37. ALARMED says:

    I apologize to all readers of SE

    I’m an angry Tea Party member and I hate so so many things that i sometimes forget what I actually really really hate.. I’m a bit crazy.

    Also I post under alarmed cause I’m alarmed at everything…..my dog didn’t poop this morning and I’m ALARMED..

  38. ENTITLED says:

    We believe the city is picking spots so that when a carrier comes in for a new tower, they will get the rent dollars for the tower on their land. Its about money, not public health and safety.

    Truth be told the carriers will share only what Planning and Zoning ordinances require them to share and nothing more when they come in seeking a tower. Once any carrier gets a tower all other carriers are entitled to the same so times it all by four or more. They will never come down once installed.

    The city of Sedona has many ways to protect the residents and visitors but are not putting protective measures in place.

    The city of Sedona is also not entitled to public comment once the towers go up if there is a “modification”. Look around Sedona and bear witness to that.

    That was also how Bell Rock Plaza in the Village went from 2 to 12 antennas 35 feet off the ground, with four times the radiation of the fire station down the street because no one enforces compliance with the already grossly outdated measurements in place from the fcc. There is no accountability once it is installed. Local governments are turning a blind eye.

    This can all be managed with citizen engagement and up to date protective planning and zoning ordinances.

    When people show up, in our opinion,the carriers scatter like cockroaches in a light. They withdraw and come back later.
    In a way , when people show up, it is a perfect example of where there is light, darkness can no longer exist.
    In our opinion, it is a dark, untested. unproven technology that,in our opinion, is costing lives and when it does finally out the truth, cities, towns and planning and zoning commissioners will be held liable. It has been set up that way since 1996. The llc businesses that set up these towers for the carriers will for the most part not be held accountable with small exceptions.

    The area wildlife, plants and people are at risk just like everywhere else.
    Since a third of the residents opted for no microwave radiation in their homes, we should be gathering to keep this as slow moving as possible while new technology that is much safer rolls in.

    Do not be afraid of the dark. You are not going to be sued, That is a scare tactic that usually works on the timid and fearful.
    These people are nothing compared to you or us.

  39. @Alarmed says:

    I’ll start with my prior comment: Perhaps it’s time for you to replace your hearing aid or maybe you’re purposefully misleading us readers.

    After re-watching the council meeting that had the CityScape presentation, not once did I hear them “push” anything. What I did hear was them provide suggested locations for the council to choose from, some more desirable then others, that can be considered for tower locations. That’s a bit different don’t you think????

    Again, you need to stop smoking that funny stuff and stick to the facts.

  40. Alarmed says:

    CityScape has deemed Sedona to be URBAN, not RURAL, thereby requiring twice as many wireless towers. I.e., 18 with 8 on City property. Read the documents posted on the City Council’s 9-14-16 Mtg web pages for the facts.

    I agree with ENTITLED. “It’s about money, not public health and safety” and that the City of Sedona is “not putting protective measures in place.”

    The Academy of Environmental Medicine asks, among other things, “for Independent studies to further understand the health effects from EMF and RF exposure; Understanding and control of this electrical bombardment for the protection of society;” ETC.

    The WHO states most studies to date have focused on the RF exposures of mobile phone users and they do not provide enough information to allow a proper evaluation of human cancer risks from RF exposure.”

    The USFDA is studying radiation-emitting products. According to fda.gov’s Information for Health Care Professionals, “Because this technology continues to evolve and is more widely used, it is important to keep in mind the potential for interference with pacemakers, implantable cardiovascular defibrillators and other electronic medical devices.”

    PLEASE NOTE: The posting by ALARMED in caps is not mine. It’s a hoax.

  41. give it a break says:

    Give it a break @ss jw ko sw

  42. Eddie Maddock says:

    The following link relating to a post on Craigslist was forwarded to me and, of course, publication here is at the discretion of Sedona Eye Publisher/Editor. However, the contents, available to unknown numbers of people, might be of interest to the Sedona City Council and Staff. Maybe – maybe not.

    http://flagstaff.craigslist.org/rnr/5802181525.html

  43. steve Segner says:

    NOT SO FAST! says:
    November 2, 2016 at 2:47 pm
    It is ( not public health and safety), so move on and or just move, you are way out numbered on this issue.

  44. @ Entitled says:

    You make an excellent point!!!

    Allow me to understand this correctly, so if the city didn’t do every last ditch effort to generate revenue like charging rent to Verizon to use a city cell tower, you’d be ok with that???? In my book IT DANG WELL BETTER BE ABOUT THE MONEY!

    As for “public health and safety” I don’t see that as a city issue in this case because IT’S THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT’S MANDATING IT! Go take it up with Hilary or Trump or who ever wins.

    If you really want to do some good I would suggest that you contact those chem trails folks and see if you can both cry on each others shoulders.

    The rest of your comments make no sense at all so I won’t bother going any further. I’m guessing you’re another one who’s smoking too much of that funny tobacco either that or you just don’t have or want to have any facts. You’d rather just spout nonsense.

  45. NOT SO FAST! says:

    @steve Segner. Kindly point out specifically where in the comment I posted on Nov. 2 the following words appeared, as quoted in your reference:

    “NOT SO FAST! says:
    November 2, 2016 at 2:47 pm
    It is ( not public health and safety), so move on and or just move, you are way out numbered on this issue.

    Are you a big enough person to admit your mistake and apologize and adjust your complaint to the appropriate party and comment with which you take exception? One up side to this might be for SE readers to back track and actually read what I did offer (NOT SO FAST – 11/2) which had NOTHING to do with cell towers which appears to be the ax Mr. Segner is currently grinding. Check it out. You might actually learn something by reading truth and facts.

  46. WOO HOO & WOW says:

    Rarely do I take time to check out links offered in comments. However because of the implied doubt about whether SE publisher/editor would publish the one offered by Eddie Maddock, it piqued my curiosity – so I did read it.

    Although it includes hard core language, one outstanding feature prevails. It is well written, correct English – punctuation and grammar (even the profanities). Point being? The person that composed it was well educated but extremely angry. The observations were well taken and possibly the most important was the failed responsibility by those in charge to uphold probably the most profound faction of the Community Plan, even from the first draft. The specifics mentioned in the link provided were spot on in at least partially enumerating the failure of planners and enforcers to preserve the true beauty of Sedona along with the quality of life, for residents and tourists alike. The small town character has been destroyed.

    To the author of that questionable masterpiece, here’s a thumbs up and kudos from at least one reader of Sedona Eye. And it most assuredly is an indication that it isn’t only this online publication that down right frustrations about the demise of Sedona are being expressed.

  47. DB BUSTER says:

    Did you know the federal gov’t has a 5000 foot buffer zone for cell towers?
    Yavapai County has a 1000 foot buffer zone
    City of Sedona has a zone just big enough so that the tower doesn’t hit you when/if it falls.
    That is not promoting public health and safety. Its uneducated.

    I have noticed many of the political figures and some commenters here thrive in the sweep it under the rug mentality.

    Most enlightened people in the know can figure out that if the government did only one 20 minute daily exposure test on a 200 lb man in the early 90’s and have fought tooth and nail against any additional studies, THEY ARE HIDING FACTS.

    Why protest without real knowledge rather than try to learn Most of the residents want those last years of their lives. Living near a tower diminishes health.
    It could save your future grandchildren. Don’t be so ignorant.
    You have a lot of towers going in Oak Creek Canyon. Perhaps ask for one on your property next to your bedroom? The rental money will not cover your health expenses.

  48. DB Buster No, we didn't know says:

    5000 feet for the feds and 1000 feet for Yavapai, that could be a smoking gun that we have been looking and hoping for. Have you ever thought of not being selfish and putting that in writing, along with the facts to back it up, to someone who can do something with it???

    since I live in the canyon and know a little bit about the SINGLE tower being installed, allow me to remind you that our houses are not laid out like those in w sedona, we have lots of land and WOULD like to enjoy cell service like you do. Does everyone not remember that during the slide fire first responders had almost no service.

    I mean give it a break, ONE tower at the top of the switch backs that can help people and save lives and you’re stretching it by saying “You have a lot of towers going in Oak Creek Canyon.” simply not true.

  49. JeanJ says:

    Thank you DB BUSTER for the news of Yavapai County’s 1,000 foot buffer zone for cell towers.

    In checking this out, I found a SECTION 605 WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS FACILITIES in their Planning and Zoning Ordinance for the Unincorporated Areas of Yavapai County, Arizona. Page 193 lists restrictions with regard to NEW wireless towers and antennas. Located under APPLICATION REVIEW:

    No new wireless communication facilities within one thousand feet (1,000′) of any residences, including single and multiple family residences and residential facilities….

    No new wireless communication facilities shall be installed atop of….[listed are mountains, etc.]

    No new wireless communication facilities shall be installed in….[areas listed]

    No new wireless communication facilities shall be installed within unique or scenic areas/sites identified within community plan areas: for example, ….[areas listed]

    No new wireless communication facilities shall be installed in any area that may mar mountain views, or visually sensitive areas, particularly but not limited to the view of….[views listed]

    Meanwhile, the City of Sedona’s Consultant, CityScape, has chosen their eight “Potential Equipment Locations on City Property” by street names. When I complained to the Council about the arbitrary, self-serving rule that Sedona is Urban (requires twice as many wireless towers) instead of Rural, the letter I received from the City Manager went along with CityScape’s shitty (my opinion) analyses.

    According to the City Manager, “….we would rather have some control/influence/impact on where facilities are located than have none.” Si is the City just going to lie down and play dead as “control/influence/impact”? As DB BUSTER comments: “The City of Sedona has a [buffer] zone just big enough so that the tower doesn’t hit you when/if it falls.” I believe this opens residential areas up wide to cell towers.

    F.Y.I. Within incorporated Sedona 8 sites are proposed on City Property/Streets and 10 on Other Property. In addition, CityScape has already identified 16 existing wireless sites Inside the City and 7 Outside the City.

  50. Norma says:

    I need tounderstand. Can you confirm……
    federal 5,000 buffer
    yavapai 1.000 buffer
    city of sedona threw you under it killing us?
    come on folks….. city ??????? where is the health welfare and safety? Doyou have kids, grandkids?

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